Our generation's lack of work ethic and money skills.

[slayer202]

1. The world is changing
2. Every generation of old stupid people goes on a "this new generation blah blah blah" rant
3. You are the one overworking yourself for no reason, and your boss is benefiting, not you

 

[DrunkenSano]

Heck yes, time and a half for overtime.

No way would I work a second over 40 hours if I was salaried.

Sounds like you have a lack of worth ethic, that you are mocking others about in your OP, if you suddenly went to a salary based job. Surprise, surprise.

 

[theprodigalrebel]

I work 50-55 hours a week - not because I choose to but because shit needs to get done, we are under-staffed and I have no assistant or backup. I also spend about 15 hours commuting to work every week (90 minutes each way). Apart from time spent eating, sleeping, wanking, showering and household chores, I barely get an hour every day to do something for leisure.

Come weekend, fiancee occupies a full day leaving me no time to do anything else. I get exactly one day to myself for playing video games, being alone, catching up on TV shows and movies etc. But I usually end up sleeping for 10-12 hours on my one day off.

I can't possibly imagine spending any more time at work. Fuck, I want to live a little and spend some money but I don't even have the time to do that.

 

[soulcougher73]

I've been on salary since I graduated. How much time should I work?
I typically work between 45-50 hours per week.

On salary just 40

 

[soulcougher73]

I work 50-55 hours a week - not because I choose to but because shit needs to get done, we are under-staffed and I have no assistant or backup. I also spend about 15 hours commuting to work every week (90 minutes each way). Apart from time spent eating, sleeping, wanking, showering and household chores, I barely get an hour every day to do something for leisure.

Come weekend, fiancee occupies a full day leaving me no time to do anything else. I get exactly one day to myself for playing video games, being alone, catching up on TV shows and movies etc. But I usually end up sleeping for 10-12 hours on my one day off.

I can't possibly imagine spending any more time at work. Fuck, I want to live a little and spend some money but I don't even have the time to do that.

What you are looking for is called a new job.

 

[ArizonaSteve]

I think people have figured out that hard work and over-achievement generally get them nowhere in a corporate environment.

 

[DrunkenSano]

It's a sad reality these days. Worse than getting them no where, it gets them exploited. Bosses now see over-achievers as perfect worker drones. They might dangle a carrot in front of you, at best, and squeeze every inch of work out of you if they could. If you quit, oh well, there is a long line of people behind you ready to replace you.

 

[SP33Demon]

You've been around long enough that it is shocking you missed this:

http://forums.anandtech.com/showpost.php?p=33640977&postcount=83

Oh snap, how did I miss that? lmao!

 

[Saint Nick]

You've been around long enough that it is shocking you missed this:

http://forums.anandtech.com/showpost.php?p=33640977&postcount=83

Oh snap, how did I miss that? lmao!

LOL...

 

[Imp]

I work 50-55 hours a week - not because I choose to but because shit needs to get done, we are under-staffed and I have no assistant or backup. I also spend about 15 hours commuting to work every week (90 minutes each way). Apart from time spent eating, sleeping, wanking, showering and household chores, I barely get an hour every day to do something for leisure.

Come weekend, fiancee occupies a full day leaving me no time to do anything else. I get exactly one day to myself for playing video games, being alone, catching up on TV shows and movies etc. But I usually end up sleeping for 10-12 hours on my one day off.

I can't possibly imagine spending any more time at work. Fuck, I want to live a little and spend some money but I don't even have the time to do that.

Wow... time to look for a new job or move closer.

I've done a 2-3 hour daily commute (to and fro) for 3 years and am sick as hell of it. My days are also 8 hours + 0.5 lunch, and I have had to wake up at 5-6am on occasion.

 

[Nintendesert]

I work 50-55 hours a week - not because I choose to but because shit needs to get done, we are under-staffed and I have no assistant or backup. I also spend about 15 hours commuting to work every week (90 minutes each way). Apart from time spent eating, sleeping, wanking, showering and household chores, I barely get an hour every day to do something for leisure.

