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Balt

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Not sure why you guys keep taking Taj's bait over and over again.

As for the original point of this thread:

This White House is full of incompetent boobs. Things like this aren't supposed to be released without multiple levels of review. Either that's not happening, or everyone from the drafter to the multiple clearers are just dummies.
 
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Moonbeam

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Disparaging a terrible person & their sycophants doesn't seem all that inappropriate. I mean, people disparage the nazis all the time.

Thanks to liberalism, racism carries a social stigma in modern society. That's why racists do love to pretend they're merely race realists, and liberals are the Real racists for taking that away from them.
Yup, liberals drove it so far underground the it's now coming back on steroids. It's tough with a felony conviction to get an education, a good job and the will to improve your condition. Racists are the new blacks who live in a ghetto culture that produces ethical pigs for children. Burying them is shit really works. It buys us an endless cycle of suppression and rebirth because both sides care more to express their hate than to treat the sickness that causes all of this. One would assume, based on superficial reflection, that liberals with their greater compassion for victims than racists instead of creating their own category of other to look down on. Nobody treats others despicably who has not him or herself having experienced tons of it. Behind every monster is another monster. Everybody has to get in the last lick.
 

agent00f

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Yup, liberals drove it so far underground the it's now coming back on steroids. It's tough with a felony conviction to get an education, a good job and the will to improve your condition. Racists are the new blacks who live in a ghetto culture that produces ethical pigs for children. Burying them is shit really works. It buys us an endless cycle of suppression and rebirth because both sides care more to express their hate than to treat the sickness that causes all of this. One would assume, based on superficial reflection, that liberals with their greater compassion for victims than racists instead of creating their own category of other to look down on. Nobody treats others despicably who has not him or herself having experienced tons of it. Behind every monster is another monster. Everybody has to get in the last lick.

It can't be more obvious how your plan of compassion for racists worked out after emancipation. A minimally responsible person wouldn't want that on their hands, but religious zealots know that accepting responsibility isn't meant for them.
 

xthetenth

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I'd like to know which race it's being racist about calling Trump an Orangutan?

He's trying to claim that the act of comparing the president to any ape for any reason is racist, because it's not like there's a long history of comparing one particular race to apes and monkeys in general, presumably because he enjoyed comparing one particular president to apes or monkeys, but he really doesn't want to square that with his self-image of not being a bad person, and he still considers racism to be a bad person thing.
 

shortylickens

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The problem with calling Obama a monkey is he's not a monkey. He's an intelligent man who simply did things that not everyone loved.

The problem with calling Trump a monkey is it's accurate but unsafe. He's a fucking nazi psycho with psycho zealots who will threaten and extort and coerce and blackmail and bully anyone who dares stand up to him.
Obama NEVER had a following like that. The extreme conservative element in America tried to claim he had violent followers, but if you bothered to investigate all of those situations it turned out to be bullshit.

Regardless, the Monkey in Chief is our monkey because we elected him. And by "we" I mean 62 million versus 65 million but whatever, thats life.
 

trenchfoot

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It obviously has nothing to do with Tigger purging the State Department...and then leaving the positions unfilled.

Seems to me the Great Orange One doesn't want any kind'a smart smart-ass underling talking sass back at him so the only thing to do was to purge the ranks as a warning that to defy the wishes of the Boss, no matter how ridiculously incomprehensible and nonsensical he is and no matter how obviously corruptive and treasonous his actions are, he has the will of the people to do and say whatever he likes without the need to justify his actions, especially to those who have the knowledge and expertise to successfully challenge his authority.

Dumbing down America to make it great again.

Who'da thunk?
 

Perknose

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You're a perfect example of how a lot of conservativism is the use of intellectual dishonesty to avoid dealing with the cognitive dissonance between your idea of yourself as a non-terrible human and your prejudices and their effects.

^^^ So much this.
 
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agent00f

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You're a perfect example of how a lot of conservativism is the use of intellectual dishonesty to avoid dealing with the cognitive dissonance between your idea of yourself as a non-terrible human and your prejudices and their effects.

Just wanted to address this in particular for import's case. His basic premise is that because liberals say conservatives are racist for likening blacks to apes, it's also racist to liken the not-black president to an ape, which import insisted on no matter what. But unless you actually believe import's a literal imbecile incapable of grasping any simple concepts, which liberals do like to believe, concocting such a troll requires understanding of how racism functions to ensure the troll would work. To elaborate, imagine if a liberal (say yourself) made the same comment as a meta-joke, it would similarly need some awareness of what is racism and what isn't for the ironic effect to make sense. In sum, import knows how racism works to effectively troll with it. He's not avoiding anything, but rather the opposite by using that knowledge to attack better people with morals. In contrast he would never attack peers who liken blacks to apes.

Now I imagine a number of conservatives have also read all this, and I can't imagine they're all far too dumb to figure what import is doing. Yet they implicitly (and sometimes explicitly) support his cause because they stack rank the satisfaction of sticking it to non-racists above any principles, too.

