Osama bin Laden is dead

[mcmilljb]

There is some juicy stuff in this story.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/42882664/ns/world_news-death_of_bin_laden

The BBC reported that the Pakistani intelligence agency, ISI, released raid details that differed from White House version.

Among them:
•There were 17-18 people in the compound at the time of the attack.
•Americans took away one person still alive, possibly a Bin Laden son.
•Those who survived the attack included a wife, a daughter and eight to nine other children, not apparently Bin Laden's; all had their hands tied by the Americans.
•A surviving Yemeni wife said they had moved to the compound a few months ago.
•Bin Laden's daughter, aged 12 or 13, saw her father shot.

U.S. officials deny taking a prisoner, stating "the only person who left the compound besides the U.S. forces was Osama Bin Laden's body."

 

[Wyndru]

"I have seen a great number of poorly Photoshopped images in my time as a photographer and I can tell by the pixels that it is a fake," said Kenna Lindsay, a New York-based photographer who works with composite images.

http://www.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/asiapcf/05/03/bin.laden.fake.photo/index.html?hpt=T1

Haha, I wonder if he said this on purpose.

 

[Homerboy]

So now the story goes that he didn't use his wife as a shield.
That it was one of his aide's wives that ran in front of him to protect him.
And that he wasn't armed at the time, but did make "threatening movements" and we still double tapped him

I love this stuff.

 

[sdifox]

So now the story goes that he didn't use his wife as a shield.
That it was one of his aide's wives that ran in front of him to protect him.
And that he wasn't armed at the time, but did make "threatening movements" and we still double tapped him

I love this stuff.

post action reports are funny that way.

 

[Homerboy]

post action reports are funny that way.

yeap. I like the slow trickling out of info. Little snippets here and there painting a more detailed picture every day. Then eventually, at the end we'll get some footage or something. Its like a good, slow mystery novel

 

[Beev]

Do we know exactly which SEAL shot him? Or did the double tap? I'd be curious to know what was running through his mind.

 

[Josh]

Do we know exactly which SEAL shot him? Or did the double tap? I'd be curious to know what was running through his mind.

Kill Osama.

 

[gorcorps]

http://www.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/asiapcf/05/03/bin.laden.fake.photo/index.html?hpt=T1

Haha, I wonder if he said this on purpose.

It's almost verbatim what the meme is so I'd bet hard money she said it that way on purpose.

 

[Stuxnet]

There is some juicy stuff in this story.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/42882664/ns/world_news-death_of_bin_laden

MSNBC quoting the BBC who's voicing Pakistani views of the raid.

Really? You posted that trash?

 

[Homerboy]

Do we know exactly which SEAL shot him? Or did the double tap? I'd be curious to know what was running through his mind.

"Fortune and Glory kid. Fortune and Glory." - Indiana Jones

 

[Kev]

Oh the Pakistani "intelligence" agency said that? The "intelligence" agency that didn't know OBL was under their nose for 6 years? Really?

 

[sdifox]

Al-Qaeda confirms bin Laden is dead.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news...sama-bin-laden-killed-in-raid/article2012407/

CAIRO— The Associated Press

Published Friday, May. 06, 2011 8:29AM EDT Last updated Friday, May. 06, 2011 9:28AM EDT


