Original Gas Thread: Americans enjoying $4 gallon despite oil oversupply highest in 8 yrs

[dmcowen674]

Scooters are fine and dandy but not allowed on the 24 mile world's longest Bridge I commute across everyday.

8-22-2005 Gas Pushing $3 Gallon? Use a Scooter

Gasoline pushing $3 gallon? Why worry? Buy a motor scooter like thousands of other Americans and stretch that single gallon of gas a week or more.

"This is a good-riding scooter," Hathaway said. "I've got two plastic knees, and throwing them over the seat of a motorcycle doesn't work for me."

Mount says the median age of scooter owners is 46, but they have wide appeal to both young and old, males and females. One-fourth of scooter owners are women, he says.

"Scooters are an easy entree into the world of two-wheeling for many people and are less intimidating than motorcycles," Mount says. "And if you're getting 50 to 70 miles per gallon, that's a lot better than pretty much any car you can buy."

 

[MicroChrome]

I have actually been looking at scooters.

But... Not the 49CC's... I got a 25 mile commute and everyone does 55-65. So, I'm not going to be on a POS risking my life just to save a few gallons for some Dodge V8 Hemi to suck down in a few minutes.

But, siriously I was looking at this.

burgman

Not the 650, but the 400's. They get around 60-65 and do 85MPH. So they would be allowed on any street.

Tho, you could get a 650. But I think 45MPG is good but a scoot should be at least getting 60+ MPG IMO.

 

[Darkhawk28]

Originally posted by: MicroChrome
I have actually been looking at scooters.

But... Not the 49CC's... I got a 25 mile commute and everyone does 55-65. So, I'm not going to be on a POS risking my life just to save a few gallons for some Dodge V8 Hemi to suck down in a few minutes.

But, siriously I was looking at this.

burgman

Not the 650, but the 400's. They get around 60-65 and do 85MPH. So they would be allowed on any street.

Tho, you could get a 650. But I think 45MPG is good but a scoot should be at least getting 60+ MPG IMO.

That actually looks pretty cool for a scooter. :thumbsup:

 

[imported_Condor]

Didn't you get shot down on this the last time gas went up in price? I remember a bunch of postings about how NASCAR uses different fuels and not much on a national basis - stuff like that. I think this is a repost.

 

[imported_Condor]

Originally posted by: Condor
Didn't you get shot down on this the last time gas went up in price? I remember a bunch of postings about how NASCAR uses different fuels and not much on a national basis - stuff like that. I think this is a repost.

After having scanned the thread, it is not a repost, just an old one dragged out of the closet.

 

[MicroChrome]

Did you really have to quote yourself on that worthless post?


Ok, back to my scooter!!!

 

[imported_Condor]

Originally posted by: MicroChrome
Did you really have to quote yourself on that worthless post?


Ok, back to my scooter!!!

Yeah, I love reading my work.

 

[dmcowen674]

I haven't see anything in the news yet but many stations in New Orleans have in fact run out of gas.

Many stations do not have any middle or Premium grade. Don;t see any stations lacking regular grade.

Can anyone else confirm this outage outside New Orleans area or other States???

 

[alent1234]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: charrison

You only have to look at car dealers advertising higher mpg vehicles and slumping SUV sales.

Of course there a syntehtic oils that last 15k miles instal of a standard change every 3k miles.

As oil become more expensive, people will change their habits.

Intersting you brought this up.

Can you explain why Motor Oil has not gone up exponentially as Gas???

Based on the Gas run up, a quart of Oil should be at least $3.50 a quart and it is still just over a $1.

It should be at least more expensive than synthetic and it is not.

I'm sure you cannot explain this just like cannot explain gas prices.

maybe because gas is used a lot more than motor oil?

 

[Deudalus]

Topic Summary: 8-23-05 Many stations in New Orleans are out of middle and Premium grade Gas, nothing in News yet

Umm, I live in New Orleans and I haven't had any problems getting gas.

Alot of our domestic oil is drilled here (only 4 states in America produce oil) and it is also turned into gas here.