To further drive home the point, here's a chance for them to comment on import's behavior in less than positive terms least everyone necessarily believes he's a standard-bearer for conservatism as race issues go. I expect they know I'm correct on this.
 
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xthetenth

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Just wanted to address this in particular for import's case. His basic premise is that because liberals say conservatives are racist for likening blacks to apes, it's also racist to liken the not-black president to an ape, which import insisted on no matter what. But unless you actually believe import's a literal imbecile incapable of grasping any simple concepts, which liberals do like to believe, concocting such a troll requires understanding of how racism functions to ensure the troll would work. To elaborate, imagine if a liberal (say yourself) made the same comment as a meta-joke, it would similarly need some awareness of what is racism and what isn't for the ironic effect to make sense. In sum, import knows how racism works to effectively troll with it. He's not avoiding anything, but rather the opposite by using that knowledge to attack better people with morals. In contrast he would never attack peers who liken blacks to apes.

Now I imagine a number of conservatives have also read all this, and I can't imagine they're all far too dumb to figure what import is doing. Yet they implicitly (and sometimes explicitly) support his cause because they stack rank the satisfaction of sticking it to non-racists above any principles, too.

To further drive home the point, here's a chance for them to comment on import's behavior in less than positive terms least everyone necessarily believes he's a standard-bearer for conservatism as race issues go. I expect they know I'm correct on this.

That may be the case. I'm approaching taj from the perspective of a different psychological model. He's not stupid, necessarily, but he's got some underlying story he tells himself about how the left is awful, and needs to be fought back however possible that he needs to fit things into. So the left is saying that comparing Obama to a monkey is racist, and being a racist is bad, but it's totally not because of Obama's race, which means that the left comparing the current president to a monkey is racist or they're a bunch of untrustworthy hypocrites trying to compel righty types into behaving in a certain way. The problem with this is that the jury rigged explanations that they tell themselves for how everything fits into the overarching story contradict each other. That's totally fine by them because questioning those contradictions would be totally missing the point of a psychological safety valve, but if you hammer them on the inherent contradictions in their worldview, they can't meaningfully answer or engage without threatening the illusion they've propped their sense of self up with. That's why I've been trying to pry at a good number of the righties here with questions like that and pressing them hard to answer. Basically I'm trying to see if I can cause them a big enough spike of dysphoria with their worldview that they can't hold it together. Even if it doesn't work, it's good fun, and I'm vaguely optimistic overall. Has Blue Max been sighted around these parts recently? He strikes me as probably the most likely candidate for being accurately represented by this model, so I hammered him on it first.

Basically I'm trying to ask questions that they cannot answer if they want to keep up the fiction to themselves that they are good people fighting back against those horrid libs.
 

agent00f

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That may be the case. I'm approaching taj from the perspective of a different psychological model. He's not stupid, necessarily, but he's got some underlying story he tells himself about how the left is awful, and needs to be fought back however possible that he needs to fit things into. So the left is saying that comparing Obama to a monkey is racist, and being a racist is bad, but it's totally not because of Obama's race, which means that the left comparing the current president to a monkey is racist or they're a bunch of untrustworthy hypocrites trying to compel righty types into behaving in a certain way. The problem with this is that the jury rigged explanations that they tell themselves for how everything fits into the overarching story contradict each other. That's totally fine by them because questioning those contradictions would be totally missing the point of a psychological safety valve, but if you hammer them on the inherent contradictions in their worldview, they can't meaningfully answer or engage without threatening the illusion they've propped their sense of self up with. That's why I've been trying to pry at a good number of the righties here with questions like that and pressing them hard to answer. Basically I'm trying to see if I can cause them a big enough spike of dysphoria with their worldview that they can't hold it together. Even if it doesn't work, it's good fun, and I'm vaguely optimistic overall. Has Blue Max been sighted around these parts recently? He strikes me as probably the most likely candidate for being accurately represented by this model, so I hammered him on it first.

Basically I'm trying to ask questions that they cannot answer if they want to keep up the fiction to themselves that they are good people fighting back against those horrid libs.

I'm more of the belief that if facts and reason ranks even moderately with someone, they wouldn't be very conservative in the first place. I mean, modern western society imparts a pretty liberal education for at least 12 years on kids, and if that plus more failed to teach much of the underlying process, then I wish post hoc educators the best of luck. Surely exceptions apply but statistically speaking it makes perfect sense that thinking professions and fields substantially correlate with political affiliation, eg ~5% of scientists identify as conservative.

Perhaps more so than this though, I primarily subscribe to the idea that humans evolved intelligence for self-preservation (ie self-interest), supporting arguments including: http://www.dan.sperber.fr/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/MercierSperberWhydohumansreason.pdf, which proposes that most human trait of sophisticated language came about to create arguments to further our personal cause. Ever since happening upon these concepts and viewing everyday life through that lens of people maximizing personal benefit, I've found internal motivations much easier to ascribe, with greater predictive accuracy than competing cognitive theories.

Also worth mentioning the good cop/bad cop routine according to that principle works due to the contrast in relative pain.
 
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