Our era's American civil rights issue: A milestone on gay discrimination

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Amused

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Dude just because you support gay marriage doesn't absolved you from all the racial hatred you have spouted on here the last decade. Give me a break. Being gay is not about race so you'll continue to the lowlife racist scumbag you have always been.

Classy, please post just one example from the archives in which I expressed ANY "racial hatred."

Just one.

In ALL of our discussions, Classy, I blasted culture, NOT race. I blasted self destructive actions, not inherent traits.

Not once, classy. No, that was you confusing behavior with inherent traits... and is also the reason you can't understand any of the arguments here. The simple logic of it escapes you because, yet again, you cannot understand the difference between behavior and inherent.
 

Fingolfin269

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When it comes to social issues I typically ask myself how the social issue of the day/month/year/decade affects me. How does it affect the people around me.

When it comes to this specific issue I don't understand what all the fuss is about.

How does allowing two people of the same gender to get married have any negative effect on anyone else?
 

Turin39789

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Okay last one. Too many of you man loving........I mean upstanding gents to battle.

Here is what you want to do. You want to strip away many things concerning marriage.

Marriage has always had an implied and practiced use to allow one man to marry one woman.
Marriage as an institution has had most if not all of its influenced rooted in religion.
To try to seprate the history of marriage from religion is impossible.
The government both state and federal have accepted these guidelines in determing legal spouses.

Up until this point, those guidelines have defined marriage. Up until now those things have also formed the legality of marriage as well when it comes to state and federal guidelines. Now we have a challenge that marriage should not be subject to being gender discrimination. Up until now Jane was not denied any rights of marriage, but Jane has been subject to guidelines that have been established one way or another. So Janes right to marry is and has been legal and not infringed on. But she has to follow the established guidelines. People can't marry cousins or siblings, even if they are consenting. You can't be married to more than one person. So the argument is whether the definition or guidleines that have been followed concerning marriage is legal?


Marriage had an implied and practiced use to allow one man to absorb the property of one woman and then to do as he pleased.

Historical tradition of foolishness does not make foolishness right.

Regardless of your views, gay marriage is going to become a fact in this country.
 

classy

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Classy, please post just one example from the archives in which I expressed ANY "racial hatred."

Just one.

In ALL of our discussions, Classy, I blasted culture, NOT race. I blasted self destructive actions, not inherent traits.

Not once, classy. No, that was you confusing behavior with inherent traits... and is also the reason you can't understand any of the arguments here. The simple logic of it escapes you because, yet again, you cannot understand the difference between behavior and inherent.

LOL, Archives?
Your dumbass was getting all racial when you posted the Shirley Sherrod thread. Then you ended up looking like fool.
 

Carmen813

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Really? Non gay couples have anal sex? I would have never thunk such a thing. I posted that because we are talking very stark differences here. Who wants to put before their young son or nephew an image of some effeminate man as some ok or ideal image? I have a daughter and I don't want her have the image of being some manly burly woman. He said I was delusional, for the life of me when you see personality of some flaming guy, how can anyone pretend like thats okay?
What on earth is wrong with little boys still playing cowboys and indians? Instead now we want to say its okay to dress up, put on lipstick, and short shorts. I am certainly not delusional at all. I can't imagine what it would have been like to through basic training with some guy switching and acting like some 13 year old litlle girl. When you got on base you were pretty much on your own but still. But thats supppose to be the imagine of our soldiers now? Give me a break.............

I am suppose to accept this



and reject this



I'm delusional, yeah right........................

Your biases are showing. The majority of gay men and women do not act in any substantially different way then you or I, you are just buying into stereotypes. It's the same as those people who say black people like fried chicken and watermelon.

You are also confusing being lesbian, gay, or transgender or with being a transvestite. These are not one in the same.

I would have had no problem with openly gay men and women serving in my unit.
 

Carmen813

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why do gay people purposely talk differently, lisp/slur their words, act feminine... can't you be gay without that whole charade too?

to the point, they should have all the rights a straight person has, and be allowed to marry/union/whatever with respect to the STATE/COUNTRY (church can make up their own rule) so they can too get the benefits a straight married couple does.

Stereotype is stereotype.
 

Amused

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LOL, Archives?
Your dumbass was getting all racial when you posted the Shirley Sherrod thread. Then you ended up looking like fool.

When in the Sherrod case did I express racial hatred, Classy?

Is it racial hatred to criticize someone of another race or to question them?

Again, Classy, ALL of our discussions are still here for all to see, even ones going years back. Please produce just one instance.

Just one, Classy.
 

Atreus21

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On what basis is marriage denied to polygamists?

If the overwhelming majority of voters vote for something that you politically oppose, do you have any qualms about using a single judge to override them?
 
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classy

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When in the Sherrod case did I express racial hatred, Classy?

Is it racial hatred to criticize someone of another race or to question them?

Again, Classy, ALL of our discussions are still here for all to see, even ones going years back. Please produce just one instance.

Just one, Classy.

You were trumping how racist the NAACP is and how appalled you were at her. All bs. Your punkass for years has at every opportunity to lay out some put down of blacks. You don't use name calling, but your hatred is just as evident. You just have deluded yourself.
 

Amused

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On what basis is marriage denied to polygamists?

If the overwhelming majority of voters vote for something that you politically oppose, do you have any qualms about using a single judge to override them?

Jealousy.
 

Atreus21

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On what basis is marriage denied to countries? If every person in Spain wants to marry every person in France, how is that different than two individuals getting married?

