Originally posted by: charrison
Originally posted by: Engineer
Originally posted by: charrison
Originally posted by: Engineer
Originally posted by: zendari
Originally posted by: dmcowen674
I didn't say that and you are not answering the questions, why am I not surprised?
What do you think is excessive profit?
There is no such thing.
Ah, so you don't think the concept of "gouging" exsists? It must be nice to live in your world.
It is not gouging if someone is willing to pay for a product at an agreeupon price. However exessive profits per unit will lead to lower overall revenues.
Do you have an alternative to "gas" to place in your car? I don't know about you, but I don't have a choice as to what goes into my car. Last I heard, water didn't work. I don't "agree" to pay gouged prices, I have no choice (other than to not drive, and that negates working for most of us, now doesn't it?).
But you do have options, you just dont like them.
First have many vendors to buy gas from. You can even look up the location of cheapest gas now easily now, ensuring that you get the best price for this commodity. You can trade your vehicle for a more fuel effecient one. THink of how we could screw the oil companies if we all rode motocycles. You could probably even carpool. DC has an improtu carpool system called the slugline, there is no reason why such a system could not exist in every major city.
Originally posted by: charrison
Originally posted by: Engineer
Originally posted by: zendari
Originally posted by: Engineer
Do you have an alternative to "gas" to place in your car? I don't know about you, but I don't have a choice as to what goes into my car. Last I heard, water didn't work. I don't "agree" to pay gouged prices, I have no choice (other than to not drive, and that negates working for most of us, now doesn't it?).
Try alternative methods of transportation.
And if none go the 17 mile distance to my work? One of these days son, you'll move out of mommy and daddy's house and start paying your own bills. You'll learn really quick that "gouging", "excess profit", and "corporate greed" don't help you one bit (unless you're a high ranking official within one of those corporations or own large amounts of their stock, which most people do not own "large amounts" of stock).
lets see we have an engineer who probably makes no less than $40/hour complaining about using $2.50 on gas to get too and from work.
Originally posted by: Engineer
Originally posted by: charrison
Originally posted by: Engineer
Originally posted by: charrison
Originally posted by: Engineer
Originally posted by: zendari
Originally posted by: dmcowen674
I didn't say that and you are not answering the questions, why am I not surprised?
What do you think is excessive profit?
There is no such thing.
Ah, so you don't think the concept of "gouging" exsists? It must be nice to live in your world.
It is not gouging if someone is willing to pay for a product at an agreeupon price. However exessive profits per unit will lead to lower overall revenues.
Do you have an alternative to "gas" to place in your car? I don't know about you, but I don't have a choice as to what goes into my car. Last I heard, water didn't work. I don't "agree" to pay gouged prices, I have no choice (other than to not drive, and that negates working for most of us, now doesn't it?).
But you do have options, you just dont like them.
First have many vendors to buy gas from. You can even look up the location of cheapest gas now easily now, ensuring that you get the best price for this commodity. You can trade your vehicle for a more fuel effecient one. THink of how we could screw the oil companies if we all rode motocycles. You could probably even carpool. DC has an improtu carpool system called the slugline, there is no reason why such a system could not exist in every major city.
Have you not noticed that when one station raises the prices even a nickel, that they all follow within an hour? Maybe nobody from my city goes to where I work at 5:00 am or 4:00 am? Maybe my wife calls in the middle of the day and I have to go home because the kids are sick? I don't have a choice but to purchase the "gouged" gas that we have. Nor do you.
Originally posted by: Engineer
Originally posted by: charrison
Originally posted by: Engineer
Originally posted by: zendari
Originally posted by: Engineer
Do you have an alternative to "gas" to place in your car? I don't know about you, but I don't have a choice as to what goes into my car. Last I heard, water didn't work. I don't "agree" to pay gouged prices, I have no choice (other than to not drive, and that negates working for most of us, now doesn't it?).
Try alternative methods of transportation.
And if none go the 17 mile distance to my work? One of these days son, you'll move out of mommy and daddy's house and start paying your own bills. You'll learn really quick that "gouging", "excess profit", and "corporate greed" don't help you one bit (unless you're a high ranking official within one of those corporations or own large amounts of their stock, which most people do not own "large amounts" of stock).
lets see we have an engineer who probably makes no less than $40/hour complaining about using $2.50 on gas to get too and from work.
