OT - Spam management etc..

Dantoo

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Dec 15, 1999
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Just set this machine up to run DPAD and checked my mail on it while doing so. Inbox full of viruses and Viagara rubbish as usual. Of course the spam comes from 2sduye746@hotmail.com and the viruses from spoofed email addresses that are just innocent parties.

I see that attempts to get Sender ID failed over licencing of Microsoft content (MARID was that it?) have fizzled.

Frustration. Why can't this stuff be handled as follows? Or is it already and just doesn't work:

1. SMTP server checks incoming mail for membership of its domain AND OR range of IP addresses
2. IF valid THEN GOTO 3; IF not valid THEN STOP (This works to halt traffic via open relay servers too)
3. Append to the mail message: Server name; IP address of Server (Post Office Stamp)
4. Append to the mail message: TIME; IP address of origin of message and MAC address if present or port if dial up (Stamp cancellation)

In short, the first smtp server receiving an unstamped mail will either stamp it or reject it dead.

POP servers check if mail is properly stamped and cancelled by SMTP server.

How to check validity of orginating stamp as per line 1.
If stamp appears valid then check server for validity. I see at least 2 possible ways to do this. Firstly a simple protocol like "Ping" could be used to see if its a True server or a phantom. If it doesn't answer then mail goes to a sin bin where it can wait for (time) whence it is checked again. Second failure and it is ditched. Maybe something even shorter sweeter and cleverer than "ping" could be used for server-exists validity. Second way could be a central registry of valid server certificates (like a DNS) that could be checked authoritively for server validity. There are bound to be other ways.

Surely this would allow email to be tracked to origin fairly quickly, beating the spoofs and giving the spammers a hard time and also pointing to the place a virus first appeared?






 

Wiz

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Feb 5, 2000
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heheheh...
in a perfect world...

do you have any notion at all how many different types of mail servers there are in operation, how many versions of each, and just how many internet email servers there are in the world?

Get a group of ten of them in a room and try to get them all to do things "right".
There's no way in heck you will succeed, not to mention trying to get tens or hundreds of thousands of them to do things the way you think they should be done.

The SMTP system will not be easily replaced, being very widely adopted. It can however be modified and there are good attempts being made at that now.

For now I personally use a combination of protections.

1. on my internet email server I employ dnsrbl checks, AI, filtering and other methods to block boatloads of the stuff.

2. on my client side I use Spambayes, sorts the bad stuff out.

3. also using AVG Outlook plugin separates out virii automatically
 
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