Oscar nominations are out

[imported_Salvatore]

I'm surprised Madagascar 2 didn't get a nomination for best animated feature. I think that got the shaft more than TDK.

 

[zinfamous]

Originally posted by: Slick5150

Originally posted by: Marlin1975
Dark knight was not that good. Yea if you are a M.Bay type fan then you might think it was great. But in terms of a movie lasting, it will not hold.

Uhh.. I HATE Michael Bay movies (I really wanted to walk out of Transformers I got so annoyed with it), and though Dark Knight was amazing. I really can't see how you can even compare the two.

he's not comparing. He's just saying that the type of person that thinks The Dark Knight is brilliant or original is likely the type of person that also likes Michael Bay films.

meaning, in comparison to the ave action flick, TDK is really good. If that's your bar, then you'd be expected to imagine it actually being brilliant.

In comparison to Academy level movies, it's not. It remains a good action flick.

So no, it did not get shafted. It was not in contention.

 

[zinfamous]

Originally posted by: Lamont Burns
Ledger got nominated, I think that's all that was warranted.

:thumbsup:

 

[zinfamous]

If Rourke doesn't win I'm gonna burn the building down.

Still need to see Frost/Nixon and Slumdog

 

[zinfamous]

Originally posted by: JDub02

Originally posted by: TallBill

Originally posted by: JDub02
My nominations for Best Picture are Iron Man and The Dark Knight. Why? Because they were the most entertaining movies released this year, that's why. And that's what movies are supposed to do ... entertain.

That's how dad did it. That's how America does it. And it's worked out pretty well so far.

Start your own movie award ceremony then.

I have. It's called the wallet award. Good movies = purchase.

You also have a very narrow concept of "entertainment." Art and creativity would suffer under your despotic hegemony.

 

[Baked]

I hope Brad Pitt wins. Rourke is a disgusting piece of crap.

 

[miketheidiot]

Originally posted by: StinkyPinky
Gladiator was an awesome movie. Crowe and Phoenix were brilliant

whoever was saying that tdk was a better movie than gladiator has completely lost it.

 

[cirrhosis]

Originally posted by: zinfamous

Originally posted by: Lamont Burns
Ledger got nominated, I think that's all that was warranted.

:thumbsup:

:thumbsup:

 

[JJChicken]

Originally posted by: Inspector Jihad
wait, is it cool to hate the dark knight now?? damn it, i can't keep up with the cool internet yuppies.

word man, word

 

[BrownTown]

Originally posted by: cirrhosis

Originally posted by: zinfamous

Originally posted by: Lamont Burns
Ledger got nominated, I think that's all that was warranted.

:thumbsup:

:thumbsup:

I agree, the movie has little depth to it, its just a fun action movie that you watch and have a great time, but it doesn't stick with you. The only philosophical point I got out of it was that George Bush really is a good guy and the movie is a metaphor for the war in Iraq, and I don't even think that's what the director intended.

As for "internet yuppie" crap, I can assure you I am not swayed by the idiocies f most movie lovers sites, I though the same thing after watching the movie as I do now. Its a great movie, but its not a DEEP movie. Think of like Predator, the ultimate manly movie, with all that muscle and sweat and adrenaline it just kicks ass and takes name, but it doesn't deserve an OSCAR...

 

[JJChicken]

dark knight is one of the best movies of all time

 

[lifeobry]

Originally posted by: Barack Obama
dark knight is one of the best movies of all time

Do people actually believe this or am I getting trolled

 

[JJChicken]

Originally posted by: lifeobry

Originally posted by: Barack Obama
dark knight is one of the best movies of all time

Do people actually believe this or am I getting trolled

http://forums.anandtech.com/me...y&keyword1=dark+knight

Enuff said.

 

[WaTaGuMp]

Now the burning question, will Ledger actually win? I havent seen enough of the movies to judge, he was amazing in TDK but that was all, I agree the film is not all that and actually liked Batman Begins much more.

 

[torpid]

Originally posted by: zinfamous

Originally posted by: Slick5150

Originally posted by: Marlin1975
Dark knight was not that good. Yea if you are a M.Bay type fan then you might think it was great. But in terms of a movie lasting, it will not hold.

Uhh.. I HATE Michael Bay movies (I really wanted to walk out of Transformers I got so annoyed with it), and though Dark Knight was amazing. I really can't see how you can even compare the two.

he's not comparing. He's just saying that the type of person that thinks The Dark Knight is brilliant or original is likely the type of person that also likes Michael Bay films.

meaning, in comparison to the ave action flick, TDK is really good. If that's your bar, then you'd be expected to imagine it actually being brilliant.

In comparison to Academy level movies, it's not. It remains a good action flick.

So no, it did not get shafted. It was not in contention.