It is different in that in the first condition, it means the effective end of the institution of marriage. In the other it does not.

Do you support allowing polygamous groups to marry?
 

woolfe9999

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Here is the full text of Judge Walker's ruling, which I just finished reading:

http://www.scribd.com/doc/35374462/Prop-8-Ruling-FINAL

It's a very thorough and well crafted ruling. He quotes Justice Kennedy's prior rulings in favor of gay rights, which is very smart given where the case is ultimately headed and who the swing voter is likely to be. He is also quite thorough on his findings of fact, again very smart given that the factual findings are essentially uncontestable on appeal.

- wolf
 

Amused

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You were trumping how racist the NAACP is and how appalled you were at her. All bs. Your punkass for years has at every opportunity to lay out some put down of blacks. You don't use name calling, but your hatred is just as evident. You just have deluded yourself.

No, Classy. I have never put down a black person for the color of their skin. I have, however, criticized individuals and organizations for their actions and behavior.

It was you, who in every debate, would call me "racist" for describing "gangsta" rap and popular black culture as self destructive and self deprecating. For explaining that as long as people in the black community act like this, and do these things, they will not succeed.

Now, how is that racist, Classy?

How is it racist to call the NAACP a racist political arm of the Democratic party? I am criticizing ACTIONS, not race, Classy.

Classy, YOU are the one here who has the trouble separating the inherent, from actions.

Finally, ignorant, small minded and bigoted attitudes like yours is the ONLY reason HIV is rampaging through the black community. HIV thrives in ignorance and hatred. Driving black men to live in the closet or "down low" as they like to say is literally killing black men and women.

Congratulations. Your ignorance is deadly.
 

Atreus21

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One important piece I disagree with from Woolfe's link:

Plaintiffs further contend that Proposition 8 is irrational because it singles out
gays and lesbians for unequal treatment, as they and they alone may not marry the person of their choice.

If the plaintiff's contend that, then they are demonstrably wrong. In defining marriage as between one man and one woman, Prop 8 also disallowes polygamists, incestuous couples, and others from marrying the person of their choice.
 

classy

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No, Classy. I have never put down a black person for the color of their skin. I have, however, criticized individuals and organizations for their actions and behavior.

It was you, who in every debate, would call me "racist" for describing "gangsta" rap and popular black culture as self destructive and self deprecating. For explaining that as long as people in the black community act like this, and do these things, they will not succeed.

Now, how is that racist, Classy?

How is it racist to call the NAACP a racist political arm of the Democratic party? I am criticizing ACTIONS, not race, Classy.

Classy, YOU are the one here who has the trouble separating the inherent, from actions.

Finally, ignorant, small minded and bigoted attitudes like yours is the ONLY reason HIV is rampaging through the black community. HIV thrives in ignorance and hatred. Driving black men to live in the closet or "down low" as they like to say is literally killing black men and women.

Congratulations. Your ignorance is deadly.

Dude no matter how eloquent you try to make your post, you have spouted race hating bs for years. Go bleep yourself
 

classy

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No, Classy. I have never put down a black person for the color of their skin. I have, however, criticized individuals and organizations for their actions and behavior.

It was you, who in every debate, would call me "racist" for describing "gangsta" rap and popular black culture as self destructive and self deprecating. For explaining that as long as people in the black community act like this, and do these things, they will not succeed.

Now, how is that racist, Classy?

How is it racist to call the NAACP a racist political arm of the Democratic party? I am criticizing ACTIONS, not race, Classy.

Classy, YOU are the one here who has the trouble separating the inherent, from actions.

Finally, ignorant, small minded and bigoted attitudes like yours is the ONLY reason HIV is rampaging through the black community. HIV thrives in ignorance and hatred. Driving black men to live in the closet or "down low" as they like to say is literally killing black men and women.

Congratulations. Your ignorance is deadly.

And another thing to I don't have hiv or anything like that. You threw that out there is another low ball anti-black attack. Thats classic you. That shit ain't funny, fucking asshole. I wish someone would give your kids and wife HIV you motherfracker, then we will see how quip you are with your little posts.
 

Amused

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Dude no matter how eloquent you try to make your post, you have spouted race hating bs for years. Go bleep yourself

That's weak, Classy. Very weak.

Next you'll call me a "big fat poopy pants."

Learn to separate actions from the inherent. Criticizing a self destructive culture is NOT racist. A culture is NOT inherent.

But denying someone their civil rights because of an inherent trait IS wrong, Classy. And that is what YOU support.

Look in the mirror, Classy. The only ignorant bigot here is you.
 

MotF Bane

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Dude no matter how eloquent you try to make your post, you have spouted race hating bs for years. Go bleep yourself

That's all you have? Attacking one of several posters in the thread over perceived racism, since your position is so utterly indefensible?
 

Amused

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And another thing to I don't have hiv or anything like that. You threw that out there is another low ball anti-black attack. Thats classic you. That shit ain't funny, fucking asshole. I wish someone would give your kids and wife HIV you motherfracker, then we will see how quip you are with your little posts.

Classy, I have volunteered my time for over 20 years to help those with HIV.

I watched more than I care to count or remember, (black, white and brown) die all alone because of ignorance like yours.

No. This shit isn't funny. Not one bit.
 

MJinZ

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Dude no matter how eloquent you try to make your post, you have spouted race hating bs for years. Go bleep yourself

You give black people an even worse reputation than you already have. That is beyond pathetic.
 
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