Our era's American civil rights issue: A milestone on gay discrimination

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MJinZ

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Classy, I have volunteered my time for over 20 years to help those with HIV.

I watched more than I care to count or remember, (black, white and brown) die all alone because of ignorance like yours.

No. This shit isn't funny. Not one bit.

It's funny, because all Blacks have HIV. Everyone knows this.

In fact, HIV is a Black disease. It originates from Black people in Africa.
 

classy

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No, Classy. I have never put down a black person for the color of their skin. I have, however, criticized individuals and organizations for their actions and behavior.

It was you, who in every debate, would call me "racist" for describing "gangsta" rap and popular black culture as self destructive and self deprecating. For explaining that as long as people in the black community act like this, and do these things, they will not succeed.

Now, how is that racist, Classy?

How is it racist to call the NAACP a racist political arm of the Democratic party? I am criticizing ACTIONS, not race, Classy.

Classy, YOU are the one here who has the trouble separating the inherent, from actions.

Finally, ignorant, small minded and bigoted attitudes like yours is the ONLY reason HIV is rampaging through the black community. HIV thrives in ignorance and hatred. Driving black men to live in the closet or "down low" as they like to say is literally killing black men and women.

Congratulations. Your ignorance is deadly.

Oh so HIV is now funny right? I am about to bury my third relative and this one I love to death. You make fun of people dying of disease and you throw out as some kind of joke. I would rip your fvcking head off you ignorant bitch.
 

MotF Bane

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Oh so HIV is now funny right? I am about to bury my third relative and this one I love to death. You make fun of people dying of disease and you throw out as some kind of joke. I would rip your fvcking head off you ignorant bitch.

Try reading.
 

MJinZ

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Oh so HIV is now funny right? I am about to bury my third relative and this one I love to death. You make fun of people dying of disease and you throw out as some kind of joke. I would rip your fvcking head off you ignorant bitch.

Absolutely hilarious since your cousins are Black, probably gay, and drug users. Damn, you just make it so easy.
 

Analogsoul

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I think the main issue that Classy is dealing with is his notion of what marriage is. To him it's a "religious tradition" and that's all fine and good, however we live in a country where the legal definition of marriage is secular. Classy mentions that "Christians aren't supposed to marry non-christians" but that is perfectly legal in this country and while it may be against his belief to have a Christian and a non-Christian marry, I'm sure he accepts it.

I don't see why this should be any different then gays having the right to marry. It may not be part of Classy's or other religious peoples beliefs, but since we live in a secular society where the definition of marriage isn't based on religious notions, they should be able to accept it.
 

MJinZ

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I think the main issue that Classy is dealing with is his notion of what marriage is. To him it's a "religious tradition" and that's all fine and good, however we live in a country where the legal definition of marriage is secular. Classy mentions that "Christians aren't supposed to marry non-christians" but that is perfectly legal in this country and while it may be against his belief to have a Christian and a non-Christian marry, I'm sure he accepts it.

I don't see why this should be any different then gays having the right to marry. It may not be part of Classy's or other religious peoples beliefs, but since we live in a secular society where the definition of marriage isn't based on religious notions, they should be able to accept it.

To him, everything is religious.

He should ask the rest of the world where marriage existed in many forms that predate any sort of religion whatsoever.

The retards won't accept it. I mean, it's like asking the KKK to accept Blacks. There's absolutely no way to reason. They just don't like Blacks. Sorry Classy. In turn, some people just don't like Gays.

Indoctrination for the motherfucking win! (Until we smack everyone single one of them down).
 

Amused

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Oh so HIV is now funny right? I am about to bury my third relative and this one I love to death. You make fun of people dying of disease and you throw out as some kind of joke. I would rip your fvcking head off you ignorant bitch.

I'll repeat this here yet again.

Classy, I have volunteered my time for over 20 years to help those with HIV.

I watched more than I care to count or remember, (black, white and brown) die all alone because of ignorance like yours.

No. This shit isn't funny. Not one bit.
 

TheFamilyMan

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You give black people an even worse reputation than you already have. That is beyond pathetic.

What's even more pathetic is using racial inequity and trials and tribulations countless numbers of people have went through in pursut of racial equality as a comparison to a group of people that desire a re-writing of laws/rights/constitution/et al due only to their sexual lifestyle.

Gay != black, another race, a minority, a different color, etc. True minorities don't have a choice in their skin color, ethnicity, disability, gender...homosexual hasn't been proven to be anything other than choice up to this point. Study after study points to environmental (both internal within the home and external within society) influences playing a major part with normal sexual development.