I do make less than $40 per hour, and that's not a concern of anyone, including you. We have millionairs complaing about the same gas prices? I have the full constitutional right to complain, thank you very much. Gas/oil prices have been "speculative" gouged for several years, period, and a big portion was created by the gold ole Bush network's excellent adventure in the ME.
There will be a point, as the price rises, that the general economy will be hurt. On a good note, maybe it will be too fvcking expensive to "ship" products from Mexico and other countries and cheaper to keep them here close to the consumer base.
I live on my own and pay my own bills. I lowered my gas bill by buying a car that gets 40+ mpg and by lowering my commute time to a 5 minute drive. Besides these companies make about an 8% profit margin, not 32% as was falsely claimed. I filled up 3 times in July for a total of $87.63.Originally posted by: Engineer
And if none go the 17 mile distance to my work? One of these days son, you'll move out of mommy and daddy's house and start paying your own bills. You'll learn really quick that "gouging", "excess profit", and "corporate greed" don't help you one bit (unless you're a high ranking official within one of those corporations or own large amounts of their stock, which most people do not own "large amounts" of stock).
Originally posted by: charrison
Originally posted by: Engineer
Originally posted by: charrison
Originally posted by: Engineer
Originally posted by: charrison
Originally posted by: Engineer
Originally posted by: zendari
Originally posted by: dmcowen674
I didn't say that and you are not answering the questions, why am I not surprised?
What do you think is excessive profit?
There is no such thing.
Ah, so you don't think the concept of "gouging" exsists? It must be nice to live in your world.
It is not gouging if someone is willing to pay for a product at an agreeupon price. However exessive profits per unit will lead to lower overall revenues.
Do you have an alternative to "gas" to place in your car? I don't know about you, but I don't have a choice as to what goes into my car. Last I heard, water didn't work. I don't "agree" to pay gouged prices, I have no choice (other than to not drive, and that negates working for most of us, now doesn't it?).
But you do have options, you just dont like them.
First have many vendors to buy gas from. You can even look up the location of cheapest gas now easily now, ensuring that you get the best price for this commodity. You can trade your vehicle for a more fuel effecient one. THink of how we could screw the oil companies if we all rode motocycles. You could probably even carpool. DC has an improtu carpool system called the slugline, there is no reason why such a system could not exist in every major city.
Have you not noticed that when one station raises the prices even a nickel, that they all follow within an hour? Maybe nobody from my city goes to where I work at 5:00 am or 4:00 am? Maybe my wife calls in the middle of the day and I have to go home because the kids are sick? I don't have a choice but to purchase the "gouged" gas that we have. Nor do you.
Ever notice that the same thing hapens when gas prices go down. Howver no one complains about that, unless of course they fill up before prices drop.
I dont feel that I am being gouged at the pump. Yes gas prices are high, but we are not being gouged.
Originally posted by: zendari
I live on my own and pay my own bills. I lowered my gas bill by buying a car that gets 40+ mpg and by lowering my commute time to a 5 minute drive. Besides these companies make about an 8% profit margin, not 32% as was falsely claimed.Originally posted by: Engineer
And if none go the 17 mile distance to my work? One of these days son, you'll move out of mommy and daddy's house and start paying your own bills. You'll learn really quick that "gouging", "excess profit", and "corporate greed" don't help you one bit (unless you're a high ranking official within one of those corporations or own large amounts of their stock, which most people do not own "large amounts" of stock).
If 8% is goiging I wonder what level of profitability is not.
Originally posted by: Engineer
Originally posted by: charrison
Originally posted by: Engineer
Originally posted by: charrison
Originally posted by: Engineer
Originally posted by: charrison
Originally posted by: Engineer
Originally posted by: zendari
Originally posted by: dmcowen674
I didn't say that and you are not answering the questions, why am I not surprised?
What do you think is excessive profit?
There is no such thing.
Ah, so you don't think the concept of "gouging" exsists? It must be nice to live in your world.
It is not gouging if someone is willing to pay for a product at an agreeupon price. However exessive profits per unit will lead to lower overall revenues.
Do you have an alternative to "gas" to place in your car? I don't know about you, but I don't have a choice as to what goes into my car. Last I heard, water didn't work. I don't "agree" to pay gouged prices, I have no choice (other than to not drive, and that negates working for most of us, now doesn't it?).
