Statistics.
Obfuscation and misdirection through hyperbole without relativistic valuation of the problem (if any).
Statistics.WTF does that have to do with anything?
waggy, I already asked...but you didn't answer.
What kind of help for the mentally ill?
Who determines who needs said help...and what form will it be?
Who pays for this mental help?
Do we just warehouse the mentally ill in asylums like we used to do? If so, who pays for that care?
It's great to say, "We need to provide more help for the mentally ill," but it's never as simple as it sounds.
Some of them, yes. The degree to which we de-institutionalized was a bad idea. The State (we) does.
How many have been wiped out by diabetes, heart failure, lung cancer, dui, drug overdoses during that same period? All for poor personal freedom driven choices.
How many of those deaths were gang related? How many were drug related? How many were other crime related?
How many were true innocents killed by otherwise non criminal activity, such as mass shootings?
Your number is meaningless without understanding the context. That is ehy the ldtt buries you in such numbers, because it is a convenient tool to use against the unthinking and unknowing.
And how do you determine that? How can anybody be truly unbiased? Could you then have an uber liberal anti gun sheriff thst decides he doesn't want anybody to have guns and looks through decades of personal history to find a nit to disqualify? It already does happen in places.
Then how do you prevent the slippery slope of being able to expand classification of mental illness. After all, one man's freedom fighter is another man's insane terrorist.
Statistics.
Obfuscation and misdirection through hyperbole without relativistic valuation of the problem (if any).
Obviously, society would have to pay for it. Look, we're already paying for it indirectly by dealing with the fallout from these shootings. Police response, hospitalization of victims, personal loss and grief counseling, etc.
I'm starting to agree...
I think many of them instead end up in jail with mental problems, which isn't any better.
It was a feel good idea at the time! How kind of us to let them loose.
You're missing the forest for the trees with all those questions.
This is a ridiculously easily preventable cause of death. Preventing death by diabetes or heart disease is hard. Many of those diseases aren't preventable if you catch the short end of the genetic stick. Many are diseases that are a natural part of aging. But guns....it's SO preventable. And therein lies the tragedy in all this.
If I were to show you a graph of how car related deaths are dropping and firearm related deaths are rising it'd drive the point home even further. We as a society decided death in a car was an unacceptable position so we DID something about it. We regulated and mandated safety standards, we pour money into injury prevention(wear your seatbelt, don't drink and drive, don't text and drive etc) and car related deaths are plummeting. In fact firearms related deaths have probably surpassed car related deaths in 2015.
The fact that you're trying to write off such a disturbing statistic is frankly pretty callous. Do you actually care that there are literally tens of thousands of people dying every year from a preventable cause?
They aren't meaningless in the context of absolute numbers of deaths attributable to seemingly innocuous decisions we make every day.You mean what you did by asking a bunch of meaningless questions??
Everything on thst list is easily preventable. Everything.
Ban smoking. Add alcohol interlock to all cars. Ban McDonald's. Ban soda. Ban suntanning. Ban sex without condoms to prevent stds. Ban anything that can increase mortality, especially to others.
Imagining some of you sitting behind your keyboard, seething with rage from what another member has posted, brings me great joy on this beautiful fall afternoon :thumbsup:
They aren't meaningless in the context of absolute numbers of deaths attributable to seemingly innocuous decisions we make every day.
We are far more likely to die from our own stupid choices than any gun death as long as we don't engage in criminal activities.
Your understanding of relative risk is meaningless.
Such ignorance is why people get arrested for doing something that was commonplace 20 years ago but now carries the scarlet letterized and controlling name of "free range parenting".
I hear Prohibition and The War On Drugs were successful too.I'm willing to try. It beats doing nothing at all, which is what we're currently doing.
Everything on thst list is easily preventable. Everything.
Ban smoking. Add alcohol interlock to all cars. Ban McDonald's. Ban soda. Ban suntanning. Ban sex without condoms to prevent stds. Put speed and acceleration limiters into vehicles. Ban anything that can increase mortality, especially to others.
I hear Prohibition and The War On Drugs were successful too.
they are
for the mafia
for the drug lords
war has 2 sides and 1 will be victorious
saying that the war is victorious you are telling the truth. now why you think it was the other side winning thats your problem.
I hear Prohibition and The War On Drugs were successful too.
How many have been wiped out by diabetes, heart failure, lung cancer, dui, drug overdoses during that same period? All for poor personal freedom driven choices.
Let's hear your problem.
He is saying that a hypothetical war on guns would be just like the war on drugs. Whenever you ban something a black market always appears. Economics bitches.
I hear Prohibition and The War On Drugs were successful too.
No more than any of the other shit you can chalk up to statistical risk.Right... there is no problem. I forgot, you think these killings are just a normal occurrence in a modern first world society.
But then where does it stop? How do you measure success? What if it doesn't work the way you think it does and then this keeps happening, do you really think that politicians won't beat the drum to double down on the stupid and make an outright ban?And yet, no one here is calling for an outright ban on guns, so these comparisons are meaningless as well