Osama bin Laden is dead

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pcgeek11

Lifer
Jun 12, 2005
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so whats to prevent poeple from diving the ocean to find the body?

heck, how about the body floating to the surface?

Talk about a needle in a haystack!

The body is weighted...

" this procedure usually does not include a casket, but the body is sewn into a sailcloth with weights "
 

zinfamous

No Lifer
Jul 12, 2006
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Just a quick thought...how could they possibly identify bin laden via DNA when it takes damned near a month to get results back for major court cases???

~wnied~

QPCR takes a few hours.

easy peasy.

regular old crime lab in your forensics office at the PD doesn't have 35k to spend on a Q PCR machine.

boom.


and simple forensics like this doesn't take months, technically. the process itself is about 3 days. any delay is a work-order issue.
 

zinfamous

No Lifer
Jul 12, 2006
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Ok, but testing still takes more than 1-2 days even in emergency cases...

no it doesn't.

I can invite you into the lab where I work and show you our machines, run you through the process, how it works.

would that convince you?
 

zinfamous

No Lifer
Jul 12, 2006
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this isn't exactly an 'emergency' case...

this is more or less the government... without a doubt.

well, that factor tends to add about 2-9 weeks to the process.



oft-repeated phrase in the lab, and elsewhere: "good enough for Government work!"
 

yhelothar

Lifer
Dec 11, 2002
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no it doesn't.

I can invite you into the lab where I work and show you our machines, run you through the process, how it works.

would that convince you?

I can vouch for zinfamous here doing PCR work in a lab previously.
It takes a few hours to run a PCR, and that's by hand. There are lots of really advanced machines that can automate everything now.
 

zerocool84

Lifer
Nov 11, 2004
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Anybody watching ABC Nightline? Good stuff. Pics of Obama and his staff watching it go down and animations of what exactly happened and video of inside the compound and where he was killed.

Aww damn I missed it. I'll try and see if it's on Youtube or Hulu.
 

Born2bwire

Diamond Member
Oct 28, 2005
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That's my point. Regardless of who was leading at what time, this is a victory for the country as a whole and not a single leader. I just don't get all the posts on facebook (for example) that say "that's how its done Obama! "

You have to give him some credit though. First and foremost he made the decision and regardless of how detached he was from the planning and execution of the operation he is irrevocably tied to its outcome. Look at Carter. He was weighed down by a bickering Congress, stagflation, and the Iran hostage crisis. The failure of the operation that he approved cannot really be laid at his feet. I do not think that you can affix blame for the helicopter crash on Carter but you have to admit that he pretty much torpedoed his reelection hopes with that failure. So Obama went ahead with this decision knowing that if it failed he would have to bear the brunt of the political fallout. In the end though, people can go on about the limits of his involvement in this case but you have to admit that for what he had to do in it he did it properly and that should be taken as an indication of him as being a good President in these situations.
 

SooperDave

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Probably already been said but I'm not sifting thru over 800 posts. Obama is responsile for the death of Osama bin Laden much in the same way bin Laden is responsible for the deaths on 9/11.
 

SP33Demon

Lifer
Jun 22, 2001
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You have to give him some credit though. First and foremost he made the decision and regardless of how detached he was from the planning and execution of the operation he is irrevocably tied to its outcome. Look at Carter. He was weighed down by a bickering Congress, stagflation, and the Iran hostage crisis. The failure of the operation that he approved cannot really be laid at his feet. I do not think that you can affix blame for the helicopter crash on Carter but you have to admit that he pretty much torpedoed his reelection hopes with that failure. So Obama went ahead with this decision knowing that if it failed he would have to bear the brunt of the political fallout. In the end though, people can go on about the limits of his involvement in this case but you have to admit that for what he had to do in it he did it properly and that should be taken as an indication of him as being a good President in these situations.

Yup, Obama had some big balls to make the call considering they weren't sure OBL was in there. Not to mention that he vetoed a predator strike on that house in March because he wanted to make sure they got the body. Other presidents like Clinton and Bush just called in missile strikes which were either too late or not effective in killing OBL (only wounding him).
 

bignateyk

Lifer
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Ya know, the more I think about it, the more I like that they just tossed him in the ocean. It must be burning the extremists up that we didn't make a big deal about it and didn't give them any pictures or anything to use as propaganda.

Just slip in, pop him in the head, toss him in the ocean, and peace out.
 

Homerboy

Lifer
Mar 1, 2000
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Ya know, the more I think about it, the more I like that they just tossed him in the ocean. It must be burning the extremists up that we didn't make a big deal about it and didn't give them any pictures or anything to use as propaganda.

Just slip in, pop him in the head, toss him in the ocean, and peace out.

Heh. I am coming to realize this too. Nothing but a bag of meat to us.

I did talk a bit to one of my very devote and heavily practicing and active Muslim friends. I asked him about how he felt about the US adhering to the burial rights of Islam for OBL and he basically said it was stupid and pointless. The mainstream Muslim community couldn't have cared less about the man and how his body was treated. While he understands the intent, he strongly feels that the Islam community wouldn't have cared if we did not adhere to the rules. Though of course we both realize, as do many and I'm sure was the true intent of the gov't that we didn't want to give any fodder to the extremists "LOOK WHAT THEY DID TO HIS BODY!!! THE AMERICAN DOGS!"
 