But you do have options, you just dont like them.
First have many vendors to buy gas from. You can even look up the location of cheapest gas now easily now, ensuring that you get the best price for this commodity. You can trade your vehicle for a more fuel effecient one. THink of how we could screw the oil companies if we all rode motocycles. You could probably even carpool. DC has an improtu carpool system called the slugline, there is no reason why such a system could not exist in every major city.
Have you not noticed that when one station raises the prices even a nickel, that they all follow within an hour? Maybe nobody from my city goes to where I work at 5:00 am or 4:00 am? Maybe my wife calls in the middle of the day and I have to go home because the kids are sick? I don't have a choice but to purchase the "gouged" gas that we have. Nor do you.
Ever notice that the same thing hapens when gas prices go down. Howver no one complains about that, unless of course they fill up before prices drop.
I dont feel that I am being gouged at the pump. Yes gas prices are high, but we are not being gouged.
Do you think that gas prices "fall" as quicky as they rise? Do you think that the gas in the tank suddenly became $0.20 more expensive because oil/gas futures (some at 2008 right now) went up? Big oil and the current administration that supports it are gouging America, and most of us don't have much of a choice but to buy it (and not drive, which I do very little of out of working).
Originally posted by: charrison
Originally posted by: Engineer
Originally posted by: zendari
Originally posted by: Engineer
Do you have an alternative to "gas" to place in your car? I don't know about you, but I don't have a choice as to what goes into my car. Last I heard, water didn't work. I don't "agree" to pay gouged prices, I have no choice (other than to not drive, and that negates working for most of us, now doesn't it?).
Try alternative methods of transportation.
And if none go the 17 mile distance to my work? One of these days son, you'll move out of mommy and daddy's house and start paying your own bills. You'll learn really quick that "gouging", "excess profit", and "corporate greed" don't help you one bit (unless you're a high ranking official within one of those corporations or own large amounts of their stock, which most people do not own "large amounts" of stock).
lets see we have an engineer who probably makes no less than $40/hour complaining about using $2.50 on gas to get too and from work.
Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Originally posted by: charrison
Originally posted by: Engineer
Originally posted by: zendari
Originally posted by: Engineer
Do you have an alternative to "gas" to place in your car? I don't know about you, but I don't have a choice as to what goes into my car. Last I heard, water didn't work. I don't "agree" to pay gouged prices, I have no choice (other than to not drive, and that negates working for most of us, now doesn't it?).
Try alternative methods of transportation.
And if none go the 17 mile distance to my work? One of these days son, you'll move out of mommy and daddy's house and start paying your own bills. You'll learn really quick that "gouging", "excess profit", and "corporate greed" don't help you one bit (unless you're a high ranking official within one of those corporations or own large amounts of their stock, which most people do not own "large amounts" of stock).
lets see we have an engineer who probably makes no less than $40/hour complaining about using $2.50 on gas to get too and from work.
for the rich.
Lucky to be just getting barely over $20 hr. If I managed to get onboard as a full time employee it would drop to under $20 hr because they pay benefits.
Originally posted by: charrison
Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Originally posted by: charrison
Originally posted by: Engineer
Originally posted by: zendari
Originally posted by: Engineer
Do you have an alternative to "gas" to place in your car? I don't know about you, but I don't have a choice as to what goes into my car. Last I heard, water didn't work. I don't "agree" to pay gouged prices, I have no choice (other than to not drive, and that negates working for most of us, now doesn't it?).
Try alternative methods of transportation.
And if none go the 17 mile distance to my work? One of these days son, you'll move out of mommy and daddy's house and start paying your own bills. You'll learn really quick that "gouging", "excess profit", and "corporate greed" don't help you one bit (unless you're a high ranking official within one of those corporations or own large amounts of their stock, which most people do not own "large amounts" of stock).
lets see we have an engineer who probably makes no less than $40/hour complaining about using $2.50 on gas to get too and from work.
for the rich.
Lucky to be just getting barely over $20 hr. If I managed to get onboard as a full time employee it would drop to under $20 hr because they pay benefits.
If he was making $5/hour his argument would be more compelling, but he has the means to do something about his gas consumption.
Originally posted by: Engineer
And everyone can't run out and buy a 40mpg car. Many people make it from paycheck to paycheck in this country, whether anyone wants to admit it or not. It might be their own fault, but regardless, it's a reality. And if you think that they can simply go into more debt. to get that 40mpg car, you might want to look at the debt load that many Americans now carry, which is partially why the economy has remained strong as they buy everything on credit.
