Original Gas Thread: Americans enjoying $4 gallon despite oil oversupply highest in 8 yrs

[Engineer]

Originally posted by: charrison

Originally posted by: Engineer

Originally posted by: zendari

Originally posted by: charrison
While you car does not do bad for its mpg, you could still get a car with better mpg easily. You consuming less gas would help everyone by pushing demand lower. But of course all you will do is complain, which of course is right. BUt we also know actions speak louder than words.

:thumbsup: I wonder how many of these gas whiners drive automatic transmission.

Yea, and air condition too. Hell, the radio uses electricity so it makes a .0000001% savings in gas to turn it off. A for you. Anyone, reading comments from the likes of you, that thinks a democrat is "elitist" is full of crap. I've never read so much "elitist" crap in all of my life. Our future is in sh!tty hands if its going to be run by people like you (not that it's not already in sh!tty hands anyway)

Again, let them eat cake. I'm sure they can buy one after they pony up $13,000 for a new car.

Well there is a quantifiable difference between manual and automatic. You usually get an extra 2mpg for having manual over and automatic. However that gap will likely be closed by 5 speed automatics that are starting to be produce. I believe there was also some research done on a computer operated manual transmission(push a button and change gears), so it offers the fuel savings of a manual with the ease of operation of a automatic.

Everyone doesn't want to drive a manual transmission either. Do you? Do they see it in your Expedition model? Like I said, if you're going to go there then you might as well cut out AC, radio, extra lighting, computers as they all cause extra load (expecially AC) and use more gas.

On a side note, it will be interesting to see cars becoming more fuel efficient, etc. with "usually" lower power trying to run all of the gadgets and AC.

 

[Engineer]

Originally posted by: Stunt
Charrison and 3chord, you guys both have it wrong.
CVT's are the most efficient, most manufacturers are *starting* to put them into their vehicles.

Saturn's Vue, Nissan's Murano and Honda's Civic (HX) have this transmission. Infinite gearing, no shifting required, speed directly proportional to rpms.
:thumbsup:

I didn't know that. Thanks.

 

[3chordcharlie]

Originally posted by: Stunt
Charrison and 3chord, you guys both have it wrong.
CVT's are the most efficient, most manufacturers are *starting* to put them into their vehicles.

Saturn's Vue, Nissan's Murano and Honda's Civic (HX) have this transmission. Infinite gearing, no shifting required, speed directly proportional to rpms.
:thumbsup:

One day, this will probably be the only kind left. Mainstream, at the moment, a judiciously driven manual is more efficient in general than an automatic.

The potential for improved mileage in IRL is definitely affected by the want/need (depending on climate and traffic conditions) for AC.

 

[zendari]

Originally posted by: Engineer

I didn't say only rich are buying cars, I said that not everyone can just run out and buy a new high mpg car, regardless of price, because they simply can't afford it. Everyone doesn't have a great credit rating in this country as they've maxed out credit cards (usually their fault though) or some other problem. Most of the people complaing about people like me complaining say "simple, get a new car" or "ride the bus" or....

Sometimes, it's just not that simple. I guess if you're on Fantasy Island......*sigh*

Oh, and the estimate is 18.5 million cars this year because of the cut throat incentives and pricing that the automotive makers have been giving.

So why did these people buy a gasmobile in the first place? Was it supposed to become magically fuel efficient overnight? If they could afford to buy an expensive gasmobile over a cheap compact they can afford a few extra bucks for gas.

 

[3chordcharlie]

Originally posted by: zendari

Originally posted by: Engineer

I didn't say only rich are buying cars, I said that not everyone can just run out and buy a new high mpg car, regardless of price, because they simply can't afford it. Everyone doesn't have a great credit rating in this country as they've maxed out credit cards (usually their fault though) or some other problem. Most of the people complaing about people like me complaining say "simple, get a new car" or "ride the bus" or....

Sometimes, it's just not that simple. I guess if you're on Fantasy Island......*sigh*

Oh, and the estimate is 18.5 million cars this year because of the cut throat incentives and pricing that the automotive makers have been giving.

So why did these people buy a gasmobile in the first place?

Because at anything like normal inflation, they could afford to?

