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Drank does not equal rape. I never said that. If you had fun. good for you. So did i. Most people do. But there are people who did not. Was not the issue of or blame on booze. It was the people who decided wrong.

SO was I raped, I don't remember consenting to her, I don't remember walking to her apartment.

BTW the 25% you are referring to was a study about sexual assault the survey defined it as any unwanted touching (anywhere), kissing (anywhere). Essentially an unwanted hug was an assault.
 

ALIVE

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SO was I raped, I don't remember consenting to her.

BTW the 25% you are referring to was a study about sexual assault the survey defined it as any unwanted touching (anywhere), kissing (anywhere). Essentially an unwanted hug was an assault.

if you are in usa
the law say rape is when a penis is used for penetration and by penetration is if you stick it 1 cm in.

so by this definition you are a rapist
 

ALIVE

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SO was I raped, I don't remember consenting to her, I don't remember walking to her apartment.

BTW the 25% you are referring to was a study about sexual assault the survey defined it as any unwanted touching (anywhere), kissing (anywhere). Essentially an unwanted hug was an assault.

the funny think is that if you assault a woman hit her and stick a dido in her holes you are going for sexual assault and not rape lol

the laws that they only have 1 purpose to destroy the social structure of the society and lead it in an end.
 
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SO was I raped, I don't remember consenting to her, I don't remember walking to her apartment.

BTW the 25% you are referring to was a study about sexual assault the survey defined it as any unwanted touching (anywhere), kissing (anywhere). Essentially an unwanted hug was an assault.

I only remember the EU study... So sorry.
And while responding to the other text ?
Oh, come on, are you admitting that you were raped or not ?
Because if that was not the case. Just no, stop.
If it is the case, you can either go to the police or have a serious talk with her...
 
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I only remember the EU study... So sorry.
And while responding to the other text ?
Oh, come on, are you admitting that you were raped or not ?
Because if that was not the case. Just no, stop.
If it is the case, you can either go to the police or have a serious talk with her...

Maybe I misunderstood your original post. Seemed to imply that a woman can't consent when drunk.
 

HamburgerBoy

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Glad it's working out so well for you, what with your incredibly low crime figures and all...

In many parts of the country they are about as low as anywhere else.

You confuse two things. A gun does not mess with your mind unless you are a megalomaniac. Alcohol does mess with your mind. As does all drugs. For example, there are people that claim that weed can make you schizo. And that is not true unless you already have an underlying condition that is triggered by the weed. The same goes for all drugs. And as with all drugs, even weed can cause changes in the brain when used very long time. It depends on the person however how these changes will manifest it self. Some people are permanently laid back. Others become hostile when not having smoked for some time.

When people turn aggressive when consuming alcohol, there is something wrong with them. When you drink alcohol and become drunk, you loose your boundaries and reason.
Some people are uptight, so they drink a little bit to become relaxed in a social situation. but the keyword is little here. Responsibility. You are responsible for your actions, even when you are drunk. There is no excuse.
If you have a problem, if that may be stress, anger, anxiety or a real mental disorder, you should be aware that alcohol might worsen your problem.

Look, i agree that in the west, we might consume too much alcohol too often. But we do that because we live in a high stress civilization. Hence the stress related diseases that are too common here.

And in a lot of muslim countries, other substances are used instead of alcohol. It all comes down to the same thing. Muslims are also human, they also need something to let go, to relax. But then again, there is a lot of anger and frustration. If i look at the middle east, i see an Ireland of the recent past where Catholics and Protestants where willing to hurt and even kill each other while believing in the same god but having a different interpretation. And using the religion for political reasons.
The countries that do well, are usually oil nations with a lot of wealth. Crime exists everywhere where poverty exists. Nature is constantly rolling dices. With humans, that means brain configuration.

Losing your boundaries is why people like to drink alcohol, that's pretty much an inherent property. For many people it's more a matter of unwinding, greater confidence, etc rather than going full angry-violent-drunk, but to blame an underlying condition when hundreds of thousands commit crimes every year under the influence of alcohol is underselling the damage it has on society. I'd argue that because drugs more directly cause a person to lose their mind than guns, that they are more damaging to society on the whole.
 