Head down the slippery slope and end up falling off the mountain entirely...
 

Bird222

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Can you please quote that scripture for me where blacks don't measure up? Now be very careful, because I guarantee you I know scripture very very well.

Since you know scripture so well please quote me a scripture where Jesus prohibited homosexuality.
 

MJinZ

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What's even more pathetic is using racial inequity and trials and tribulations countless numbers of people have went through in pursut of racial equality as a comparison to a group of people that desire a re-writing of laws/rights/constitution/et al due only to their sexual lifestyle.

Gay != black, another race, a minority, a different color, etc. True minorities don't have a choice in their skin color, ethnicity, disability, gender...homosexual hasn't been proven to be anything other than choice up to this point. Study after study points to environmental (both internal within the home and external within society) influences playing a major part with normal sexual development.

Head down the slippery slope and end up falling off the mountain entirely...

They don't have a choice? Who cares, God made you Black. If he hates you from the start, he hates you from the start. Right? Right?
 

Cerpin Taxt

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Up until now Jane was not denied any rights of marriage, but Jane has been subject to guidelines that have been established one way or another.
That's as silly as saying that until women's suffrage was passed, women weren't denied the right to vote.vAre you going to tell me that black people were never denied the right to vote, too? Don't insult my intelligence.

Your mistake is the same as ProfJohn made in another thread -- that of thinking that rights are "supplied" instead of inherent and then limited. The courts didn't rule that women had "earned" the right to vote and that we'd now "give" it to them. No, the court recognized that women always were entitled to vote, but were being denied that right.

It is more than mildly amusing that a self-identified conservative thinks that people can enjoy only those rights the state gives them. "Anything not explicitly permitted is forbidden!"

So Janes right to marry is and has been legal and not infringed on.
Wrong, as described above.

But she has to follow the established guidelines.
If that were a good argument then segregation never would've ended. Aren't you glad that your argument is bogus?

People can't marry cousins or siblings, even if they are consenting. You can't be married to more than one person.
So? People can't take property that isn't theirs. People can't lie under oath. The point is that the limitations that are imposed apply to everyone equally.

So the argument is whether the definition or guidleines that have been followed concerning marriage is legal?
Obviously not, because nobody can explain how Jane can supposedly have rights equal to Adam's when Adam has the right to marry Eve yet Jane does not have the right to marry Eve.

Care to try again?
 

Moonbeam

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Can you imagine the thrill of worshiping a god who creates gays and then condemns them for what they are and then, yourself, go out and campaign for that god. I can't imagine a better way to feel important, especially if I, myself, were from a put down race. I could deflect all the absurd hate that came my way and as equally absurdly transfer it over on to that other my god so hates. I would be a door mat that became a foot wiper and the equal of any KKK bigot. There is more than one road to equality.
 

Cerpin Taxt

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What's even more pathetic is using racial inequity and trials and tribulations countless numbers of people have went through in pursut of racial equality as a comparison to a group of people that desire a re-writing of laws/rights/constitution/et al due only to their sexual lifestyle.

Gay != black, another race, a minority, a different color, etc. True minorities don't have a choice in their skin color, ethnicity, disability, gender...homosexual hasn't been proven to be anything other than choice up to this point. Study after study points to environmental (both internal within the home and external within society) influences playing a major part with normal sexual development.

Head down the slippery slope and end up falling off the mountain entirely...
Another ignorant conservative bigot.

It is irrelevant that homosexuality isn't a known allele in the gene pool. The issue is gender inequality, as I've illustrated abundantly in this thread. Read it, and educate yourself.
 

Amused

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What's even more pathetic is using racial inequity and trials and tribulations countless numbers of people have went through in pursut of racial equality as a comparison to a group of people that desire a re-writing of laws/rights/constitution/et al due only to their sexual lifestyle.

Gay != black, another race, a minority, a different color, etc. True minorities don't have a choice in their skin color, ethnicity, disability, gender...homosexual hasn't been proven to be anything other than choice up to this point. Study after study points to environmental (both internal within the home and external within society) influences playing a major part with normal sexual development.

Head down the slippery slope and end up falling off the mountain entirely...

Gotta love when someone claims to be backed by "study after study." Please point to one peer reviewed and repeated study (i.e., valid) that shows what you claim.

You cannot, because they do not exist. Every valid study shows that it is, in fact, not a choice. That no one "chooses" to be gay.

This is the last thread the bigots cling to; that homosexuality is a "choice" and gays are trying to recruit your kids.

