Originally posted by: Amused
Funny how you see my opinion as oppression. Shows just how much people in comfortable first world countries have no idea what real oppression is like.
Originally posted by: SunnyD
Originally posted by: mb
Originally posted by: Crono
Originally posted by: mb
Originally posted by: Crono
Originally posted by: Crusty
So they compared it only on nutritional value? What about taste or other chemicals found?
That's what I'm wondering. No one I know buys organic food for increased nutritional value, but for better taste and no pesticides.
They taste the same and you should always rinse fruit/veggies before eating anyway.
No, organic varieties taste better (not always, of course), and rinsing doesn't remove all the chemicals.
I sure as hell can't taste the difference. Not worth the 100 to 300% mark up. And I doubt there's enough chemicals to worry about.
This has been disproven time and again. You're shopping at the wrong stores.
And while there may not be enough chemicals in a single serving, add that up over the course of a few years of meals. Yeah - some chemicals you ingest your body accumulates.
Originally posted by: Aharami
Originally posted by: Amused
Funny how you see my opinion as oppression. Shows just how much people in comfortable first world countries have no idea what real oppression is like.
and you know what real oppression is like?
Originally posted by: surfsatwerk
Originally posted by: Amused
Originally posted by: surfsatwerk
Originally posted by: Amused
Originally posted by: Crono
Originally posted by: Amused
I can say, without a doubt, that modern farming has had only a positive effect on my life... and yours, even though you'd never admit it.
We output more food than we actually consume or give away in the United States. Switching partly to organic farming wouldn't cause the nation to starve. I can see pesticides making economic sense in 3rd world countries, where in the short term growing enough food trumps environmental issues that would arise later. There are techniques for pest control that do not require the use of pesticides, and whenever it is viable to do so, I think it is preferable to use organic and sustainable farming methods.
It took a long time to fully see the damage that pesticides like DDT have done (and continue to do, even now).
DDT wasn't nearly as harmful as it was made out to be. Silent Spring was a fraud and the hysteria snowballed from there. In reality, the banning of DDT has cost tens if not hundreds of millions of lives lost to malaria.
You're a nutjob.
No, the author of Silent Spring was a nutjob. Check it out. The science behind her book is totally flawed.
I talked to one of the professors I work with over lunch, he specializes in corn genetics. And he did say that in his opinion Silent Spring was never intended as a work of pure science like a paper he would publish in peer reviewed literature. Rather it was a wake up call piece of literature like Upton Sinclair's The Jungle. In his opinion, most of the blacklash against the book was sponsored by chemical companies concerned about protecting their profits, and the thesis proposed by the book is generally accepted by the scientific community.
Originally posted by: Fayd
Originally posted by: SunnyD
Originally posted by: mb
Originally posted by: Crono
Originally posted by: mb
Originally posted by: Crono
Originally posted by: Crusty
So they compared it only on nutritional value? What about taste or other chemicals found?
That's what I'm wondering. No one I know buys organic food for increased nutritional value, but for better taste and no pesticides.
They taste the same and you should always rinse fruit/veggies before eating anyway.
No, organic varieties taste better (not always, of course), and rinsing doesn't remove all the chemicals.
I sure as hell can't taste the difference. Not worth the 100 to 300% mark up. And I doubt there's enough chemicals to worry about.
This has been disproven time and again. You're shopping at the wrong stores.
And while there may not be enough chemicals in a single serving, add that up over the course of a few years of meals. Yeah - some chemicals you ingest your body accumulates.
"organic" avocados at my local stores are generally 2x the price of other avocados.
Originally posted by: Aharami
Originally posted by: Amused
Funny how you see my opinion as oppression. Shows just how much people in comfortable first world countries have no idea what real oppression is like.
and you know what real oppression is like?
Originally posted by: Amused
Originally posted by: Aharami
Originally posted by: Amused
Funny how you see my opinion as oppression. Shows just how much people in comfortable first world countries have no idea what real oppression is like.
and you know what real oppression is like?
I know enough to know REAL oppression is NOT people telling me I'm an idiot for irrational fears and buying into fearmongering.
Originally posted by: Aharami
Originally posted by: Amused
Originally posted by: Aharami
Originally posted by: Amused
Funny how you see my opinion as oppression. Shows just how much people in comfortable first world countries have no idea what real oppression is like.
and you know what real oppression is like?
I know enough to know REAL oppression is NOT people telling me I'm an idiot for irrational fears and buying into fearmongering.
who in this thread tried to bully you into buying organic food? if you dont like it, dont buy it. i happen to think organic tastes better, but I dont buy it because I dont want to pay for it. I have many friends who buy organic only but none of them have tried to convert me with your so called fear mongering.
Also I didnt say your opinion is oppression. I just found it funny that for someone who supports individuals' right to choose would be so up in arms about what other people decide to buy with their own money.
