It was 13 last time I checked, thanks!
Once again, why are you guys trying to frame these as mutually exclusive problems/solutions?
Hell, you can't even get the number of victims right.
https://archive.moe/r9k/thread/22785073/#22785729
jesus christ..that thread. people telling him to do it and praising him after.
Yea, that was posted here yesterday but it appears that it wasn't locked and has grown since then. Crazy shit.....
I don't fear ISIS. I fear some nut job in America who is mad because he never kissed a girl.
Maybe leaving the thread open to try and identify some accomplices.
There are a lot of angry people in America!
Supposedly, this guy was pissed because he never had sex with a girl. Never had a girlfriend. His only friend was his overbearing mama.
IMO, part of this is because people have become so selfish with their lives. If you see someone whose having difficulty why don't you approach and try to offer some guidance?
It amazes me the reasons people come up with. IF you want to fuck someone go get a hooker. sure its illegal but at least nobody dies.
fuck how about you grow a personality and go meet someone? fuck i'm short and ugly and i get laid.
LOL! You look like your avatar, don't you? I do... and even I get laid!
I don't fear ISIS. I fear some nut job in America who is mad because he never kissed a girl.
I don't fear ISIS. I fear some nut job in America who is mad because he never kissed a girl.
You're missing the forest for the trees with all those questions.
This is a ridiculously easily preventable cause of death. Preventing death by diabetes or heart disease is hard. Many of those diseases aren't preventable if you catch the short end of the genetic stick. Many are diseases that are a natural part of aging. But guns....it's SO preventable. And therein lies the tragedy in all this.
If I were to show you a graph of how car related deaths are dropping and firearm related deaths are rising it'd drive the point home even further. We as a society decided death in a car was an unacceptable position so we DID something about it. We regulated and mandated safety standards, we pour money into injury prevention(wear your seatbelt, don't drink and drive, don't text and drive etc) and car related deaths are plummeting. In fact firearms related deaths have probably surpassed car related deaths in 2015.
The fact that you're trying to write off such a disturbing statistic is frankly pretty callous. Do you actually care that there are literally tens of thousands of people dying every year from a preventable cause?
because fo the location of isis??
is you lived in iraq or syria now you would be saying a different story.
they als were laughing bout the muslim problem.
people that think they can not be touched is also a part of the problem. how we can come in solution when someone believes it can not happen to them?
if we were not afraid of isis we were not going to bomb them. the only reason we bomb them is the point tht we try to ontrol them and not let them expand. solve something in the beginign before it becomes huge
and seriously, you fuckers are trying to compare medical ACCIDENTS to some douchebags murdering fuckloads of people?
peace out thread.
You should fear everything else in your life a fuckton more than that.
You lack the mental capacity to understand why people are comparing them.lol, the insanity is thick with these folks.
You lack the mental capacity to understand why people are comparing them.
Obama wanted to frame the discussion with incorrect comparisons, making the relative numbers seem extreme.
We are reframing that to show you guys that the numbers are not a crisis and, in fact, are more or less immaterial in the broader scope of what can happen to you.
Your lack of understanding of statistics and risk is the problem, not guns.
You should be far more afraid of getting hit by a drunk driver (or any driver for that matter), getting killed in a hospital accident, or eating poorly or not exercising than you should be about getting shot in a "mass shooting".
You make an absurd amount of patently false assumptions. I have absolutely 0 fear of getting shot in a mass shooting, hell, I don't even have a fear of getting shot in a single shooting. Doesn't even cross my mind. I own double digit firearms including "tactical" models and shoot regularly. I don't fear guns in the slightest.
You are only correct in one aspect, and that is the framing of the discussion. Of course "mass shootings" are an insignificant portion of "overall cause of death" or even "accidental death" at large; but that isn't the point at all.
The point is that one can have a different threshold for "unacceptable" when it comes to death by various means. The threshold for "unacceptable" for "mass shooting deaths" is significantly less than "motor vehicle accident deaths," etc to many people. This is because it is more complicated than "a death is a death." It has to do with risk/benefit.
Simply put, some people would like to reduce that ratio for firearms while others absolutely vehemently would not want any reduction in access to firearms even if it would reduce it.
I have no problems with understanding statistics and risk. Your problem is that you just don't really care about deaths from "mass shootings" given that they are such a low percentage of accidental deaths. Others do not share your view.
An extension of this view is capital punishment. Some people are comfortable saying "Well, if a few innocent people die rarely to punish the guilty, then so be it" while others would say "Not a single innocent person put to death would be acceptable."
Just because it isn't a problem TO YOU, doesn't mean it isn't a problem. It is a very easy argument to make that a first world country should not have "frequent" shooting sprees.
As I asked before, where would limitations on access stop?
How will you measure success?
What if success is not achieved?
How will you prevent politicians from doubling down?
Also, if somebody is mentally ill, but motivated, nothing will stop them. They will find a way to get a gun. Drugs have proven that.
So if the vast majority of firearm murders are committed by either criminals or gangs, you are perfectly fine limiting the rights of everybody else to save a thousand and a half lives.No one ever said it will be easy. Undoubtedly there will be measures that work, and those that don't, requiring adjustment as you go. I certainly do not have all the answers, but there are those who are in a far better position to craft relevant policy than I. Just because you can string together a few germane questions, doesn't mean something isn't worth attempting - this is part of the process for brainstorming about any issue.
So if the vast majority of firearm murders are committed by either criminals or gangs, you are perfectly fine limiting the rights of everybody else to save a thousand and a half lives.
Do you really think that is the best use of our Constitution?
It is far from logical.Yes, I do. Again, this comes down to risk/benefit. I'm certainly not suggesting guns need to be "taken away" entirely. That would be inane. But additional restrictions? That is only logical.