Come weekend, fiancee occupies a full day leaving me no time to do anything else. I get exactly one day to myself for playing video games, being alone, catching up on TV shows and movies etc. But I usually end up sleeping for 10-12 hours on my one day off.

I can't possibly imagine spending any more time at work. Fuck, I want to live a little and spend some money but I don't even have the time to do that.

Understaffed because they have schmucks that will give more of themselves instead of the company doing what they should do and hire more people. D:



And onto the OP, I had forgotten that he was a 28 year old virgin living at home. Well working that much, no wonder. GJ wasting your youth.

 

[GT1999]

I don't think it's 100% a money management issue by current/future generators, but also rather our government continuing to hang us out to dry when we make a mistake (eg, traffic violations or cameras, IPASS) and taxes.

Up next? The government taking our 401k's. More laws with high fines that go directly to local/state government, and we don't find out where the money actually goes.

It's corruption at its finest!

I'm fed up with it. If they start taking 401k's, I'll just leave the USA to somewhere better, wherever that may be.

Edit: We also live in a society that tolerates failure with no repercussions in some instances (ex: welfare with no drug testing).

 

[SaDiZTiKStyLeZ]

I've pretty much spent past 10 years trying to find a skill that I don't suck at.
I went to college, and started off extremely thrilled and excited. Then school was over & I was looking for a job like it was a job itself. The few jobs that came by were brief, didn't have much time to get good at much of anything.
I used to enjoy coming home after working all day & looking more into stuff related to working. I worked on mac's all day? If I was too busy to look into stuff during the day, I'd be looking more into it after work &/or on my days off. I thoroughly enjoyed that.
I can't tap that kind of enjoyment anymore.
I'm OK at computer & IT stuff, but not great.
I realized shortly after I started here, that I wasn't into this shit like I used to be.

As well over the past 10 years, I've bounced from one professional interest to another.
I built a computer for specific task. That didn't work out quite well, so I strayed in another direction.
Well I had been working on computers casually for several years, then built a computer. Fuck it, time to go to college, what should I do? Well I already have prior experience doing that, so fuck it.

I almost want to say it was a complete waste of time. And as well as the money and debt it cost me for shit that is irrelevant to me anymore.
I met a guy in college who's big on YT now, making a career out of that solely.
I wish I would have realized the potential of what he's become, back then, then I would have gotten on it with him & would be much better along right now.

So it's almost come around full circle to what got me into building computers. Went from wanting to create music, to now doing videos stuff. Still another something in the spectrum of creativity. Although my shit's still a work in progress. I enjoy it. I don't suck at it. When I do, I'm told & still get paid for the traffic it brings.
More of a slow nickel rather than a fast dime right now. But I'll take that slow nickel as I'm enjoying where it's going as opposed to what I'm dealing with as a day job for now.

 

[IndyColtsFan]

I work 50-55 hours a week - not because I choose to but because shit needs to get done, we are under-staffed and I have no assistant or backup. I also spend about 15 hours commuting to work every week (90 minutes each way). Apart from time spent eating, sleeping, wanking, showering and household chores, I barely get an hour every day to do something for leisure.

The fact that you are understaffed is your company's problem, not yours. If you're not getting OT pay or big bonuses, you should consider cutting back the hours or finding another job.

Understaffed because they have schmucks that will give more of themselves instead of the company doing what they should do and hire more people. D:

Precisely. theprodigalrebel is allowing his company to remain understaffed by working lots of extra hours to get things done. That's called a "sucker" or a "doormat." And before I'm accused of attacking him, let me say that just a few short years ago, I was the sucker/doormat who worked tons of additional hours to meet imaginary deadlines.

 

[DrunkenSano]

And not only are you hurting yourself being a sucker or doormat, you're fucking it up for your co-workers too. The employers will start using you, the sucker/doormat, as the benchmark and the others will be harassed into working longer and harder, or be replaced.

