Osama bin Laden is dead

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zinfamous

No Lifer
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24 was a painful caricature of itself at the end. I'm glad it was hunted down and killed, too.

yeah, but the final season was pretty damn awesome. if for no other reason than it relished that caricature and played it out to absurd levels.
 

bobdole369

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Dec 15, 2004
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You can continue to call me a moron, a dolt, or whatever you like. You can tell me to fuck off too. I encourage it. It doesn't make it right that several people died today. In fact its a little sad. We don't have the right to go out and hunt down a single person and shoot them. I'm SURE it went down far differently than that, I'm certain that it wasn't an execution, but that we went in to try and capture him, and in the course of that operation, we took out a target. That doesn't make it OK. Killing someone is never OK. Even Hitler, even Hussein, even Napoleon, even Khan, it is never to be taken lightly. The dog and pony show trial isn't enough to convict someone of death in absentia....

That you are fueled enough to respond brings me hope that I am getting to you people. KILLING IS WRONG! BEING HAPPY AND CELEBRATING DEATH IS WRONG! Even a terrorists death. Even OBL. Its WRONG. You should be joyful for JUSTICE not DEATH.

I just saw something comical on twitter something that is relevant:

"Fox News take: African American man in White House confesses to murdering elderly Saudi national."

In War, It is acceptable to have casualties. This is inevitable. It is 2 entities fighting against one another. Of course there are no trials there. In this case it isn't war going on. In fact the war we are fighting (2 wars actually - 1 against the Iraqi's, which resulted in a trial for Hussein, and another in Afghanistan against the Taliban and Al Qaeda remnants) isn't to find a single person. So I don't understand why anyone would bring up the ludicrous idea of trying every soldier. I guess you don't get it.
 

zinfamous

No Lifer
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Is it OK for you to kill the man who kills your son? It is not. Is it OK for you to steal the car of the person who stole your car? Absolutely not.

Just like its not OK for us to simply kill the man who is responsible for several thousand deaths. Let justice prevail - let a jury convict him and at least society says he should die. It is not our business to say "just kill him".

It is also wrong for all of you to be jubilant about it.


I'm gonna go ahead and not care about what you think of me if I decide to kill the person that killed my son.
 

fire hazard

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al quaeda is toast and have been for ages. We kicked the everliving shit out of AQ just after Bush's invading Afghanistan.

It's the Taliban that's the threat, now, the Suni extremists from Syria and Saudi Arabia that we have to worry about now which is a totally different network. That's the way it's been since 2002/2003.

What about AQAP, AQIM, AQI? AQ is still very much a threat. You're wrong.
 

Nik

Lifer
Jun 5, 2006
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You can continue to call me a moron, a dolt, or whatever you like. You can tell me to fuck off too. I encourage it. It doesn't make it right that several people died today. In fact its a little sad. We don't have the right to go out and hunt down a single person and shoot them. I'm SURE it went down far differently than that, I'm certain that it wasn't an execution, but that we went in to try and capture him, and in the course of that operation, we took out a target. That doesn't make it OK. Killing someone is never OK. Even Hitler, even Hussein, even Napoleon, even Khan, it is never to be taken lightly. The dog and pony show trial isn't enough to convict someone of death in absentia....

That you are fueled enough to respond brings me hope that I am getting to you people. KILLING IS WRONG! BEING HAPPY AND CELEBRATING DEATJ IS WRONG! Even a terrorists death. Even OBL. Its WRONG. You should be joyful for JUSTICE not DEATH.

I just saw something comical on twitter something that is relevant:

"Fox News take: African American man in White House confesses to murdering elderly Saudi national."

In War, It is acceptable to have casualties. This is inevitable. It is 2 entities fighting against one another. Of course there are no trials there. In this case it isn't war going on. In fact the war we are fighting (2 wars actually - 1 against the Iraqi's, which resulted in a trial for Hussein, and another in Afghanistan against the Taliban and Al Qaeda remnants) isn't to find a single person. So I don't understand why anyone would bring up the ludicrous idea of trying every soldier. I guess you don't get it.

You can scream and yell until you're blue in the face, but you can't project your morals and ethics onto anyone else. They're your morals and your ethics.

You won't find much sympathy here.
 

Bignate603

Lifer
Sep 5, 2000
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They had info about his location since August. It would be cool if they captured him in August and have been extracting information from him since then that can/will be used to dismantle the Al Quaeda network, and then disposed of him when they got everything they needed.

How different do you think it would have played out in August? It probably would have ended with him dead then too. Also, trying to take him alive would have put the soldiers that took him down in more danger. Trying to get close enough to detain someone is more dangerous than just killing them outright. There's no reason that more Americans should die because of Bin Laden.
 

bobdole369

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I'm gonna go ahead and not care about what you think of me if I decide to kill the person that killed my son.

And I shall hope for justice for the man you have slain.
 

silverpig

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Jul 29, 2001
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Sadly there is truth to this.

Yup. It was odd listening to the MSNBC feed before the speech. They were saying how Osama had affected the country and its foreign policy so much, he practically redefined them for the past 10 years. They talked about security measures, airport screenings, roads around certain buildings being blocked off, about how these were reactions to the fear of another attack.

Yet just after 9/11 everyone was talking about how if you change then you've let the terrorists win.
 

Wordplay

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Jun 28, 2010
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Do you think that he has accomplished what he wanted to accomplish? We have to take our shoes off before we get on airplanes. That's quite an accomplishment.
Considering that our civil liberties have been slowly but surely been taking away from us over the years I think that was a hell of accomplishment on his part.
 

bobdole369

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Justice is served (albeit fairly weakly IMHO). I enjoyed this debate. Let this event bring further peace, and maybe we can stop molesting children, the elderly, Miss USA, and various other people soon who choose to fly in airplanes. Night ATOT.
 

Nik

Lifer
Jun 5, 2006
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Justice is served (albeit fairly weakly IMHO). I enjoyed this debate. Let this event bring further peace, and maybe we can stop molesting children, the elderly, Miss USA, and various other people soon who choose to fly in airplanes. Night ATOT.

Are you 12?
 

zinfamous

No Lifer
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What about AQAP, AQIM, AQI? AQ is still very much a threat. You're wrong.

these are all self-appointed groups latching onto a name.

AQ has been very much fractured for about 7 years now, nowhere near the cohesive leadership and effectiveness pre-2001.

They are nothing like they were before, and never will be again.

they are not the multi-headed hydra that people think they are, because they no longer have a center.

They haven't had a center for many years.
 

midwestfisherman

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Dec 6, 2003
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While it might not be the same, to the Muslims it will seem like it is. We should NOT be celebrating this mans death. The more we celebrate the more of a martyr we will make him. We could even be turning Muslim Americans against us if we celebrate.

Over react much?
 

midwestfisherman

Diamond Member
Dec 6, 2003
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Anyone we believe to be a terrorist, without a hearing or trial, we should just send over some army killers and take him out? Is this abiding with our constitution? Where is his day in court? Are we the worlds police? This is wrong.

I'll keep this short.....you're an idiot!
 
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