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Maybe I misunderstood your original post. Seemed to imply that a woman can't consent when drunk.

Of course she can but every woman is different, but you should be aware that she might not have wanted it for various reasons, being with you. Hence my text about a woman not drunk longing for ,for example you. It is the best. If she acts strange, you may want to reconsider about being with her( while being sober). I am just saying as advertisement sells sex, it is not a free pass for all to act according to ones desires. When she is drunk, you may never know for sure. If you know her for a very long time, and there is some spark between you and her and you both desire each other and are drunk. Then it is almost impossible to happen that she or you would accuse each other of rape. If you are strangers to each other, be care full. May it be just for diseases.
 
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In many parts of the country they are about as low as anywhere else.



Losing your boundaries is why people like to drink alcohol, that's pretty much an inherent property. For many people it's more a matter of unwinding, greater confidence, etc rather than going full angry-violent-drunk, but to blame an underlying condition when hundreds of thousands commit crimes every year under the influence of alcohol is underselling the damage it has on society. I'd argue that because drugs more directly cause a person to lose their mind than guns, that they are more damaging to society on the whole.

Losing boundaries, what does that mean. Some people can never lose boundaries. And yet they never commit crimes. Think about that. Why can some people drink and not harm while others drink a little and behave like scum ?
 

HamburgerBoy

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This is a ridiculously easily preventable cause of death.

Down to what degree? I agree that these kinds of impulsive, vengeful spree killers wouldn't be able to do much with a total gun ban. I agree that the number of fatalities involved in sudden, alcohol-fueled fights would decline a bit. I agree that more people would likely survive suicide attempts. I don't agree that you can bring the nation's murder rate anywhere near that of New Zealand or Switzerland by banning guns. You're talking about preventing a small number of gun-dependent homicides, as well as a large number of gun-dependent acts of self-defense. The main driving force behind our homicide rate is culture, and not "gun culture".
 

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Losing boundaries, what does that mean. Some people can never lose boundaries. And yet they never commit crimes. Think about that. Why can some people drink and not harm while others drink a little and behave like scum ?

we are humans thus finite that mean we have limits and that means we have a breaking point plain and simple. well people that never committed a crime they are lucky

in special forces they first think they do is they break you and then they build you, so if the very best of us can be broken that means all of us can break.

the presion in society is not equal spread. in school not all kids have hard time its more a few kids have hard time from all the kids while the majority has zero to none pressure.

the same will happen later in the adult life. some people call it luck they will have a smooth life until they die so sure they will never commit any crime and some will never have a break. you get a job and the company bankrupts its not your fault but it will fuck up your life you can end up loosing anything being even homeless for a while. so if you steal food to eat ti still makes you a criminal.

you do not control your life 100%
 

HamburgerBoy

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Losing boundaries, what does that mean. Some people can never lose boundaries. And yet they never commit crimes. Think about that. Why can some people drink and not harm while others drink a little and behave like scum ?

How about upbringing/lack of decent morality? You think every person that kills someone DUI or in a drunken bar fight has some mental affliction? That's besides the point anyways. Alcohol directly leads to violent behavior via inhibition of good judgment/self-restraint, and if no one consumed alcohol or other drugs with similar effects, you would see that kind of violence plummet. What makes alcohol sacred and not a gun, something which has negligible effect on the mental state of a person using one (as you admitted), and is routinely used not just for personal pleasure but for self-defense?
 

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Down to what degree? I agree that these kinds of impulsive, vengeful spree killers wouldn't be able to do much with a total gun ban. I agree that the number of fatalities involved in sudden, alcohol-fueled fights would decline a bit. I agree that more people would likely survive suicide attempts. I don't agree that you can bring the nation's murder rate anywhere near that of New Zealand or Switzerland by banning guns. You're talking about preventing a small number of gun-dependent homicides, as well as a large number of gun-dependent acts of self-defense. The main driving force behind our homicide rate is culture, and not "gun culture".

I didn't say to ban them or think we'd ever get our death rate so low. But it still remains a very preventable cause of death. Even with just better gun control I imagine you could probably save thousands a year.

