ot enjoying it.

sunzt

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you Can go to major banks and consultants (UBS, Morgan Stanley, Accenture, Deloitte, etc), but you'll probably end up doing IT or software development.

You should do a masters in finance if you wanna move into true business fields.
 

SeductivePig

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forget happiness, go for $$$

What I found in the past 5 months is that much of my happiness comes from the environment I'm in and the people I work with. I've been sheltered from women and white people a lot, and I'm sick of always having to be around minorities. I don't hate minorities but I feel like I'm missing out on life by not hanging out with people outside my race.


you Can go to major banks and consultants (UBS, Morgan Stanley, Accenture, Deloitte, etc), but you'll probably end up doing IT or software development.

You should do a masters in finance if you wanna move into true business fields.

I don't know any programming except basic C, and I highly doubt I'd qualify for those positions at this point because of my experience level and GPA.
 

Farang

Lifer
Jul 7, 2003
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I think engineers overestimate how lucrative their field is. Finance is likely more lucrative, as long as you're the one arranging for the exchange of money and not just a peon analyzing the possible outcomes, risks, etc. of someone else's decision.

Engineering is a trade, you are commodity, so while you may be a very high demand commodity your income will always be capped at a certain level unless you go into business for yourself and monetize your work yourself, rather than look for paychecks through a company's open requisition. The company has that requisition open because they see minimal risk and a certain amount of profit out of the work you'll do for them at the desk they provide.

You're not the smartest guy--then what are you? What are you good at?
 

BoomerD

No Lifer
Feb 26, 2006
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Welcome to adulthood. No one ever promised you that you'd love your job...

Sometimes you get lucky...sometimes you just go to work.
 

SandEagle

Lifer
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i know a girl who graduated with a finance.degree from a mediocre school and got a job right away making 80k.
 

purbeast0

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I think engineers overestimate how lucrative their field is. Finance is likely more lucrative, as long as you're the one arranging for the exchange of money and not just a peon analyzing the possible outcomes, risks, etc. of someone else's decision.

Engineering is a trade, you are commodity, so while you may be a very high demand commodity your income will always be capped at a certain level unless you go into business for yourself and monetize your work yourself, rather than look for paychecks through a company's open requisition. The company has that requisition open because they see minimal risk and a certain amount of profit out of the work you'll do for them at the desk they provide.

You're not the smartest guy--then what are you? What are you good at?

i dunno man, i've moved up the ladder pay wise as a software engineer (developer). and i really only have nowhere else to go but up. it didn't happen right away, but playing my cards right and some good luck, i'm doing pretty well off for being 30 years old.

the difference between me and OP though is I really enjoy what i do. i will admit, my first 4-5 years out of school or so, all at the same job, i did not enjoy it as much as i do now, and now i'm about 8 years in the industry.

at my first job, i thought and felt more like i was just working a job. now i honestly feel that i have a career in this field, and i strive to be the best, and it's paid off with where i am with my pay. i do some development work on my own spare time with ios/android apps and making money off of that as well.

i too did not have the best grades after college. i think i barely had over a 3.0, but that only really mattered getting my first job. i just know that for me personally, it took quite a few years to start to feel like i was in a career and started enjoying it. i am lucky enough that i don't dread going to work every day and actually enjoy going.

additionally, in my field, having a masters doesn't mean you are better than someone w/out it. you can be much better than someone w/a masters if you know your stuff.

sorry now i feel like i'm rambling heh.
 

SeductivePig

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i dunno man, i've moved up the ladder pay wise as a software engineer (developer). and i really only have nowhere else to go but up. it didn't happen right away, but playing my cards right and some good luck, i'm doing pretty well off for being 30 years old.

the difference between me and OP though is I really enjoy what i do. i will admit, my first 4-5 years out of school or so, all at the same job, i did not enjoy it as much as i do now, and now i'm about 8 years in the industry.

at my first job, i thought and felt more like i was just working a job. now i honestly feel that i have a career in this field, and i strive to be the best, and it's paid off with where i am with my pay. i do some development work on my own spare time with ios/android apps and making money off of that as well.

i too did not have the best grades after college. i think i barely had over a 3.0, but that only really mattered getting my first job. i just know that for me personally, it took quite a few years to start to feel like i was in a career and started enjoying it. i am lucky enough that i don't dread going to work every day and actually enjoy going.

additionally, in my field, having a masters doesn't mean you are better than someone w/out it. you can be much better than someone w/a masters if you know your stuff.

sorry now i feel like i'm rambling heh.

How much do you make? I started at 61k and fear that I may not even break 80k by the time I'm 30.
 

the DRIZZLE

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Given the job market, there is no chance of you moving laterally into a pure finance role with your current background. If you work for a large engineering firm that has a consulting group, they probably have a few people who specialize in financial modeling. You might be able to get yourself staffed to assist one of them. If you did that for a few years you would have a better chance of moving to a finance role outside of engineering.

The other option is to tough it out for another year and then go for an MBA or MS in finance but your GPA and lack of business experience make it unlikely that you will get into a top school.
 

Leros

Lifer
Jul 11, 2004
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I majored in EE and got a job in software. I found EE to be more fun academically, but I'd rather write software every day than do EE all day.

Most of my EE friend with low GPAs got jobs in engineering sales and other engineering-related support roles.
 

SeductivePig

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Do you live in downtown NY?

Chicago

I majored in EE and got a job in software. I found EE to be more fun academically, but I'd rather write software every day than do EE all day.

Most of my EE friend with low GPAs got jobs in engineering sales and other engineering-related support roles.

