*O'Reilly vs. Moore* right now!!!

[alchemize]

Reading the transcript:

On the "lie": pretty much a draw, but more in O's favor. Moore could have done better defending his assertions.

On removing a dictator: MM pretty much wins that one. O'Reilly could have better defended his position.

On afghanistan: MM gets pwned: "M: That?s why the Taliban are still killing our soldiers there", then, Taliban: "M: No, unless it is a threat to us." (how exactly would you puruse Osama without taking down the Taliban??) then on Hitler: "M: I wouldn?t have even allowed him to come to power." by saying "well I would have done WWI better". pah-lease.

On Saddam: MM gets pwned: "O: Look, if you were running he would still be sitting there. M: How do you know that?" well because you just said that you would have taken down Hitler right?

On "rising up": MM gets pwned: "O: You give the people some kind of self-determination, which they never would have had under Saddam?

M: Why didn?t they rise up?

O: Because they couldn?t, it was a Gestapo-led place where they got their heads cut off?

M: well that?s true in many countries throughout the world__"

On the "sacrifice a child": Stupid argument, draw. You can't argue about sacrifice to a pacifist.

Overall, I think both of them could have done a much better job defending their positions, and attacking the others.

My fair and balanced assessment

 

[imported_CADMaster]

I'll go with Alchemize's assessment.

However, in the 1960 presidential debate, Nichard Nixon clearly won on the radio whereas JFK smoked Nixon on television.

We'll see.

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

I'd have to say the "debate" was fairly even, but conducted at the level I would expect from a couple of rambunctious high-school sophomores. O'Reilly's constant interruption act makes them both sound foolish in places.

 

[Taggart]

^ the show is coming on right now

 

[CrazyHelloDeli]

Moore was owned.

 

[Zephyr106]

Originally posted by: HelloDeli
Moore was owned.

Further confirmation that liberals are the untermenschen of our time.

Zephyr

 

[bozack]

He is really really taking it easy on Affleck..it is almost funny

 

[Tab]

I hope someone recorded this :|

 

[OneOfTheseDays]

based on the transcript, it seems the debate was pretty even throughout. Moore had some good sticking points with the whole sacrificing kids issue, and O'reilly had his as well. O'Reilly actually made a great point, he sees the world one way and Moore sees it another. It is up to the American people to decide which one they want.

 

[Amused]

To tell you the truth, I have a lot more respect for Ben Afflack now. He seems very even headed, even though I disagree with him on a lot of topics.

Did anyone else get the idea he may run for office some day?

 

[Fingolfin269]

How could anyone 'boo' Affleck for his interview? That guy reminds me a lot of myself except he just leans a little in the opposite direction. There's nothing wrong with those of us who have feelings on both sides of the Democrat/Republican line.
*EDIT*
Sorry, I misread the subtitle of the thread. I thought it said 'Ben Affleck boo'

 

[Fingolfin269]

Originally posted by: DonVito
I'd have to say the "debate" was fairly even, but conducted at the level I would expect from a couple of rambunctious high-school sophomores. O'Reilly's constant interruption act makes them both sound foolish in places.

Yup, I'm watching this right now and it looks like a random selection of any two of us debating on live tv. I do wonder why a smart guy like Moore refuses to admit that the President didn't lie. Some of his examples of what is/is not a lie weren't exactly great responses.

But hey, at least more Republicans will go see his movie now. Wasn't that the real reason for him agreeing to appear anyway?

 

[Gaard]

Gee I never knew Bill "I'd-sacrifice-myself-but-not-my-child" O'Reilly was a chickenhawk also.

 

[Tab]

I actually thought Moore's responses werent too bad at all. I do agree though it was a pretty even debate.

 

[Schadenfroh]

oreilly said that the reason for the iraq invasion was to remove an evil dictatorship that killed thousands of his own people.


question to him, why did we not invade china to remove evil leaders? Remember Tiananmen square? Many of the young students beging for freedom struck down in their youth by their rulers. but no invasion or government change from the US.

 

[Turkish]

ROFL. O'Reilly got owned.

Moore: Will you send your children to Fallujah? Say "I'll send my children to Iraq to protect Fallujah".
O'Reilly: I can't say that!

 

[Riprorin]

Originally posted by: Sudheer Anne
based on the transcript, it seems the debate was pretty even throughout. Moore had some good sticking points with the whole sacrificing kids issue, and O'reilly had his as well. O'Reilly actually made a great point, he sees the world one way and Moore sees it another. It is up to the American people to decide which one they want.

Is Moore a parent? If not, I can see how he wouldn't understand O'Reilly's response.

 

[Gaard]

Originally posted by: Riprorin

Originally posted by: Sudheer Anne
based on the transcript, it seems the debate was pretty even throughout. Moore had some good sticking points with the whole sacrificing kids issue, and O'reilly had his as well. O'Reilly actually made a great point, he sees the world one way and Moore sees it another. It is up to the American people to decide which one they want.

Is Moore a parent? If not, I can see how he wouldn't understand O'Reilly's response.

Moore's a parent.

 

[LordMagnusKain]

Originally posted by: Riprorin

Originally posted by: Sudheer Anne
based on the transcript, it seems the debate was pretty even throughout. Moore had some good sticking points with the whole sacrificing kids issue, and O'reilly had his as well. O'Reilly actually made a great point, he sees the world one way and Moore sees it another. It is up to the American people to decide which one they want.

Is Moore a parent? If not, I can see how he wouldn't understand O'Reilly's response.

he's an ignorant self-important ass.

the real question is "would you allow your adult child to sacrifice himself for this cause" to which I?m sure o'rilly would say "i wouldn't try to stop him from doing his duty to the nation"

 

[Phokus]

I think someone may be recording this and posting it to the somethingawful.com forums. I will give it to you guys if they do.

 

[andrewjm]

o'reilly got owned.... moore was perfect


o'reilly wouldnt send his kids to get killed, yet wants other parents to send theirs... bah he should die

 

[conjur]

Maybe because I've read the transcript first but that interview seemed scripted.

It just seemed fake...on both sides.

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: LordMagnusKain
he's an ignorant self-important ass.

the real question is "would you allow your adult child to sacrifice himself for this cause" to which I?m sure o'rilly would say "i wouldn't try to stop him from doing his duty to the nation"

O'Reilly dodged the question, though, didn't he? He never did answer that yes or no.

 

[digitalsm]

Originally posted by: conjur
Maybe because I've read the transcript first but that interview seemed scripted.

It just seemed fake...on both sides.

I think it showed america what both really are and that is pompus blowhards who like to hear themselves speak. I think most of us already knew that though.

 

[Genesys]

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: Fingolfin269

Originally posted by: conjur
You and I realize that but O'Reilly touts himself as an independent and offering a "fair and balanced" look at issues. He's managed to snooker hundreds of thousands of viewers in the same vein as has Hannity and Limbaugh. He's just a bit more subtle about it.

I agree with you on Limbaugh but disagree to an extent with Hannity (tv show). Hannity is right wing as hell but at least he has Colmes there to keep things from getting too crazy on the tv show. I have to be honest though, watching someone do a straight down the middle news program would bore me to death. The extremist angles are a lot more entertaining.

Hannity is WORSE than Limbaugh. Hannity grabs onto a talking point (350 times raised taxes, supported 50-cent/gallon gas tax, blah blah blah) and just won't...let...go!

And Colmes is there as scenery. He might as well be a cardboard cut-out.

are you supposed to let the talking points pass when someone gets tired of hearing them? that IS why they are talking points after all, to educate the ignorant.