I'm pretty skeptical that The Reader and Benjamin Button were better than The Dark Knight. I suppose I will have to see them to say for sure, but all indications are that they are not great movies. There are movies that may be even more deserving than The Dark Knight, but compared to those two I find it likely that The Dark Knight was better. I would like to see either the Dark Knight or Wall-E in one spot and The Wrestler in the other occupied by those two movies.

Some quick research indicates the following interesting findings:

The Reader
Rotten Tomatoes: 60%
MetaCritic: 58
On only 4 of metacritic's "critic's top ten lists" of 2008 (zero in the top 3)

The Curious Case of Benjamin Button
Rotten Tomatoes: 72%
Metacritic: 69
On only 11 of metacritic's top 10 lists (4 in the top 3)

Milk
RT: 92%
Meta: 84
On 32 of metacritic's top 10 (11 top 3)

Slumdog Millionaire
RT: 95%
Meta: 86
On 29 of meta's top 10s (17 top 3)

Frost/Nixon
RT: 91%
Meta: 80
On 13 of meta's top 10s (2 top 3)

The Wrestler
RT: 98%
Meta: 81
On 19 of meta's top 10s (6 top 3)

Wall-E
RT: 96%
Meta: 93
On 45 top 10s (25 top 3)

The Dark Knight
RT: 94%
Meta: 82
On 33 top 10s (17 top 3)

The reader is over 30% lower rated on rotten tomatoes and 20 lower on metacritic than the last 6 above. It is 34% lower than The Dark Knight and appears on 17 fewer top 10 lists).
The Curious Case of Benjamin Button is 20% lower rated than the last 6 on rotten tomatoes and 10-15 points on metacritic.

I'd say film critics on the whole, people paid to watch movies who overall tend to have more refined taste than your typical Michael Bay fans, tend to agree with the notion that The Dark Knight was a very good movie, and that other movies may be more appropriate films to list as "Best Picture."

Unfortunately it's not up to them. It's up to people in the academy, who tend to fall head over heels for Leonardo DiCaprio, Kate Winslet, Ron Howard, and Cate Blanchett.

 

[cpmer]

I dislike michael bay movies but thought dark knight was very good movie

 

[pontifex]

Originally posted by: ViviTheMage
WTF, they chose a lot of craptastic movies/actors in my opinion.....and ledger got the only nomination, because he died while making the flick.

fixed

 

[mugs]

Originally posted by: Fingolfin269

Originally posted by: Slick5150
Nice of the academy to continue to refuse to accept that anything other than a traditional drama can be good. And they continue to make themselves more and more irrelevant to the average movie goer.

Bolded = MTV Movie Awards

Or any number of other awards.

I agree with the general sentiment here that the Heath Ledger for best supporting actor was the one award (out of the ones listed in the OP) that The Dark Knight deserved to be nominated for. The list in the OP is obviously not comprehensive. It was probably nominated for other awards like makeup, costume design, visual effects and what have you.

Actually I just looked. In addition to Heath Ledger's nomination, TDK was nominated for:
Art Direction
Cinematography
Film Editing
Makeup
Sound Editing
Sound Mixing
Visual Effects

7 nominations for the film and one for an actor in the film... that's pretty darn good.

 

[zinfamous]

Originally posted by: BrownTown

Originally posted by: cirrhosis

Originally posted by: zinfamous

Originally posted by: Lamont Burns
Ledger got nominated, I think that's all that was warranted.

:thumbsup:

:thumbsup:

I agree, the movie has little depth to it, its just a fun action movie that you watch and have a great time, but it doesn't stick with you. The only philosophical point I got out of it was that George Bush really is a good guy and the movie is a metaphor for the war in Iraq, and I don't even think that's what the director intended.

As for "internet yuppie" crap, I can assure you I am not swayed by the idiocies f most movie lovers sites, I though the same thing after watching the movie as I do now. Its a great movie, but its not a DEEP movie. Think of like Predator, the ultimate manly movie, with all that muscle and sweat and adrenaline it just kicks ass and takes name, but it doesn't deserve an OSCAR...

Whoa Whoa Whoa!!!

TDK is NOT better than Predator. :|

 

[zinfamous]

Originally posted by: torpid

Originally posted by: zinfamous

Originally posted by: Slick5150

Originally posted by: Marlin1975
Dark knight was not that good. Yea if you are a M.Bay type fan then you might think it was great. But in terms of a movie lasting, it will not hold.

Uhh.. I HATE Michael Bay movies (I really wanted to walk out of Transformers I got so annoyed with it), and though Dark Knight was amazing. I really can't see how you can even compare the two.

he's not comparing. He's just saying that the type of person that thinks The Dark Knight is brilliant or original is likely the type of person that also likes Michael Bay films.

meaning, in comparison to the ave action flick, TDK is really good. If that's your bar, then you'd be expected to imagine it actually being brilliant.

In comparison to Academy level movies, it's not. It remains a good action flick.