Al-Qaeda has issued its first confirmation of Osama bin Laden's death in an Internet statement posted on militant websites.
The confirmation came in an Internet statement posted on militant websites, signed by “the general leadership” of al-Qaeda. The announcement opens the way for the group to name a successor to bin Laden. His deputy Ayman al-Zawahri is now the most prominent figure in the group and is a very likely contender to take his place.
The statement, dated May 3, was the first by the terror network since bin Laden was killed Monday by U.S. commandos in a raid on his hideout in Abbottabad, Pakistan. The statement's authenticity could not be independently confirmed, but it was posted on websites where the group traditionally puts out its messages.
“We stress that the blood of the holy warrior sheik, Osama bin Laden, God bless him, is precious to us and to all Muslims and will no go in vain,” the statement said. “We will remain, God willing, a curse chasing the Americans and their agents, following them outside and inside their countries.”
“Soon, God willing, their happiness will turn to sadness,” it said, “their blood will be mingled with their tears.”
In the statement, al-Qaeda also called on the people of Pakistan — “where Sheik Osama was killed” — to rise up in revolt against its leaders. It also said that an audio message bin Laden recorded a week before his death would be issued soon.
There was no indication how the group will retaliate. Rather than making vehement cries of vengeance, the statement — entitled “You lived as a good man, you died as a martyr” — struck a tone of calmness and continuation. Though it included praise of bin Laden, much of the 11-paragraph statement was dedicated to underlining that al-Qaeda would live on, depicting him as just another in a line of “martyrs” from the group.
Bin Laden was killed Monday by U.S. commandos during a raid on his hideout in Pakistan.
One of bin Laden’s wives told Pakistani interrogators that the al-Qaeda leader and his family had been living for five years in the compound, a security official said on Friday.
The official, who identified the woman as Amal Ahmed Abdulfattah, the youngest of bin Laden’s three wives, told Reuters she was wounded in the U.S. raid on Monday.
The security official said Abdulfattah told investigators: “We have been living there for the past five years.”
Both Pakistan’s army and its powerful spy agency, Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI), have been facing mounting pressure to explain how it was possible for bin Laden to live deep inside Pakistan undetected for years.
Pakistani security forces took between 15 and 16 people into custody from the compound after U.S. forces removed bin Laden’s body, said the security official. Those detained included bin Laden’s three wives and several children.
Some of the first intelligence was gleaned from the trove of information found in bin Laden's residence shows he was scheming how to hit the United States hard again.
When Navy SEALs killed bin Laden and four of his associates they took his body and scooped up computers, DVDs and documents. Those documents show al-Qaeda plans for derailing an American train on the upcoming 10th anniversary of the 9/11 attacks.
The confiscated materials reveal the rail attack planning as of February 2010. One idea outlined in handwritten notes was to tamper with an unspecified U.S. rail track so that a train would fall off the track at a valley or a bridge. Counterterrorism officials said they believe the plot was only in the initial planning stages, and there is no recent intelligence about any active plan for such an attack. The FBI and Homeland Security issued an intelligence bulletin with details of the plan to law enforcement around the country. The bulletin, marked “for official use only,” was obtained by The Associated Press.
Other intelligence pulled from the compound represented a terrorist wish list but has revealed no specific plan so far. Some documents indicated a desire to strike the U.S. with large-scale attacks in major cities and on key dates such as anniversaries and holidays. But there never was any sign that those were anything more than ambitions, said a U.S. official who spoke on condition of anonymity to discuss the intelligence.
The writers of the al-Qaeda statement appeared unaware of the announcement by American officials that bin Laden's body had been buried at sea. The statement warned against mishandling or mistreating bin Laden's body and demanded that be handed over to his family, saying “any harm (to the body) will open more doors of evil, and there will be no one to blame but yourselves.”
With files from Reuters

 

[trmiv]

Al-Qaeda confirms bin Laden is dead.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news...sama-bin-laden-killed-in-raid/article2012407/

CAIRO— The Associated Press

Published Friday, May. 06, 2011 8:29AM EDT Last updated Friday, May. 06, 2011 9:28AM EDT