If we are having shortages here, that would leave most of the other states with outages.

 

[Buck Armstrong]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Oil now over $54 a barrel.

Gas prices jumped a whopping 20 cents more a gallon here in Louisiana last night.

Went from $2 to $2.20 Must be getting close to $3 around rest of the Country.

10-12-2004 Oil Jumps Over $54 on Winter Fuel Worries

Oil prices surged to record highs above $54 on Tuesday as a fire at Nigerian export pipeline became the latest threat to consumers' efforts to build winter heating fuel inventories.

U.S. crude set a record $54.45 a barrel, marking a sixth successive day of all-time peaks, and was trading at $54.00, up 36 cents on the day.

Oil prices have leapt 66 percent this year

IMPACT ON WORLD ECONOMY

High prices are beginning to slow the world economy and encourage energy saving measures in China, the International Energy Agency said on Tuesday.

In Norway, a rig workers strike is expected to widen on Tuesday, forcing the world's third-largest exporter to shut in 55,000 bpd.
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In Norway, a rig workers strike is expected to widen on Tuesday, forcing the world's third-largest exporter to shut in 55,000 bpd.

What's this??? Record profits and the Oil Bastage Thugs aren't paying the Oil Rig workers????

This is the first I have heard of this one.

I'm with you on this one. Shut down Nascar...even if there isn't a gas crisis!

 

[0marTheZealot]

Originally posted by: charrison

Originally posted by: 0marTheZealot

Originally posted by: charrison

Originally posted by: 0marTheZealot

Originally posted by: charrison

Originally posted by: 0marTheZealot

Originally posted by: alent1234

Originally posted by: charrison

Originally posted by: zendari
This is great news. Hybrids should be a viable alternative to regular cars.

Maybe there will be less foolish gaswhiners who don't give a sh!t about the environment and feel entitled to cheap plentiful gas driving big SUVs around after this development.

Dont worry, when they start making large SUV hybrids people will bitch about them. I beleive dodge is planing a durango hybrd for 2007.

wife and I are planning for a Toyota Highlander hybrid in a few years

jumbo shrimp is still shrimp.

BTW, hybrids do very little to current demand. If you put 1 million hybrids in today on the road and replace 1 million gas guzzlers, you have a net savings of 49,600 barrels of oil per day. This is a paltry amount compared to how much is consumed (20,500,000 barrels per day). It might push oil down a cent or two. Consider that ANWR would probably only push down the price of oil by 50 cents.

And lets suppose that over the next decade that most of the cars in the US become hybrids and fleet mpg rises by 50%, would you still call this trivial fuel savings?

Yes, because increased demand worldwide will consume our savings. On top of that, we will still be importing even more oil, simply because we will still continue our sprawl, still have declining oil production and spend even more on materials to make cars.

You are now assuming that feul saving technologies would not spread across the world.

Show me evidence outside of Europe that real efficencies gains are taking place.

\You only have to look at car dealers advertising higher mpg vehicles and slumping SUV sales. Of course there a syntehtic oils that last 15k miles instal of a standard change every 3k miles. As oil become more expensive, people will change their habits.

http://www.projectcensored.org/newsflash/The_Hirsch_Report_Proj_Cens.pdf

 

[SeminoleMarine]

I am not going to read over 500 posts to catch up, so sorry if this is already posted. While you are shutting down NASCAR, go ahead and cancel all these useless baseball cross country trips, all the upcoming football games (NCAA and NFL) as well as any other sport that requires airline travel and or bus travel. While we are at it, let's stop all these business trips and useless vaction trips. In fact lets ground all air travel and bus travel until this crisis is over.


*sarcasm off*

Just when you think you have seen or heard everything, someone comes along and posts stuff like this.

 

[dwcal]

Originally posted by: SeminoleMarine
I am not going to read over 500 posts to catch up, so sorry if this is already posted. While you are shutting down NASCAR, go ahead and cancel all these useless baseball cross country trips, all the upcoming football games (NCAA and NFL) as well as any other sport that

LOL. Really. Look around the parking lot at any ball game. How do you think those 60,000 fans got to the game?