Big-Oil-owned government has been denying the potential for a fuel crisis ever since the last one.

In fact they even spent the SPR avoiding one right around the last election.

 

[Engineer]

Originally posted by: zendari

Originally posted by: Engineer

I didn't say only rich are buying cars, I said that not everyone can just run out and buy a new high mpg car, regardless of price, because they simply can't afford it. Everyone doesn't have a great credit rating in this country as they've maxed out credit cards (usually their fault though) or some other problem. Most of the people complaing about people like me complaining say "simple, get a new car" or "ride the bus" or....

Sometimes, it's just not that simple. I guess if you're on Fantasy Island......*sigh*

Oh, and the estimate is 18.5 million cars this year because of the cut throat incentives and pricing that the automotive makers have been giving.

So why did these people buy a gasmobile in the first place? Was it supposed to become magically fuel efficient overnight? If they could afford to buy an expensive gasmobile over a cheap compact they can afford a few extra bucks for gas.

Why are you assuming they are expensive? Maybe a very old vehicle purchased at another time? Everyone doesn't own a nice "NEW" shiny vehicle. Maybe they bought it in 1997 when gas bottomed here at $0.49 per gallon. Maybe they have since lost their "manufacturing" jobs or have become disabled? You think everyone should just run out and buy a new car so very easily. Used vehicles are cheap. No use giving you this information. You're just going to throw the ole "let them eat cake" since they can't get a new vehicle or why did they buy that gas guzzler when you have no fvcking clue why they own it. I know people who have had the same vehicle since 1981 because they cannot afford to replace it.

Like I said, it must be nice that "EVERYONE" lives in your world.

 

[alent1234]

a few unlucky people doesn't cause oil to shoot up to $67 a barrel

 

[Engineer]

Originally posted by: alent1234
a few unlucky people doesn't cause oil to shoot up to $67 a barrel

Pure speculation, weak dollar, political unrest in the ME (much caused by us), greed, gouging.....add it all up and you take a $40 barrel and turn it into $67 per barrel and rising. Sure, supply/demand has something to do with it, but the above mentioned factors are driving the extreme pricing.

 

[1EZduzit]

Originally posted by: zendari

Originally posted by: Engineer

I didn't say only rich are buying cars, I said that not everyone can just run out and buy a new high mpg car, regardless of price, because they simply can't afford it. Everyone doesn't have a great credit rating in this country as they've maxed out credit cards (usually their fault though) or some other problem. Most of the people complaing about people like me complaining say "simple, get a new car" or "ride the bus" or....

Sometimes, it's just not that simple. I guess if you're on Fantasy Island......*sigh*

Oh, and the estimate is 18.5 million cars this year because of the cut throat incentives and pricing that the automotive makers have been giving.

So why did these people buy a gasmobile in the first place? Was it supposed to become magically fuel efficient overnight? If they could afford to buy an expensive gasmobile over a cheap compact they can afford a few extra bucks for gas.

Because they were employed in the health care industry and thought they could afford it. That and the big house and sending their spoiled brat kids to Europe for the summer and college expenses for them, next thing you know they're in over their heads.

Of course, then the wife got sick and lost her job. Now she has a rare disease and can't work. Then one of the girls thought she should get married and that they should pay for it!!

Did I leave anything out??

 

[Gaard]

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit

Originally posted by: zendari

Originally posted by: Engineer

I didn't say only rich are buying cars, I said that not everyone can just run out and buy a new high mpg car, regardless of price, because they simply can't afford it. Everyone doesn't have a great credit rating in this country as they've maxed out credit cards (usually their fault though) or some other problem. Most of the people complaing about people like me complaining say "simple, get a new car" or "ride the bus" or....

Sometimes, it's just not that simple. I guess if you're on Fantasy Island......*sigh*

Oh, and the estimate is 18.5 million cars this year because of the cut throat incentives and pricing that the automotive makers have been giving.

So why did these people buy a gasmobile in the first place? Was it supposed to become magically fuel efficient overnight? If they could afford to buy an expensive gasmobile over a cheap compact they can afford a few extra bucks for gas.

Because they were employed in the health care industry and thought they could afford it. That and the big house and sending their spoiled brat kids to Europe for the summer and college expenses for them, next thing you know they're in over their heads.