 

[CRXican]

The fact that you are understaffed is your company's problem, not yours. If you're not getting OT pay or big bonuses, you should consider cutting back the hours or finding another job.



Precisely. theprodigalrebel is allowing his company to remain understaffed by working lots of extra hours to get things done. That's called a "sucker" or a "doormat." And before I'm accused of attacking him, let me say that just a few short years ago, I was the sucker/doormat who worked tons of additional hours to meet imaginary deadlines.

And not only are you hurting yourself being a sucker or doormat, you're fucking it up for your co-workers too. The employers will start using you, the sucker/doormat, as the benchmark and the others will be harassed into working longer and harder, or be replaced.

Amen to this. I have one coworker in particular that jumps at every opportunity to be exploited. She'll pick up extra shifts and work overnight into the morning to finish someone elses 24 hour shift.

I get in and get out and owe them no favors. We're already treated like crap, have crappy equipment and go days without lunch breaks. It's insane.

 

[OverVolt]

I used to be addicted to OT. Back then though, I was a newer employee with less base pay and I needed the extra cash. Now I have a comfortable base salary and I no longer need or want to work as much OT as I have in the past. Most of the extra time I put in now is comp time instead of OT, since I would rather have the extra time off than the money.

Once you reach a certain amount of pay to live comfortably, fully fund a 401k, and still have extra cash in the bank each month, you start to value your free time alot more. Now I dont have shiny brand new cars, or $200 jeans, but I'm still happy.

Cars may last 15 years, but their coolness only lasts for 3 years. Everyone knows that the people who drive them the other 12 years are suckers when they aren't shiny anymore.

There should be a program to crush up 3 year old cars for scrap and then make new ones. That way everyone could participate in wasting as many resources as possible as quickly as possible! Hoorayyyy

Oh and you will look super cool too!!!

I'm enjoying driving my car into the ground. When I see people with like a5yr/old car buy a new car because it needs the radiator flushed or something it makes me seriously LOL. No one I know is actually rich enough to be like that. They can technically afford it but for example why buy a new car to replace your 5yr/old car when your student loans aren't paid off? etc.

 

[kranky]

A salaried job does not mean 40 hours/week. It COULD mean that, but people are hired to do a job, and the job takes what it takes. It's silly for someone to say you wouldn't work any more than 40 hours if you had a salaried job.

Some salaried jobs take 40, some take 60, some take anywhere between 30 and 80. If you are hired to do a job that requires 45-50 hours a week, if you only work 40 hours then you are going to get canned since you're not getting the job done. And if you say you can get the job done in 40, it it obviously didn't require 45-50 hours.

Salaried jobs mean you have to get the work done, not simply show up for a fixed period of time. That's hourly jobs.

My boss worked 19 straight days last month because things had to get done. Then he worked about two weeks of 6 hour days with a couple days off in the middle. That's how his job goes. Even if he averaged out to 40 hours/week, he doesn't have the option of holding to 40 hours every single week. That would mean he's not getting the work done during the very busy periods, and would get canned.

 

[vi edit]

A salaried job does not mean 40 hours/week. It COULD mean that, but people are hired to do a job, and the job takes what it takes. It's silly for someone to say you wouldn't work any more than 40 hours if you had a salaried job.

For me it's about expectations up front vs. some unwritten policy you find out about after you've been on the job. I've been with employers that say straight up say "Yeh, we expect you to work 45-50 hours and pay you accordingly". And I've interviewed with others where it was an unwritten rule where you were fully expected to work that much but your salary was based on a traditional 40 hour pay scale.

I'm fine with the first one as it's clear up front and you are appropriately compensated for it. In the 2nd situation putting every hour past 40 just devalues your overall wage. These employers tend to prey on recent college grads who are desperate for work experience, eager, have no families, and simply don't know any better.