I have one challenge to these folks: Turn gay. Prove homosexuality is a choice and turn gay. And by this I mean, no longer be turned on by the opposite sex and prove it through valid testing.

Oh, wait... conversions, either way, are impossible. Another fact backed by "study after study."
 
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BoomerD

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Can you imagine the thrill of worshiping a god who creates gays and then condemns them for what they are and then, yourself, go out and campaign for that god. I can't imagine a better way to feel important, especially if I, myself, were from a put down race. I could deflect all the absurd hate that came my way and as equally absurdly transfer it over on to that other my god so hates. I would be a door mat that became a foot wiper and the equal of any KKK bigot. There is more than one road to equality.

Doncha know...da debil created dem homos...
 

MJinZ

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Doncha know...da debil created dem homos...

I got another good one - Gays are so fabulous so they naturally chose to be Gay, 'cause it's so cool to be ostracized, targeted, and burned in a fire (i love you)!
 

BoberFett

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Wow. This is the first time I clicked on the thread, I didn't realize it was Class vs. The World. I'll find another thread to troll.
 

Harvey

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God its so damn old and tired. Its the same argument just with different dressing. I am not obligated to fight for the civil rights of every minority and somehow overlook or brush aside the reason.

Neither are you obligated to brush aside all reason and post your self-centered, moronic bigotry in a discussion about upholding the rights of a particular minority of which you personally don't approve. I'll remember NOT to speak up for YOUR civil rights, next time the subject comes up. :hmm:

I mentioned the bible because if any of you actually knew a damn thing about the civil rights fight, rather throwing out some talking points, you would know it didn't begin or was sustained because of some legal issue.

Which makes your beliefs and your bible a valid subject to address in a reply. If you think your beliefs and your bible mandate hating other peaceful human beings because of their personal choice of partners, consider re-evaluating your hateful beliefs and your lame, hate filled bible.

It was grounded solidly in bible believing people. MLK, Vernon Johns, Johns neice Barbara Rose Johns, Megar Evers, C. K. Steele, etc. These were church going bible thumping folks. They fought and died believing they should treated as equals not because of some constitution, but because of their belief in God. You don't know a flipping thing about civil rights.

Obviously, neither do you, but you've got 'em. That makes you an even bigger prick for wanting to deny them to others.

Get over yourself. Constitutional rights NOT are subject to revocation by any vote of any majority in any jurisdiction in the United States of America. Constitutional rights protect minorities from tyranny of the majority. Maybe you'll appreciate them more when some majority in some jurisdiction votes to take them away from you.

But thanks for proving that at least one African American can be as bigoted as anyone. :thumbsdown:
 
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Craig234

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One important piece I disagree with from Woolfe's link:



If the plaintiff's contend that, then they are demonstrably wrong. In defining marriage as between one man and one woman, Prop 8 also disallowes polygamists, incestuous couples, and others from marrying the person of their choice.

Huh? No it doesn't.

Polygamy is already prohibited by other laws, not by Prop 8. Prop 8 discusses which 2 can marry, not that only 2 can marry which is already the law.

It doesn't have anything to do with incest - an incestuous couple can be 'man and woman'.

What others? Prop 8 is aimed directly at overturning the CA constitution's protection for gay equal rights in marriage, that had been confirmed by the CA Supreme Court.
 

Zebo

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Huh? No it doesn't.

Polygamy is already prohibited by other laws, not by Prop 8. Prop 8 discusses which 2 can marry, not that only 2 can marry which is already the law.

It doesn't have anything to do with incest - an incestuous couple can be 'man and woman'.

What others? Prop 8 is aimed directly at overturning the CA constitution's protection for gay equal rights in marriage, that had been confirmed by the CA Supreme Court.

Polygamy restrictions needs to go too which like homosexual restrictions also founded on Christian bigotry instead of individual freedom our constitution calls for.

<not mormon not muslim not crazy or rich enough to want two. Just believe in freedom.
 

Amused

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Polygamy restrictions needs to go too which like homosexual restrictions also founded on Christian bigotry instead of individual freedom our constitution calls for.

<not mormon not muslim not crazy or rich enough to want two. Just believe in freedom.

Actually, early Christians were often polygamous. It was the Catholic Church that first started outlawing it. Later bans were a mixture of religious and social in nature. Polygamy even made a brief comeback during the reformation. There really is no biblical ban on polygamy.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polygamy

Luther stated that he could not "forbid a person to marry several wives, for it does not contradict Scripture."
 
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