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: SeminoleMarine

While you are shutting down NASCAR, go ahead and cancel all these useless baseball cross country trips, all the upcoming football games (NCAA and NFL) as well as any other sport that requires airline travel and or bus travel.

While we are at it, let's stop all these business trips and useless vaction trips.

In fact lets ground all air travel and bus travel until this crisis is over.

Just when you think you have seen or heard everything, someone comes along and posts stuff like this.

Actually this is a good plan. :thumbsup:

Since we now have high speed Broadband a lot of useless travel can be cut down.

These are things we must do to be less dependent on Foreign Oil.

 

[charrison]

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This weekend?s record MPG Prius marathon was truly a co-operative venture of the county?s top Hypermilers! Congratulations to Dave Bassage of W. Virginia (Prius), Dan Kroushl of Pennsylvania (Prius), Wayne Gerdes of Illinois (Insight), and Rick Reese of South Carolina (Insight),and Robert Barlow of Virginia (Civic hybrid). They drove an unmodified Toyota Prius a record breaking 1,397 miles on one 12.78 gallon tank of gas. This works out to 109 miles per gallon, almost twice the EPA combined rating of 55 MPG.

The drivers used a technique called Pulse and Glide. They accelerated slowly to about 40 mph and then coasted back down to around 30 mph.. Driving back and forth for 48 hours on an 18 mile stretch of four-lane highway, they averaged 30 miles per hour (including over 200 stops). Speed limits for this course vary from 30 to 45 miles per hour. Driving without AC in four hour shifts, this was truly a marathon event.

While this is an impractical driving technique, it definatly shows what is possible with this technology.

 

[1EZduzit]

Originally posted by: 0marTheZealot

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit

Originally posted by: 0marTheZealot
The numbers on ethanol vary wildly, but from the studies I've seen the EROEI (energ returned on energy invested) varies between 1.6 to .8. That means, at best, ethanol is a slight energy winner (16 units of energy for 10 units of energy put in) and at worst is a energy sink (8 units of energy for 10 invested).

Ethanol can never make up for imports, not in anyone's wildest dreams. You can pour 100 trillion dollars of research, infrastructe and legislation and we will still import copious amounts of crude oil. Ethanol will always be a bit player in the liquid fuel industry.

My understanding is that the studies that claim an energy loss don't take into account the value of the bi-products of ethanol production, let alone the value of job creation and the reduction in our trade deficit.

A June 2004 study determined that ethanol now provides a 1.67 to 1 gain in energy.

I listed a range of values; there is no true consensus.

The point I was trying to make was that the discussion of ethanol is fairly academic. It will never be even a small scale alternative to gasoline/diesel.

But every little bit helps and from what I've read the new energy bill mandates an increase in the production of ethanol that will make total ethanol production equal 1 tanker of oil a week. It will also increase the value of commodities that we overproduce in this country. It's a win-win situation for the US.

Ethanol provides jobs and keeps the money in the US.

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit

Originally posted by: 0marTheZealot

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit

Originally posted by: 0marTheZealot
The numbers on ethanol vary wildly, but from the studies I've seen the EROEI (energ returned on energy invested) varies between 1.6 to .8. That means, at best, ethanol is a slight energy winner (16 units of energy for 10 units of energy put in) and at worst is a energy sink (8 units of energy for 10 invested).

Ethanol can never make up for imports, not in anyone's wildest dreams. You can pour 100 trillion dollars of research, infrastructe and legislation and we will still import copious amounts of crude oil. Ethanol will always be a bit player in the liquid fuel industry.

My understanding is that the studies that claim an energy loss don't take into account the value of the bi-products of ethanol production, let alone the value of job creation and the reduction in our trade deficit.

A June 2004 study determined that ethanol now provides a 1.67 to 1 gain in energy.

I listed a range of values; there is no true consensus.

The point I was trying to make was that the discussion of ethanol is fairly academic. It will never be even a small scale alternative to gasoline/diesel.