Then there's the whole flex/comp time and how well your employer handles that too. That makes a big difference. That can vary wildly from one company to another and makes a big difference in overall quality of work life and how willing I am to put in extra/odd hours.

 

[LurkerPrime]

Cars may last 15 years, but their coolness only lasts for 3 years. Everyone knows that the people who drive them the other 12 years are suckers when they aren't shiny anymore.

There should be a program to crush up 3 year old cars for scrap and then make new ones. That way everyone could participate in wasting as many resources as possible as quickly as possible! Hoorayyyy

Oh and you will look super cool too!!!

I'm enjoying driving my car into the ground. When I see people with like a5yr/old car buy a new car because it needs the radiator flushed or something it makes me seriously LOL. No one I know is actually rich enough to be like that. They can technically afford it but for example why buy a new car to replace your 5yr/old car when your student loans aren't paid off? etc.

I have 3 cars all built in the 90s. By car standards I'm very uncool. Personally I dont really care. They all still run and are reliable and do thier job, which is to get me to/from work and the store. I dont even know what its like to have a car note. Insurance is maybe 80 bucks a month for all 3, and ad-valorum tax/tag fees are minimal compared to a newer vehicle.

I have a co-worker with a brand new BMW. His car note is more than my house note (over 50% more). If for some reason OT was cut, he would have some serious problems paying his bills. I'de rather be uncool than be a slave to my car.

 

[njdevilsfan87]

For me it's about expectations up front vs. some unwritten policy you find out about after you've been on the job. I've been with employers that say straight up say "Yeh, we expect you to work 45-50 hours and pay you accordingly". And I've interviewed with others where it was an unwritten rule where you were fully expected to work that much but your salary was based on a traditional 40 hour pay scale.

I'm fine with the first one as it's clear up front and you are appropriately compensated for it. In the 2nd situation putting every hour past 40 just devalues your overall wage. These employers tend to prey on recent college grads who are desperate for work experience, eager, have no families, and simply don't know any better.

Then there's the whole flex/comp time and how well your employer handles that too. That makes a big difference. That can vary wildly from one company to another and makes a big difference in overall quality of work life and how willing I am to put in extra/odd hours.

Screw that. I need to get myself a good patent that I can build my own company upon while I'm here in graduate school.

 

[IndyColtsFan]

For me it's about expectations up front vs. some unwritten policy you find out about after you've been on the job. I've been with employers that say straight up say "Yeh, we expect you to work 45-50 hours and pay you accordingly". And I've interviewed with others where it was an unwritten rule where you were fully expected to work that much but your salary was based on a traditional 40 hour pay scale.

This.

Don't tell me after you hire me that you expect me to work 50 hours per week, especially when the HR system shows that you are officially working 40 hour weeks.

The whole "you're hired to do a job and you work as long as it takes" argument is pretty shaky. In IT, you could quite literally work around the clock all the time if you use that logic.

 

[Lonyo]

You don't work lots because you have a "better" work ethic. If anything you work lots because you have a worse work ethic. You are only in it for the money, nothing else.
You are somehow better than them for being a money whore? I don't think so. They live life, you live for money.

 

[purbeast0]

i pretty much never work more than 40 hours a week. when i do work 40 hours a week, typically i get paid those extra hours. and when i interview at places i always ask them about typical work week and what happens when working more than 40 hours.

the minute you work over 40 hours a week, your value goes down.

and for me, it's not even about the money - i enjoy my free time from work. i wouldn't even work regular 50 hours a week if i was getting paid 200k/yr.

 

[purbeast0]

You don't work lots because you have a "better" work ethic. If anything you work lots because you have a worse work ethic. You are only in it for the money, nothing else.
You are somehow better than them for being a money whore? I don't think so. They live life, you live for money.

or you may work lots because you suck at your job and it takes you longer to get the job done. part of the reason im leaving my current position is because some of the people i work with are awful at their job, and one of them works like 11 hour days 5 days a week.