I have a ton of connections in the IT industry.. my own dad works for united healthcare. If I learned some software programming I'm 99% sure I could transition to IT if I wanted.. possibly get into a business oriented role. That's my only real shot.
 

gevorg

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Finance jobs are in the epicenter of office politics, gossip, backstabbing, etc. Sure you want to deal with that? You can always play around in the stock market once you save some $$$.

America needs more STEM folks like you.
 

purbeast0

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How much do you make? I started at 61k and fear that I may not even break 80k by the time I'm 30.

i started at 48k when i was 22 and am making significantly more than 80k now and i'm 30 and will have been in the industry 8 years in september. i was making 62k when i left my first company when i was 28 but jumped up to 75k at the new company i went to.

then that company gave me a raise and ended up losing the contract after i was there a year and about 8 months, but the new company that ended up on the contract took me on board and i only went there because i had a significant raise.

now i'm at a new company that i've been at almost a month now and am making even more.

while at the time it sucked that the company lost the contract, because the company was really awesome and it SUCKED with the new company, in hindsight it is the best thing that could have ever happened to me career wise.

i'd be pretty confident you can make over 80k by the time you are 30. you're starting out nearly 20k more than i did and making just as much almost as i was after 5 years in the industry. you will be ok
 

SeductivePig

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i started at 48k when i was 22 and am making significantly more than 80k now and i'm 30 and will have been in the industry 8 years in september. i was making 62k when i left my first company when i was 28 but jumped up to 75k at the new company i went to.

then that company gave me a raise and ended up losing the contract after i was there a year and about 8 months, but the new company that ended up on the contract took me on board and i only went there because i had a significant raise.

now i'm at a new company that i've been at almost a month now and am making even more.

while at the time it sucked that the company lost the contract, because the company was really awesome and it SUCKED with the new company, in hindsight it is the best thing that could have ever happened to me career wise.

i'd be pretty confident you can make over 80k by the time you are 30. you're starting out nearly 20k more than i did and making just as much almost as i was after 5 years in the industry. you will be ok

If I stay with the same company though, there are supposedly 3-5% increases.. mathematically it's impossible for me to reach past 85k in 6 years (I'm 24).
 

SeductivePig

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You get larger raises by switching companies.

My manager told me that if I was good I could become project manager within 3 years (I work for a consulting company).

Yet I asked him how much he makes (project manager who's 29 years old) and I don't think he's over 100k.. and he's been with the company 6 years.

There's another senior guy who's 38 that doesn't even make 100k..
 

purbeast0

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My manager told me that if I was good I could become project manager within 3 years (I work for a consulting company).

Yet I asked him how much he makes (project manager who's 29 years old) and I don't think he's over 100k.. and he's been with the company 6 years.

There's another senior guy who's 38 that doesn't even make 100k..

then if that is the case, jump jobs. you don't get huge raises staying at the same company typically.

my only regret is that i stayed at my first job out of school so long. 5.5 years i stayed there. my new job is a couple miles from that place, and i eat lunch w/the guys i used to work every now and then. they are all still there and they all started when i did too, fresh out of school.

i'd be shocked if they are making $75k for the most part. that is about where i probably would be if i stayed there. they also aren't learning anything new and using same old technology they were before. they aren't going to be marketable.
 

silverpig

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Do it for a few years, but do it well. Get promoted, get good reviews, then do an MBA.
 

Farang

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i dunno man, i've moved up the ladder pay wise as a software engineer (developer). and i really only have nowhere else to go but up. it didn't happen right away, but playing my cards right and some good luck, i'm doing pretty well off for being 30 years old.

the difference between me and OP though is I really enjoy what i do. i will admit, my first 4-5 years out of school or so, all at the same job, i did not enjoy it as much as i do now, and now i'm about 8 years in the industry.

at my first job, i thought and felt more like i was just working a job. now i honestly feel that i have a career in this field, and i strive to be the best, and it's paid off with where i am with my pay. i do some development work on my own spare time with ios/android apps and making money off of that as well.

i too did not have the best grades after college. i think i barely had over a 3.0, but that only really mattered getting my first job. i just know that for me personally, it took quite a few years to start to feel like i was in a career and started enjoying it. i am lucky enough that i don't dread going to work every day and actually enjoy going.

additionally, in my field, having a masters doesn't mean you are better than someone w/out it. you can be much better than someone w/a masters if you know your stuff.

sorry now i feel like i'm rambling heh.

You sound at the higher tier with your own mobile apps etc., where I'm coming from is most engineers sitting $50-$80k their first 5 years, then $80k-$95k their next 5, then if they are really good they get into the $95k-$120k area for the rest of their career. I talk about this as a recruiter of software engineers.

Obviously enjoyment, etc. is key. If you love what you do at $80k, I don't think you should take money into account anymore you've got enough to live comfortably. But there is definitely a cap in place unless you go into business for yourself.

Point being, unless you really enjoy it going after credentials (MBA, M.S., etc.) isn't very rewarding. It is a better idea to put yourself in the middle of transactions because those people (usually sales people) make as much if not more than someone with the most sterling credentials.
 

Johnnie Walker

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If I stay with the same company though, there are supposedly 3-5% increases.. mathematically it's impossible for me to reach past 85k in 6 years (I'm 24).

Work for now, save money, learn something new along the way. Stay sheltered from women, they wont be able to take your money. Ha. Definitely save something for when you need to transition later.
I've always been good in math/science, materials, CADD, etc. I thought auto/diesel tech and engineering (mostly industrial) is where I wanted to be. Yes, its good money. I really enjoy CADD and am good at it. Going that route meow. I like working on my stuff, and other stuff on my own terms. Most shops suck. I dislike dealing with the public, so not really my thing.
All that said, Keep the job consistency for meow, and figure out what you want to do.
 
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