Originally posted by: 0roo0roo
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Bullshit!_episodes#Season_7:_2009
7-06 Organic Food July 30, 2009 Better nutrients, a smaller environmental impact, less harmful pesticides, better taste - all are cited as reasons that Organic Food is better than non-organic food. Penn and Teller, with the help of some stellar experts, bash this and other bullshit about the food based on faith.
rather timely
Originally posted by: JeffreyLebowski
Originally posted by: lxskllr
Originally posted by: zoiks
I disagree. At least for meats, the chicken that I purchase (organic/free range) are so much more tastier than the safeway variety.
In the case of meat, the organic animals are usually treated better than they are from corporate farms.
OH NOES!!! Really, honestly, why the hell do you care how an animal was treated if you still support it being killed so you can eat it. Kind of hypocritical don't ya think?
"Oh, I care about you and your well being." Lights up grill "Now time to humanely kill you so I can eat your tasty flesh"
Originally posted by: DrPizza
Originally posted by: 0roo0roo
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Bullshit!_episodes#Season_7:_2009
7-06 Organic Food July 30, 2009 Better nutrients, a smaller environmental impact, less harmful pesticides, better taste - all are cited as reasons that Organic Food is better than non-organic food. Penn and Teller, with the help of some stellar experts, bash this and other bullshit about the food based on faith.
rather timely
There a place online to watch this episode? Hulu or something?
Originally posted by: 0roo0roo
Originally posted by: DrPizza
Originally posted by: 0roo0roo
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Bullshit!_episodes#Season_7:_2009
7-06 Organic Food July 30, 2009 Better nutrients, a smaller environmental impact, less harmful pesticides, better taste - all are cited as reasons that Organic Food is better than non-organic food. Penn and Teller, with the help of some stellar experts, bash this and other bullshit about the food based on faith.
rather timely
There a place online to watch this episode? Hulu or something?
torrent *ahem*
and yea this episdoe isnt streamable yet ..i tried a search...could only find the previous eps for some reason. but its on the torrents...
Originally posted by: Alone
Those who eat Organic produce are the same people who smear hand sanitizer all over everything.
Idiots. :roll:
Originally posted by: JeffreyLebowski
Originally posted by: lxskllr
Originally posted by: zoiks
I disagree. At least for meats, the chicken that I purchase (organic/free range) are so much more tastier than the safeway variety.
In the case of meat, the organic animals are usually treated better than they are from corporate farms.
OH NOES!!! Really, honestly, why the hell do you care how an animal was treated if you still support it being killed so you can eat it. Kind of hypocritical don't ya think?
"Oh, I care about you and your well being." Lights up grill "Now time to humanely kill you so I can eat your tasty flesh"
Originally posted by: KeithTalent
Keep generalizing, it makes you look very intelligent. :thumbsup:
KT
Originally posted by: Alone
Originally posted by: KeithTalent
Keep generalizing, it makes you look very intelligent. :thumbsup:
KT
I only have to be right more than 50% of the time.
Originally posted by: JeffreyLebowski
OH NOES!!! Really, honestly, why the hell do you care how an animal was treated if you still support it being killed so you can eat it. Kind of hypocritical don't ya think?
"Oh, I care about you and your well being." Lights up grill "Now time to humanely kill you so I can eat your tasty flesh"
Originally posted by: Alone
Originally posted by: JeffreyLebowski
OH NOES!!! Really, honestly, why the hell do you care how an animal was treated if you still support it being killed so you can eat it. Kind of hypocritical don't ya think?
"Oh, I care about you and your well being." Lights up grill "Now time to humanely kill you so I can eat your tasty flesh"
Ok, you're definitely an idiot, and I think even KT would agree with me.
Originally posted by: DrPizza
More bullshit. There is no incentive for corporate farms to abuse their animals. In fact, abusing animals hurts their bottom line. The happier and more comfortable the animals are, the better they put on weight. That equals greater profits. Furthermore, there are idiots proposing laws that are actually detrimental to animal health, simply because these idiots "think" that what they are proposing is correct. Unfortunately, their proposals are often not based on fact, just based on incorrect gut instinct. Likewise, a lot of people trust their gut instincts in deciding what constitutes abuse and what doesn't.
Originally posted by: KeithTalent
Originally posted by: Alone
Those who eat Organic produce are the same people who smear hand sanitizer all over everything.
Idiots. :roll:
I eat a lot of organic produce and some other items, but would not touch that sanitizer crap with a ten foot pole, nor would I use "anti-bacterial" soap.
Keep generalizing, it makes you look very intelligent. :thumbsup:
KT
Originally posted by: zinfamous
Originally posted by: Crono
Originally posted by: Crusty
So they compared it only on nutritional value? What about taste or other chemicals found?
That's what I'm wondering. No one I know buys organic food for increased nutritional value, but for better taste and no pesticides.
yup. never had anything to do with nutrition...so what's the point of study?
also, organic means a variety of things. Not simply how the food is produced, but very much how it is transported. what is the actual cost based on distance from farm/fuel used in transport/amount produced/etc to consumer.
"Organic" is a very nebulous description these days.