And the thing with injury prevention program is you go after the culture. You go after the mindset. Remember 60 years ago no one wore a seat belt. Now nearly everyone does. It's not going to happen overnight but at this point anything is better than the nothing we're doing right now.
 

HamburgerBoy

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I didn't say to ban them or think we'd ever get our death rate so low. But it still remains a very preventable cause of death. Even with just better gun control I imagine you could probably save thousands a year.

And the thing with injury prevention program is you go after the culture. You go after the mindset. Remember 60 years ago no one wore a seat belt. Now nearly everyone does. It's not going to happen overnight but at this point anything is better than the nothing we're doing right now.

Without a ban, how do you propose to prevent guns from falling into people's hands? Low-capacity magazines? Banning only handguns? Keep in mind that preventing "thousands a year" (let's say 2,000) would still put our homicide rate far above Western Europe, East Asia, and the Arab world, and that's assuming whatever non-ban laws you're proposing would be effective.

With respect to education, it could do some good to reduce accidental firearm deaths (which make up 2% of all firearm deaths). I don't know how safety lessons are supposed to prevent gang warfare or sociopathic mass murderers.
 

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waggy, I already asked...but you didn't answer.

What kind of help for the mentally ill?

Who determines who needs said help...and what form will it be?

Who pays for this mental help?

Do we just warehouse the mentally ill in asylums like we used to do? If so, who pays for that care?

It's great to say, "We need to provide more help for the mentally ill," but it's never as simple as it sounds.


yeah WE the people have to. As others said if they need to be in a hospital then we do it. if someone can survive without it but needs care we need tohelp them.

As a society we have the wrong idea on mental illness. we stigmatize people that have it. we ignore them and don't give them the care they need.

Guns don't scare me. It's people who don't have that filter in there head that says "stop this is not a good idea".
 

madoka

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I didn't say to ban them or think we'd ever get our death rate so low. But it still remains a very preventable cause of death. Even with just better gun control I imagine you could probably save thousands a year.

Gun murders: 8,124 in 2014 (down from 8,454 in 2013, a record year in terms of gun sales)

Hospital deaths due to PREVENTABLE errors: 440,000 (now the third leading cause of death in the U.S.)

And yet you don't hear much about this difference. Just a bunch of sheeple and social justice warriors wanting to take away our Constitutional rights whenever a nut job strikes.
 

Ns1

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Ns1

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Because of idiots like you who want to fixate on guns instead of the easier, logical fix.

When's the last time you heard Oblama outraged over hospital errors?

I dunno, when was the last time a hospital error killed 13 people and injured 20 others in the span of 20 minutes?

And to be clear, I like guns.
 

LegendKiller

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Gun murders: 8,124 in 2014 (down from 8,454 in 2013, a record year in terms of gun sales)

Hospital deaths due to PREVENTABLE errors: 440,000 (now the third leading cause of death in the U.S.)

And yet you don't hear much about this difference. Just a bunch of sheeple and social justice warriors wanting to take away our Constitutional rights whenever a nut job strikes.
Then split out the gang killings and such and it is negligible.

But hey, we can't let real facts get in the way of gun grabbing SJWS.
 

madoka

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I dunno, when was the last time a hospital error killed 13 people and injured 20 others in the span of 20 minutes?

Maybe math and logic just isn't your forte. Hell, you can't even get the number of victims right.
 

madoka

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Then split out the gang killings and such and it is negligible.

But hey, we can't let real facts get in the way of gun grabbing SJWS.

Correct. It is estimated that of that murder rate, 80% is just criminals killing criminals.
 

LegendKiller

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I dunno, when was the last time a hospital error killed 13 people and injured 20 others in the span of 20 minutes?

And to be clear, I like guns.
When was the last time something killed 50x more people and the president commented on it.

You realize 50 people are killed, per hour, through those medical accidents. All day, every day.
 

LegendKiller

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Correct. It is estimated that of that murder rate, 80% is just criminals killing criminals.
So roughly 1700 are true innocents killed. That's about as many as the medical industry kills in a day and a half through accidents.


But this is a huge fucking problem we have to solve by eliminating the rights of millions and millions of people.
 
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