Our generation's lack of work ethic and money skills.

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OverVolt

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I currently work 32 hours a week at a primary job, like you, I used to grab every hour of OT possible & the practice left me drained. I started working less a couple years ago & started blogging as an inexpensive hobby. My site has generated some excellent social media opportunities for me & I will be forming an LLC this year. I would never have been able to do this while working 100 hours a week at a primary job.

Free time allows for the exploration of things that interest us, some people crave new experiences & find that those energize them in all that they do. My professional life combines both security & novelty. Having my own thing on the side has benefits for my primary employer too, I go to work energized & am able to problem solve from the POV of a person who isn't burned out about the place. I am usually very positive & clearly happy to be at work when I am there which results in higher productivity & great customer service.

Also, I'm old I have noticed over the years that there is such a thing as putting in too much face time on the job. Many who voluntarily work long hours fall into the trap of becoming shrill & judgemental about those who don't, they also often take easier assignments or find ways to shift work onto their peers which creates conflict. Sometimes people's performance slips because they aren't getting adequate rest. Most serious work place conflicts ending in employee termination I've seen involve at least one worker who's been putting in massive hours of OT.

Yea makes me wonder how many people actually talk to their old college/highschool friends about this stuff. Its not gonna be on facebook, you can't really say anything with any substance to it on there since your next employer, co-workers, whatever might be watching.

And on the house issue, the reason the prices are so good right now is because cash among the middle class is hard to come by.

If you have enough cash to put alot down at low interest its not a bad idea but the robo-signing trials came to an end earlier this year. When the people who are staying in their foreclosed homes for 2-3years finally have their homes sold by the bank prices are going to drop more.

The economy might even get hit because whatever their income is, its like 80% disposable, which is crazy. Since they just stopped paying their mortgage.

But just saying, its obvious the banks are dragging their feet to sell all the foreclosed homes, yet they are still building more homes lol. It's a disaster. They also extended "operation twist" so mortgages % interest will still stay low. That was the point of operation twist. Extended to December of 2012 AFAIK.
 
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Geekbabe

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Yea makes me wonder how many people actually talk to their old college/highschool friends about this stuff. Its not gonna be on facebook, you can't really say anything with any substance to it on there since your next employer, co-workers, whatever might be watching.

Smart people don't talk about this stuff on social media.. They do talk about it amongst themselves on the job though. The "overtime ballers" often end up forgetting that each shift at work has it's own pecking order, culture & way of doing things. They end up frequently pissing off co-workers. Too much FaceTime on the job can turn out to be a really bad thing.
 

njdevilsfan87

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A-fuckin' men brother. If anything, young people today should put in 120 hours a week. You can sleep when you're dead you lazy fucks. Give up your free time and pledge fealty to your company who is offering you a livelihood and someday you will be rewarded by them, probably.

Hm, maybe, but only right after your generation fixes the economy you fucked up for us. Oh wait that's right your generation is just going to leave the mess to us while you hope you still get social security at some point down the line. We already at least know we aren't getting any.
 
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ultimatebob

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Dude... I have a salaried job. It doesn't matter if I work 2 or 20 hours of overtime a week, since I'm going to get paid the same.

I might feel different if I worked at a place that hands out big bonuses... But I don't.
 

ultimatebob

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I have had some pairs last over two years and with an average of once a week wear.

It depends on the fabric of the jean and what you do in them.

Geez... My $20 Wranglers hold up better than that! Some of mine have lasted for 5+ years with weekly wear.
 

DrPizza

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I have had some pairs last over two years and with an average of once a week wear.

It depends on the fabric of the jean and what you do in them.

I have pairs that are at least 5 years old. I wear them quite frequently, especially on the weekends. I have a farm. I beat the hell out of my clothes. I can't even begin to count the number of shirts I've thrown out, but the $20 jeans are holding up just fine.
 

brianmanahan

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I have pairs that are at least 5 years old. I wear them quite frequently, especially on the weekends. I have a farm. I beat the h**l out of my clothes. I can't even begin to count the number of shirts I've thrown out, but the $20 jeans are holding up just fine.

this. wranglers and levis and lees last me like 5-7 years.
 

MovingTarget

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Been there, done that with excessive OT. Putting everything you have into your job both physically and emotionally can get you to rise on the corp ladder, but for my generation it is more likely to lead to being treated as the corporate doormat.