Oh, and everyone can't afford to "move" just to lower a commute. Renting a new place isn't an option (as in your case) for many people. More expensive to move, in most cases, than just to suffer through the gas gouges.
Originally posted by: Engineer
Originally posted by: charrison
Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Originally posted by: charrison
Originally posted by: Engineer
Originally posted by: zendari
Originally posted by: Engineer
Do you have an alternative to "gas" to place in your car? I don't know about you, but I don't have a choice as to what goes into my car. Last I heard, water didn't work. I don't "agree" to pay gouged prices, I have no choice (other than to not drive, and that negates working for most of us, now doesn't it?).
Try alternative methods of transportation.
And if none go the 17 mile distance to my work? One of these days son, you'll move out of mommy and daddy's house and start paying your own bills. You'll learn really quick that "gouging", "excess profit", and "corporate greed" don't help you one bit (unless you're a high ranking official within one of those corporations or own large amounts of their stock, which most people do not own "large amounts" of stock).
lets see we have an engineer who probably makes no less than $40/hour complaining about using $2.50 on gas to get too and from work.
for the rich.
Lucky to be just getting barely over $20 hr. If I managed to get onboard as a full time employee it would drop to under $20 hr because they pay benefits.
If he was making $5/hour his argument would be more compelling, but he has the means to do something about his gas consumption.
Maybe I'm arguing for others who don't have the means to change? Everyone isn't in my shoes, but I guess folks like you and zendari, everything is rosy. Ah hell, who cares. The old "let them eat cake" comes to mind on this one.
Oh, and I don't have a desire to pony up the money for a new car. My car isn't old and gets 30mpg on the highway and averages 24-25 overall to my work commute. If you don't care to pay, then fine, but I have the right to complain and I use it.
Originally posted by: charrison
While you car does not do bad for its mpg, you could still get a car with better mpg easily. You consuming less gas would help everyone by pushing demand lower. But of course all you will do is complain, which of course is right. BUt we also know actions speak louder than words.
Originally posted by: zendari
Originally posted by: Engineer
And everyone can't run out and buy a 40mpg car. Many people make it from paycheck to paycheck in this country, whether anyone wants to admit it or not. It might be their own fault, but regardless, it's a reality. And if you think that they can simply go into more debt. to get that 40mpg car, you might want to look at the debt load that many Americans now carry, which is partially why the economy has remained strong as they buy everything on credit.
Oh, and everyone can't afford to "move" just to lower a commute. Renting a new place isn't an option (as in your case) for many people. More expensive to move, in most cases, than just to suffer through the gas gouges.
A brand new Honda Civic gets 44 mpg highway for $13000. A used one will be similarly cheap. It's among the cheapest AND the most fuel efficent of cars. What kind of cars are these people driving?
Originally posted by: catnap1972
Originally posted by: zendari
Originally posted by: Engineer
And everyone can't run out and buy a 40mpg car. Many people make it from paycheck to paycheck in this country, whether anyone wants to admit it or not. It might be their own fault, but regardless, it's a reality. And if you think that they can simply go into more debt. to get that 40mpg car, you might want to look at the debt load that many Americans now carry, which is partially why the economy has remained strong as they buy everything on credit.
Oh, and everyone can't afford to "move" just to lower a commute. Renting a new place isn't an option (as in your case) for many people. More expensive to move, in most cases, than just to suffer through the gas gouges.
A brand new Honda Civic gets 44 mpg highway for $13000. A used one will be similarly cheap. It's among the cheapest AND the most fuel efficent of cars. What kind of cars are these people driving?
Well sheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeet Vern...we'll just go out into the backyard behind the woodshed and do sum diggin. Should be able to find 13 thou EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEASILY. Money tree should be sprouting any day as well!
Yessum boys...we be livin in the lap of luxury!
Now if you'll excuse me, I gots to go out and polish the yacht with automatic transmission!
Originally posted by: zendari
Originally posted by: Engineer
And everyone can't run out and buy a 40mpg car. Many people make it from paycheck to paycheck in this country, whether anyone wants to admit it or not. It might be their own fault, but regardless, it's a reality. And if you think that they can simply go into more debt. to get that 40mpg car, you might want to look at the debt load that many Americans now carry, which is partially why the economy has remained strong as they buy everything on credit.