But every little bit helps and from what I've read the new energy bill mandates an increase in the production of ethanol that will make total ethanol production equal 1 tanker of oil a week. It will also increase the value of commodities that we overproduce in this country. It's a win-win situation for the US.

Ethanol provides jobs and keeps the money in the US.

Why would anyone want to provide jobs and keep money in the U.S.?

The idea is to offshore as much work as possible and keep the money offshore tax free as possible too.

Where have you've been???

 

[Vic]

I propose that Dave be hauled away by the men in white coats and locked in a cozy padded cell until his post crisis passes.

 

[Whoozyerdaddy]

Originally posted by: Vic
I propose that Dave be hauled away by the men in white coats and locked in a cozy padded cell until his post crisis passes.

:thumbsup:

 

[zendari]

Dave, please just answer this question. 1 word answer will suffice.

In some threads youve said how gas should be expensive so SUV owners get burned and we dont rape the environment. In others you have said that if you were president gas would be cheap.

Do you want cheap or expensive gas?

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: zendari
Dave, please just answer this question. 1 word answer will suffice.

In some threads youve said how gas should be expensive so SUV owners get burned and we dont rape the environment. In others you have said that if you were president gas would be cheap.

Do you want cheap or expensive gas?

Best scenario is real actual market price (not inflated greed price like we have now) and get rid of all vehicles that get less than 20 mpg.

 

[0marTheZealot]

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit

Originally posted by: 0marTheZealot

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit

Originally posted by: 0marTheZealot
The numbers on ethanol vary wildly, but from the studies I've seen the EROEI (energ returned on energy invested) varies between 1.6 to .8. That means, at best, ethanol is a slight energy winner (16 units of energy for 10 units of energy put in) and at worst is a energy sink (8 units of energy for 10 invested).

Ethanol can never make up for imports, not in anyone's wildest dreams. You can pour 100 trillion dollars of research, infrastructe and legislation and we will still import copious amounts of crude oil. Ethanol will always be a bit player in the liquid fuel industry.

My understanding is that the studies that claim an energy loss don't take into account the value of the bi-products of ethanol production, let alone the value of job creation and the reduction in our trade deficit.

A June 2004 study determined that ethanol now provides a 1.67 to 1 gain in energy.

I listed a range of values; there is no true consensus.

The point I was trying to make was that the discussion of ethanol is fairly academic. It will never be even a small scale alternative to gasoline/diesel.

But every little bit helps and from what I've read the new energy bill mandates an increase in the production of ethanol that will make total ethanol production equal 1 tanker of oil a week. It will also increase the value of commodities that we overproduce in this country. It's a win-win situation for the US.

Ethanol provides jobs and keeps the money in the US.

Ethanol is a bit player in the energy realm. It lacks the punch of gasoline, the supply of gasoline, and the cost of gasoline. It is subsidized mainly by the government. Creating ethanol comes at the expense of farmlands and crops. Bread or gas, which do you choose?

Ethanol will never be a viable alternative to gasoline. Ethanol's market share of transportation fuel is less than .1%. We would need decades of double digit growth figures before ethanol would be even a marginal player in transportation. The supply is simply no t there and nor will it ever be.

The scale of the problem eludes most people. Once we begin talking about millions and billions, the mind loses grasp of the numbers involved.

 

[1EZduzit]

I don't know how many oil tankers come into the US market every week? Still, one oil tanker a week has to help. It may not be the answer to the problem, but I think it has to be a step in the right direction.

It's not like anybody in this country is dying of hunger, but they are dying for oil.

Chevron named oil tanker the "Condoleezza Rice"

 

[yankeesfan]

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit
I don't know how many oil tankers come into the US market every week? Still, one oil tanker a week has to help. It may not be the answer to the problem, but I think it has to be a step in the right direction.

It's not like anybody in this country is dying of hunger, but they are dying for oil.

Chevron named oil tanker the "Condoleezza Rice"

Dang, you're gullible. Shouldn't the writing on the ship be slanted? That is so fake, I'm laughing.

edit: Slanted as in getting smaller with distance.

Nice source, BTW