So no, it did not get shafted. It was not in contention.

I'm pretty skeptical that The Reader and Benjamin Button were better than The Dark Knight. I suppose I will have to see them to say for sure, but all indications are that they are not great movies. There are movies that may be even more deserving than The Dark Knight, but compared to those two I find it likely that The Dark Knight was better. I would like to see either the Dark Knight or Wall-E in one spot and The Wrestler in the other occupied by those two movies.

Some quick research indicates the following interesting findings:

The Reader
Rotten Tomatoes: 60%
MetaCritic: 58
On only 4 of metacritic's "critic's top ten lists" of 2008 (zero in the top 3)

The Curious Case of Benjamin Button
Rotten Tomatoes: 72%
Metacritic: 69
On only 11 of metacritic's top 10 lists (4 in the top 3)

Milk
RT: 92%
Meta: 84
On 32 of metacritic's top 10 (11 top 3)

Slumdog Millionaire
RT: 95%
Meta: 86
On 29 of meta's top 10s (17 top 3)

Frost/Nixon
RT: 91%
Meta: 80
On 13 of meta's top 10s (2 top 3)

The Wrestler
RT: 98%
Meta: 81
On 19 of meta's top 10s (6 top 3)

Wall-E
RT: 96%
Meta: 93
On 45 top 10s (25 top 3)

The Dark Knight
RT: 94%
Meta: 82
On 33 top 10s (17 top 3)

The reader is over 30% lower rated on rotten tomatoes and 20 lower on metacritic than the last 6 above. It is 34% lower than The Dark Knight and appears on 17 fewer top 10 lists).
The Curious Case of Benjamin Button is 20% lower rated than the last 6 on rotten tomatoes and 10-15 points on metacritic.

I'd say film critics on the whole, people paid to watch movies who overall tend to have more refined taste than your typical Michael Bay fans, tend to agree with the notion that The Dark Knight was a very good movie, and that other movies may be more appropriate films to list as "Best Picture."

Unfortunately it's not up to them. It's up to people in the academy, who tend to fall head over heels for Leonardo DiCaprio, Kate Winslet, Ron Howard, and Cate Blanchett.

The reader is indeed a shock. I haven't read a good review about it; only that it fails on many of the conceits that it tries to address. My only explanation of that one showing up is, well...perhaps you should ask ICRS or Dvad3r? :evil:

Also, while I haven't seen doubt, I've read that Streep and Hoffman more or less slept their ways through a crappy movie. And this is from respected critics. And whatever you want to say about the Academy vs the critics, all of them qualify for voting.

And I don't think The Reader stole TDK's spot. It stole Wall*E's spot.

Regardless, it's pretty naive to think that Winslet DiCaprio, Blanchett, etc. don't perform well above average.

 

[grrl]

Originally posted by: Slick5150
Nice of the academy to continue to refuse to accept that anything other than a traditional drama can be good. And they continue to make themselves more and more irrelevant to the average movie goer.

When were they ever relevant?

 

[Skyclad1uhm1]

Originally posted by: WaTaGuMp
Now the burning question, will Ledger actually win? I havent seen enough of the movies to judge, he was amazing in TDK but that was all, I agree the film is not all that and actually liked Batman Begins much more.

Indeed. Didn't think Ledger was amazing, but he was quite good. But still, Batman Begins only had one lame scene, and TDK had far more. Batman Begins focusses on that he is a welltrained human being with lots of gadgets, but still a human being. Yet at the metro scene he suddenly has no problems surviving stuff that would at least dislocate some limbs, if not break them or tear them off.

However TDK has more scenes like that. The Joker doesn't want to kill Batman, but does try to fire a rocket at the car he is in. And not only that, he waits 10 minutes with firing it until the real Batman has arrived in his Batmobile, while he didn't wait with firing any of the other rockets. It was like watching a bad episode of The A-Team...

Sure, TDK has lots of good scenes too, and I still think it's better than several of the nominated movies. But that's at least partially because I prefer a decent action movie over 95% of the dramas.

 

[Dr. Detroit]

The Wrestler - expected to see this on the Best Picture, Director or Screenplay one as well.
If you have not seen it, its a great movie.


Clint deserved a nod for Gran Torino and I think the Screenplay also deserved a nomination.

 

[Imdmn04]

Wall-E had great animation, but the storyline was boring as shit. Kung-fu panda > Wall-E.

 

[zerocool84]

Originally posted by: Fmr12B
The Wrestler - expected to see this on the Best Picture, Director or Screenplay one as well.
If you have not seen it, its a great movie.

Best movie of the year IMO. It sucks though that many people cannot even see it since it's such a limited release. Hell even here in Los Angeles there aren't even that many places to see it. I'm glad Dark Knight didn't get nominated. It was overhyped. Gran Torino was good but not that good but still better than many movies out there.