Oh, and everyone can't afford to "move" just to lower a commute. Renting a new place isn't an option (as in your case) for many people. More expensive to move, in most cases, than just to suffer through the gas gouges.
A brand new Honda Civic gets 44 mpg highway for $13000. A used one will be similarly cheap. It's among the cheapest AND the most fuel efficent of cars. What kind of cars are these people driving?
Originally posted by: zendari
Originally posted by: charrison
While you car does not do bad for its mpg, you could still get a car with better mpg easily. You consuming less gas would help everyone by pushing demand lower. But of course all you will do is complain, which of course is right. BUt we also know actions speak louder than words.
:thumbsup: I wonder how many of these gas whiners drive automatic transmission.
Originally posted by: alent1234
a lot of people bought SUV's in the latest GM scam/sale because they thought they were saving money. of course GM's resale value is worse than horrible so they are stuck driving gas guzzlers they can't get rid of.
Originally posted by: Engineer
Originally posted by: zendari
Originally posted by: charrison
While you car does not do bad for its mpg, you could still get a car with better mpg easily. You consuming less gas would help everyone by pushing demand lower. But of course all you will do is complain, which of course is right. BUt we also know actions speak louder than words.
:thumbsup: I wonder how many of these gas whiners drive automatic transmission.
Yea, and air condition too. Hell, the radio uses electricity so it makes a .0000001% savings in gas to turn it off. A for you. Anyone, reading comments from the likes of you, that thinks a democrat is "elitist" is full of crap. I've never read so much "elitist" crap in all of my life. Our future is in sh!tty hands if its going to be run by people like you (not that it's not already in sh!tty hands anyway)
Again, let them eat cake. I'm sure they can buy one after they pony up $13,000 for a new car.
Originally posted by: Engineer
Originally posted by: zendari
Originally posted by: charrison
While you car does not do bad for its mpg, you could still get a car with better mpg easily. You consuming less gas would help everyone by pushing demand lower. But of course all you will do is complain, which of course is right. BUt we also know actions speak louder than words.
:thumbsup: I wonder how many of these gas whiners drive automatic transmission.
Yea, and air condition too. Hell, the radio uses electricity so it makes a .0000001% savings in gas to turn it off. A for you. Anyone, reading comments from the likes of you, that thinks a democrat is "elitist" is full of crap. I've never read so much "elitist" crap in all of my life. Our future is in sh!tty hands if its going to be run by people like you (not that it's not already in sh!tty hands anyway)
Again, let them eat cake. I'm sure they can buy one after they pony up $13,000 for a new car.
While your numbers are pretty good, it's the energy loss inherent in an automatic tranny, not the extra gear ratios that make the biggest difference, AFAIK. Given equal final drive ratios, and a lock-up torque converter, cruising mileage should be essentially identical, but under acceleration, manual is more efficient because a non-slipping clutch provides a direct mechanical connection, while a box full of fluid does not.Originally posted by: charrison
Well there is a quantifiable difference between manual and automatic. You usually get an extra 2mpg for having manual over and automatic. However that gap will likely be closed by 5 speed automatics that are starting to be produce. I believe there was also some research done on a computer operated manual transmission(push a button and change gears), so it offers the fuel savings of a manual with the ease of operation of a automatic.
Originally posted by: alent1234
Originally posted by: Engineer
Originally posted by: zendari
Originally posted by: charrison
While you car does not do bad for its mpg, you could still get a car with better mpg easily. You consuming less gas would help everyone by pushing demand lower. But of course all you will do is complain, which of course is right. BUt we also know actions speak louder than words.
:thumbsup: I wonder how many of these gas whiners drive automatic transmission.
Yea, and air condition too. Hell, the radio uses electricity so it makes a .0000001% savings in gas to turn it off. A for you. Anyone, reading comments from the likes of you, that thinks a democrat is "elitist" is full of crap. I've never read so much "elitist" crap in all of my life. Our future is in sh!tty hands if its going to be run by people like you (not that it's not already in sh!tty hands anyway)
Again, let them eat cake. I'm sure they can buy one after they pony up $13,000 for a new car.
$13,000 for a new car is not a lot
17 million cars are sold in the US every year. Are only the rich buying cars?