GuitarDaddy

Lifer
Nov 9, 2004
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Heh. I am coming to realize this too. Nothing but a bag of meat to us.

I did talk a bit to one of my very devote and heavily practicing and active Muslim friends. I asked him about how he felt about the US adhering to the burial rights of Islam for OBL and he basically said it was stupid and pointless. The mainstream Muslim community couldn't have cared less about the man and how his body was treated. While he understands the intent, he strongly feels that the Islam community wouldn't have cared if we did not adhere to the rules. Though of course we both realize, as do many and I'm sure was the true intent of the gov't that we didn't want to give any fodder to the extremists "LOOK WHAT THEY DID TO HIS BODY!!! THE AMERICAN DOGS!"

And imagine if they had kept the body, what then? They would have likely done something stupid like have congressional hearings over what we should do with it. I think the quick dump to the bottom of the ocean was the perfect ending for him. The only problem it presents is giving fodder to the conspiracy theorist and thats fine with me, whackos will be whackos and rational people will ignore them.
 

PimpJuice

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Feb 14, 2005
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No. He only became the top priority once we got him and Obama backtracked and lied more and said that he made it the top priority.

I can quote too.....

It's very telling how your first reaction to the great news is to try and make petty jabs at the POTUS by criticizing the level of priority and calling him a liar. I'm sure if it was the top priority, you would find a way to criticize that too.
 

Capt Caveman

Lifer
Jan 30, 2005
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Aww damn I missed it. I'll try and see if it's on Youtube or Hulu.

I'm sure the footage will be reshown thru their news shows. I've seen commercials showing footage of them walking thru the mansion.

Hope someday, they make all of the footage available. I think watching something like this go down would be pretty amazing to see.
 

Capt Caveman

Lifer
Jan 30, 2005
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I can quote too.....

It's very telling how your first reaction to the great news is to try and make petty jabs at the POTUS by criticizing the level of priority and calling him a liar. I'm sure if it was the top priority, you would find a way to criticize that too.

Ignore the troll. He's already been proven wrong. Heck, Obama told us that Bin Laden would be a top priority before he even became POTUS.
 

ibex333

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Mar 26, 2005
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Hundreds. Really? Out of a population of 311mm people, yes there are going to be people who are unhappy. Hence, those you see protesting. You are not the majority. Anyone who thinks the U.S. purposely killed their own civilians to start a war seriously needs to get the fuck out of this country that provides you the RIGHT to believe that.

And the people in Iraq are happy to have that right, now. If you're too blind to see that, perhaps you should ask a military member who has served. I know my uncle confirmed multiple times when I asked him how the locals were, and he said they loved the Americans for freeing them from Saddam. I bet the government stopped him on his way back from his deployment and brainwashed him into telling me that, right?

I was being modest with hundreds. Didn't want to overdo it. Off course it's much more.
Nice.. You're already telling me to leave the country.. What's next? Hell you are so damn overzealous in your defense of the govt, I bet you'd be one of the 1st to join the brownshirts in nazi germany.

Why would I ask the military about the level of happiness in Iraq? These guys are brainwashed long before they get deployed. Also, if there were armed Iraqis right here in US walking around with guns next to your house, I'd bet you'd tell them you're really happy too.

Look, I admitted in my previous post that there was indeed a number of Iraqis that were happy with what the US did in Iraq. But now that level of happiness is decreasing. I am not just saying this because I think that. I am saying this because I see it on the news, in the newspapers and online.
 

zinfamous

No Lifer
Jul 12, 2006
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SO, here's how it works today:

Economy: Obama's fault--not Bush! no way, Jose!

killing bin Laden: All Bush! not Obama! Fuck yeah, torture!!



sad era in idiocy for the USA as a whole.





despite the fact that every economist in the history of the discipline (and every political analyst, for that matter) has stated categorically that the POTUS has little to no effect, in the grand scheme of things, on how the economy works and where it goes, it remains, as it always has, the deciding factor in how they are elected.

Hilarious.
 

zinfamous

No Lifer
Jul 12, 2006
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Ya know, the more I think about it, the more I like that they just tossed him in the ocean. It must be burning the extremists up that we didn't make a big deal about it and didn't give them any pictures or anything to use as propaganda.

Just slip in, pop him in the head, toss him in the ocean, and peace out.

exactly. If baffles the mind that the nutters didn't realize this was the only option from the get-go.

it's like, #3 in check list of anti-terrorism strategy. Leave no martyrs, no shrine, nothing to rally behind. And, if you can appeal, if even in the smallest way, to any and all on the fence about going the extremist or legit route, you've completely tossed the fundy islamist propaganda back in the faces of the recruiters. Though, it's probably likely, I guess, that recruiting will still see a spike in recent weeks, but probably diminished compared to what would have happened had the US handled this differently.

seriously--producing a body or pics isn't going to convince the deniers anymore than they are convinced right now. "PHOTOSHOOP! IT'S SO OBVIOUS!"

fuckers still deny the moon landing, they reject the fundamental laws of physics to try and argue that the WTC was brought down by explosives.

Why the fuck should we worry about convincing the lunatics?
 
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