Al-Qaeda has issued its first confirmation of Osama bin Laden's death in an Internet statement posted on militant websites.
The confirmation came in an Internet statement posted on militant websites, signed by “the general leadership” of al-Qaeda. The announcement opens the way for the group to name a successor to bin Laden. His deputy Ayman al-Zawahri is now the most prominent figure in the group and is a very likely contender to take his place.
The statement, dated May 3, was the first by the terror network since bin Laden was killed Monday by U.S. commandos in a raid on his hideout in Abbottabad, Pakistan. The statement's authenticity could not be independently confirmed, but it was posted on websites where the group traditionally puts out its messages.
“We stress that the blood of the holy warrior sheik, Osama bin Laden, God bless him, is precious to us and to all Muslims and will no go in vain,” the statement said. “We will remain, God willing, a curse chasing the Americans and their agents, following them outside and inside their countries.”
“Soon, God willing, their happiness will turn to sadness,” it said, “their blood will be mingled with their tears.”
In the statement, al-Qaeda also called on the people of Pakistan — “where Sheik Osama was killed” — to rise up in revolt against its leaders. It also said that an audio message bin Laden recorded a week before his death would be issued soon.
There was no indication how the group will retaliate. Rather than making vehement cries of vengeance, the statement — entitled “You lived as a good man, you died as a martyr” — struck a tone of calmness and continuation. Though it included praise of bin Laden, much of the 11-paragraph statement was dedicated to underlining that al-Qaeda would live on, depicting him as just another in a line of “martyrs” from the group.
Bin Laden was killed Monday by U.S. commandos during a raid on his hideout in Pakistan.
One of bin Laden’s wives told Pakistani interrogators that the al-Qaeda leader and his family had been living for five years in the compound, a security official said on Friday.
The official, who identified the woman as Amal Ahmed Abdulfattah, the youngest of bin Laden’s three wives, told Reuters she was wounded in the U.S. raid on Monday.
The security official said Abdulfattah told investigators: “We have been living there for the past five years.”
Both Pakistan’s army and its powerful spy agency, Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI), have been facing mounting pressure to explain how it was possible for bin Laden to live deep inside Pakistan undetected for years.
Pakistani security forces took between 15 and 16 people into custody from the compound after U.S. forces removed bin Laden’s body, said the security official. Those detained included bin Laden’s three wives and several children.
Some of the first intelligence was gleaned from the trove of information found in bin Laden's residence shows he was scheming how to hit the United States hard again.
When Navy SEALs killed bin Laden and four of his associates they took his body and scooped up computers, DVDs and documents. Those documents show al-Qaeda plans for derailing an American train on the upcoming 10th anniversary of the 9/11 attacks.
The confiscated materials reveal the rail attack planning as of February 2010. One idea outlined in handwritten notes was to tamper with an unspecified U.S. rail track so that a train would fall off the track at a valley or a bridge. Counterterrorism officials said they believe the plot was only in the initial planning stages, and there is no recent intelligence about any active plan for such an attack. The FBI and Homeland Security issued an intelligence bulletin with details of the plan to law enforcement around the country. The bulletin, marked “for official use only,” was obtained by The Associated Press.
Other intelligence pulled from the compound represented a terrorist wish list but has revealed no specific plan so far. Some documents indicated a desire to strike the U.S. with large-scale attacks in major cities and on key dates such as anniversaries and holidays. But there never was any sign that those were anything more than ambitions, said a U.S. official who spoke on condition of anonymity to discuss the intelligence.
The writers of the al-Qaeda statement appeared unaware of the announcement by American officials that bin Laden's body had been buried at sea. The statement warned against mishandling or mistreating bin Laden's body and demanded that be handed over to his family, saying “any harm (to the body) will open more doors of evil, and there will be no one to blame but yourselves.”
With files from Reuters

LOL, these statements from Al-Qaeda always crack me up, it's like cheesy stuff right out of a bad 80's movie.

“Soon, God willing, their happiness will turn to sadness,” it said, “their blood will be mingled with their tears.”

Reminds me of that Colonel Nakesh guy from the movie Iron Eagle. "American pigs"

 

[sdifox]

LOL, these statements from Al-Qaeda always crack me up, it's like cheesy stuff right out of a bad 80's movie.

“Soon, God willing, their happiness will turn to sadness,” it said, “their blood will be mingled with their tears.”

Reminds me of that Colonel Nakesh guy from the movie Iron Eagle. "American pigs"

I don't care about the other stuff they said. They are confirming OBL is toast, that is all I care.