Some OT once in a blue moon is okay. If a company is having to keep people on OT, then they either don't give part-timers enough hours or don't have enough people employed. Likely, employers don't want the extra benefits on the balance book and consider that a good trade-off with the resultant per-hour productivity hit.

The best advice for workers, do your best during your 40 hours, then GO THE FUCK HOME!

http://mitchmckenna.com/items/view/...ng-worklife-balance-pam-selle-ignite-philly-9
 

SP33Demon

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I have one pair of Diesel jeans, and around 10 pairs of 7 For All Mankind jeans, which are better than Diesel.

Well if they're only lasting 2 years @once a week washing, I don't know what to tell you. How much are these 7 For All Mankind jeans, per pair? I've never heard of that brand.
 

hans007

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I work first of all smart. And I'm willing to put in the time to learn how to do things more easily. You older people who think doing hours of mind numbing blue collar shit work is a good idea also happen to be the most entitled lazy messed up generation if Americans ever.

I'm 31 so I suppose just barely out of Gen x. And you know why you need to work people my age ? So you can get nice stuff and drive a sports car while sneering at unemployed boomers who will eat cat food into their retirement


We need to blaze our own path and find our own way. Why listen to advice from America's worst generation ?
 

PimpJuice

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You cannot blame me because the things I enjoy are expensive. That doesn't make me vain. Everyone likes different things.

I wish I could find the thread, but I could have swore you said you make like 60-70k......that's good, but nothing near the level you're bragging about.

You sound like a huge douche too, but that's obvious.
 

0roo0roo

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http://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/...-generational-fraud-Have-robbed-children.html

one generation has clearly screwed it up for the next.

look at how much it used to cost to go to universities, even top tier compared to now, even accounting for inflation. the boomers and such funded their life style by slowly defunding the services that gave them their start, then splurged on entitlements for themselves down the line that also will cost the next generation.
 

herm0016

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i live at work for 14 days, then I do what ever i want for 7 days. I work more hours in a year than most, and less days in a year than most. seems like this is a great arrangement.
 

OverVolt

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Been there, done that with excessive OT. Putting everything you have into your job both physically and emotionally can get you to rise on the corp ladder, but for my generation it is more likely to lead to being treated as the corporate doormat.
Yea! This exactly, just more concise than the way I was putting it.
 
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Cerb

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this. wranglers and levis and lees last me like 5-7 years.
Wrangler must have a wide swath of quality. I got a few pair not long ago, and threads are already coming out, loosening some seams. They've been washed maybe 10 times.

Nautica seem to hold up quite well, IME, and there's always enough of a selection at outlet stores that they aren't too costly.
 

JBT

Lifer
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I've been on salary since I graduated. How much time should I work?
I typically work between 45-50 hours per week.
 

TridenT

Lifer
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You sound like a very vain person.

Ya think?

OP will end up regretting his decisions in life later.

That said, I don't plan on ever working more than 40 hours a week unless I fucking adore my job. I'd like to spend my time doing something fun in the sun with a friend rather than dorking around at work.
 

Veliko

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How many washings does it take before say one of the pockets in the back rips? Levis seem to crap out on me after about 8 months getting washed twice a week.

Why on earth are you washing your jeans twice a week? No wonder they are falling apart.
 

Zebo

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Times have changed. Why do you think we are last in test scores of first world, carry huge debt per person, and everything is moving East to Asia? Americans are lazy, nonsensical and absurd. No big deal. Things like this have a way of working themselves out like a greater depression and worthless currency social security recipients will receive. Gonna be a tough few years then rebuild and tried and true values will be practiced again out of neccesity then your great great grand-kids will run it into ground again. Rinse and repeat.


There are books on this
http://www.fourthturning.com/html/history___turnings.html
 

Bignate603

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I have had some pairs last over two years and with an average of once a week wear.

It depends on the fabric of the jean and what you do in them.

Lasting 2 years being worn once a week is not very long. That's easily something that a cheap set of jeans can do.
 

LurkerPrime

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I used to be addicted to OT. Back then though, I was a newer employee with less base pay and I needed the extra cash. Now I have a comfortable base salary and I no longer need or want to work as much OT as I have in the past. Most of the extra time I put in now is comp time instead of OT, since I would rather have the extra time off than the money.

Once you reach a certain amount of pay to live comfortably, fully fund a 401k, and still have extra cash in the bank each month, you start to value your free time alot more. Now I dont have shiny brand new cars, or $200 jeans, but I'm still happy.
 
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