Of course, then the wife got sick and lost her job. Now she has a rare disease and can't work. Then one of the girls thought she should get married and that they should pay for it!!

Did I leave anything out??

Only that Johnny came home one day with his life partner. Now mom and dad are going to therapy twice a month.

 

[zendari]

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit

Originally posted by: zendari

Originally posted by: Engineer

I didn't say only rich are buying cars, I said that not everyone can just run out and buy a new high mpg car, regardless of price, because they simply can't afford it. Everyone doesn't have a great credit rating in this country as they've maxed out credit cards (usually their fault though) or some other problem. Most of the people complaing about people like me complaining say "simple, get a new car" or "ride the bus" or....

Sometimes, it's just not that simple. I guess if you're on Fantasy Island......*sigh*

Oh, and the estimate is 18.5 million cars this year because of the cut throat incentives and pricing that the automotive makers have been giving.

So why did these people buy a gasmobile in the first place? Was it supposed to become magically fuel efficient overnight? If they could afford to buy an expensive gasmobile over a cheap compact they can afford a few extra bucks for gas.

Because they were employed in the health care industry and thought they could afford it. That and the big house and sending their spoiled brat kids to Europe for the summer and college expenses for them, next thing you know they're in over their heads.

Of course, then the wife got sick and lost her job. Now she has a rare disease and can't work. Then one of the girls thought she should get married and that they should pay for it!!

Did I leave anything out??

Yeah, the fact that gasoline even now costs nothing compared to a big house, a college degree, and a vacation in Europe. So its not a matter of affordability.

 

[Engineer]

Originally posted by: zendari

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit

Originally posted by: zendari

Originally posted by: Engineer

I didn't say only rich are buying cars, I said that not everyone can just run out and buy a new high mpg car, regardless of price, because they simply can't afford it. Everyone doesn't have a great credit rating in this country as they've maxed out credit cards (usually their fault though) or some other problem. Most of the people complaing about people like me complaining say "simple, get a new car" or "ride the bus" or....

Sometimes, it's just not that simple. I guess if you're on Fantasy Island......*sigh*

Oh, and the estimate is 18.5 million cars this year because of the cut throat incentives and pricing that the automotive makers have been giving.

So why did these people buy a gasmobile in the first place? Was it supposed to become magically fuel efficient overnight? If they could afford to buy an expensive gasmobile over a cheap compact they can afford a few extra bucks for gas.

Because they were employed in the health care industry and thought they could afford it. That and the big house and sending their spoiled brat kids to Europe for the summer and college expenses for them, next thing you know they're in over their heads.

Of course, then the wife got sick and lost her job. Now she has a rare disease and can't work. Then one of the girls thought she should get married and that they should pay for it!!

Did I leave anything out??

Yeah, the fact that gasoline even now costs nothing compared to a big house, a college degree, and a vacation in Europe. So its not a matter of affordability.

And you think that the people I'm talking about have those things? Hell, I can't afford some of that stuff (well, I could go into debt up to my eyeballs and do it, but debt generally sucks). Why do you have this fixation that we're talking about "rich" people here?

 

[nergee]

Who gives a f**k what the prices were in the late 70's, adjusted for inflation. This is today dammitt and the real reason is WAR! War has always been an excuse to gouge the American public with inflated prices and then turning around to blame the people, the weather, or any other bulls**t lies politicians come up with. If anyone can drive off after filling up without paying for it, feel free. Just maybe Bush will get off his azz and do his fvcking job. This is worse than the price gouging on 9-11, and at the pharmacy combined!

 

[BoberFett]

Originally posted by: nergee
Who gives a f**k what the prices were in the late 70's, adjusted for inflation. This is today dammitt and the real reason is WAR! War has always been an excuse to gouge the American public with inflated prices and then turning around to blame the people, the weather, or any other bulls**t lies politicians come up with. If anyone can drive off after filling up without paying for it, feel free. Just maybe Bush will get off his azz and do his fvcking job. This is worse than the price gouging on 9-11, and at the pharmacy combined!

Which part of the Constitution says that the presidents job has anything to do with controlling the price of gas?