 

[sdifox]

Oh the Pakistani "intelligence" agency said that? The "intelligence" agency that didn't know OBL was under their nose for 6 years? Really?

they are walking on a very sharp knife edge.

 

[maddogchen]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/yblog_exclu...he-cost-of-bin-laden-3-trillion-over-15-years

Security and intelligence overhauls: $1 trillion
Iraq war: $2 trillion
Search for Osama: $3 trillion
Afghanistan war: $4 trillion and counting
2 bullets in Osama's head: priceless

For everything else, there's MasterCard

 

[Farmer]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/yblog_exclu...he-cost-of-bin-laden-3-trillion-over-15-years

Security and intelligence overhauls: $1 trillion
Iraq war: $2 trillion
Search for Osama: $3 trillion
Afghanistan war: $4 trillion and counting
2 bullets in Osama's head: priceless

For everything else, there's MasterCard

I thought that was a very good article.

 

[Homerboy]

Whats creepy about intel they recovered is the planned (or so-called planned) train attacks.
It doesn't seem like it would be too hard to derail a train atop a high bridge and cause some serious life-loss,

I'd imagine too it'd be a very hard thing to deter.

 

[qliveur]

Honorable he was not, but he was still an adversary worthy of our steel, and he got it; in the form of a steel-cored bullet. :thumbsup:

 

[SAWYER]

I wonder if Craig and the green bean have had grief consoling yet

 

[ManBearPig]

so...ive been thinking, and i know this sounds kind of ridiculous and that all those SEALs risked their lives and are heroes, etc...but the more i think about it, the more it seems to me like it was 24+ of the most well trained soldiers on earth vs 3 guys with guns and a couple girls, in the middle of the night when they werent expecting it.

also fuck about the tail of that helicopter.

 

[dwell]

http://www.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/asiapcf/05/03/bin.laden.fake.photo/index.html?hpt=T1

Haha, I wonder if he said this on purpose.

Haha, that's awesome. Had to be intentional.

 

[zinfamous]

so...ive been thinking, and i know this sounds kind of ridiculous and that all those SEALs risked their lives and are heros, etc...but the more i think about it, the more it seems to me like it was 24+ of the most well trained soldiers on earth vs 3 guys with guns and a couple girls, in the middle of the night when they werent expecting it.

also fuck about the tail of that helicopter.

they didn't know what was in there. All of the best available intel pointed to "high probability of the bin Laden fuckstick."

you don't go in to an opportunity to neutralize the most dangerous man in the world unprepared, and under-armed. You sure as shit expect this compound to be well-defended, no?


as it turns out, the man was a weak coward. completely unprepared. would you rather our SEALs have wandered into a viper's nest, completely outgunned, cornered, and taken hostage and displayed across the al Qaeda network as trophies for their cause?


it's funny to look back on the planning, and the flawless execution in hindsight, and criticize the end result.

well, it's not funny. it's stupid.

 

[Rudee]

How was it OBL was "double-tapped" yet was shot once in the head and once in the chest? Both shots should be in the same area.

 

[ManBearPig]

they didn't know what was in there. All of the best available intel pointed to "high probability of the bin Laden fuckstick."

you don't go in to an opportunity to neutralize the most dangerous man in the world unprepared, and under-armed. You sure as shit expect this compound to be well-defended, no?


as it turns out, the man was a weak coward. completely unprepared. would you rather our SEALs have wandered into a viper's nest, completely outgunned, cornered, and taken hostage and displayed across the al Qaeda network as trophies for their cause?


it's funny to look back on the planning, and the flawless execution in hindsight, and criticize the end result.

well, it's not funny. it's stupid.

wait a sec, im not sure if youre just thinking aloud or youre trying to say im an idiot heh.

if its the latter, i never said i would have rather had our SEALs walk into a "vipers nest" and i said nothing about preparedness. in fact i agree with all your points (i did say they "risked their lives and are heroes").

All im saying is it doesnt seem as crazy when you think of it as a few dudes in the middle of the night vs 24 elite warriors and that it doesnt seem as large of a risk in hindsight.