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: BoberFett

Originally posted by: nergee
Who gives a f**k what the prices were in the late 70's, adjusted for inflation. This is today dammitt and the real reason is WAR! War has always been an excuse to gouge the American public with inflated prices and then turning around to blame the people, the weather, or any other bulls**t lies politicians come up with. If anyone can drive off after filling up without paying for it, feel free. Just maybe Bush will get off his azz and do his fvcking job. This is worse than the price gouging on 9-11, and at the pharmacy combined!

Which part of the Constitution says that the presidents job has anything to do with controlling the price of gas?

Since the Country depends on it.

 

[BoberFett]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: BoberFett

Originally posted by: nergee
Who gives a f**k what the prices were in the late 70's, adjusted for inflation. This is today dammitt and the real reason is WAR! War has always been an excuse to gouge the American public with inflated prices and then turning around to blame the people, the weather, or any other bulls**t lies politicians come up with. If anyone can drive off after filling up without paying for it, feel free. Just maybe Bush will get off his azz and do his fvcking job. This is worse than the price gouging on 9-11, and at the pharmacy combined!

Which part of the Constitution says that the presidents job has anything to do with controlling the price of gas?

Since the Country depends on it.

I'll repeat the question: Which part of the Constitution says that the presidents job has anything to do with controlling the price of gas?

 

[Darkhawk28]

Originally posted by: BoberFett

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: BoberFett

Originally posted by: nergee
Who gives a f**k what the prices were in the late 70's, adjusted for inflation. This is today dammitt and the real reason is WAR! War has always been an excuse to gouge the American public with inflated prices and then turning around to blame the people, the weather, or any other bulls**t lies politicians come up with. If anyone can drive off after filling up without paying for it, feel free. Just maybe Bush will get off his azz and do his fvcking job. This is worse than the price gouging on 9-11, and at the pharmacy combined!

Which part of the Constitution says that the presidents job has anything to do with controlling the price of gas?

Since the Country depends on it.

I'll repeat the question: Which part of the Constitution says that the presidents job has anything to do with controlling the price of gas?

Well, considering he made the solution seem so simple in the 2000 debates, you'd think he'd at least TRY...

"I'd make them open up the spiggots."

 

[BoberFett]

Originally posted by: Darkhawk28Well, considering he made the solution seem so simple in the 2000 debates, you'd think he'd at least TRY...

"I'd make them open up the spiggots."

Who's the bigger fool? The man elected president despite his lies? Or the people who believe the lies and vote for him anyway?

Campaign promises, LMAO! That's rich!

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: BoberFett

Who's the bigger fool? The man elected president despite his lies?

Or the people who believe the lies and vote for him anyway?

Thank you for admitting the Country is at least 51% fools :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

 

[BoberFett]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: BoberFett

Who's the bigger fool? The man elected president despite his lies?

Or the people who believe the lies and vote for him anyway?

Thank you for admitting the Country is at least 51% fools :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

Who said anything about 51%? Kerry was a lying bastard too, he just happened to be the lying bastard who lost. Too bad easily led sheep like you keep voting for the two major parties, neither of which has any interest in you or your pathetic problems. Maybe if more people would wake up and vote for non-career politicians like those found in third parties we wouldn't be where we are now.

But that's too much to ask of someone like you. Carry on, sheep. Baaaaaaaa.

 

[Reckoner]

Time to drill in Alaska.

 

[shrumpage]

Originally posted by: PaulNEPats
Time to drill in Alaska.

As a full time Alaskan, i 2nd that.

 

[Whoozyerdaddy]

Originally posted by: shrumpage

Originally posted by: PaulNEPats
Time to drill in Alaska.

As a full time Alaskan, i 2nd that.

Me too... Which part are you in? (and I agree... drill drill drill)

 

[shrumpage]

Originally posted by: Whoozyerdaddy

Originally posted by: shrumpage

Originally posted by: PaulNEPats
Time to drill in Alaska.

As a full time Alaskan, i 2nd that.

Me too... Which part are you in? (and I agree... drill drill drill)

South central - Kodiak. Where u at?

 

[Engineer]

Just heard on news that gas jumped another $0.21 today in Lexington, KY. Went from $2.48 to $2.69 per gallon!

*sigh*