Our generation's lack of work ethic and money skills.

[vi edit]

or you may work lots because you suck at your job and it takes you longer to get the job done. part of the reason im leaving my current position is because some of the people i work with are awful at their job, and one of them works like 11 hour days 5 days a week.

Yep. Conventional management hate people like me. I may come in late some days, leave early on others. Might get caught posting some stuff online. Ect. But when it comes to raw statistics and work load I thump almost everyone else on my team/division. Work smarter, not harder.

I'm primarily in a support role with some light project work and I just simply know how to get things fixed quickly and provide an excellent service to my end customer. So many other people waste time trying to figure out how to deflect work and get somebody else to take it, I just grab things and knock them out.

On the surface I look like a slacker, but when they actually pull the numbers on closed tickets and see my name come across so many projects and enterprise wide teams they have to step back and reevaluate things.

 

[JEDI]

Heck yes, time and a half for overtime.

No way would I work a second over 40 hours if I was salaried.

:thumbsup:

then i scratch my head at your younger co-workers who refuse time and half...
wtf?

 

[Saint Nick]

At age 25, I completely value my free time over my working time. Working sucks, and I don't like it. I'm constantly striving to get myself to a place where I can live well, save well, and still have free time. Might be a while, and going to have to take some risks!

 

[SaDiZTiKStyLeZ]

I honestly learned nothing about debt or credit until my mom put me in debt with medical bills while I had no insurance or income.
Their financial assistance program shit kept rejecting my shit due to insufficient information.
It took me 5 years to get that $8000 something all paid off.
Soon as I got that paid off, she put me in debt AGAIN.
And I finished school around then so those school loan bill collector's have been on my case too.

Soon as I have decent steady income I'm just filing bankruptcy & consolidating my loans, debt, whatever fuckshit.

Far as my own personal bills have gone, they have always been paid full on time.
Phone. Insurance. Anything else I happen to have to do.

 

[IGBT]

Good for them. Let them work themselves to death instead of me doing it. I work for a huge non-profit that I guarantee everyone has heard of (and is discussed in these forums often) and I won't be replaced by them.

The only way I will work long and hard hours in the future is if I have my own business. The American mentality of bragging about working long hours for someone else is twisted and quite frankly, stupid.

..all good for you but realize it or not YOU are obsolete and of no consequence in the big picture.

 

[ShawnD1]

The only way I will work long and hard hours in the future is if I have my own business. The American mentality of bragging about working long hours for someone else is twisted and quite frankly, stupid.

It's only stupid if you don't get paid for it. OT is how my parents had their house paid off in 7 years. They also had a boat and a motorhome. Being able to water ski as a kid is not something everyone gets to do, but I did

OT can also be used to collect time off. The rules seem sketchy at best. Example: my dad would work an hour extra every day then get every second friday off; it was banked 1 for 1. There's also a scheme where overtime hours are banked as 1.5 vacations hours (because it would be paid as 1.5x regular wage).

 

[Leros]

I'm 24, work 50+ hours a week, go to grad school on the side, and save 25% of my income. Do I win some kind of award?

 

[TridenT]

I'm 24, work 50+ hours a week, go to grad school on the side, and save 25% of my income. Do I win some kind of award?

And still have time to post on ATOT about it. :thumbsup:

 

[JEDI]

It's only stupid if you don't get paid for it. OT is how my parents had their house paid off in 7 years. They also had a boat and a motorhome. Being able to water ski as a kid is not something everyone gets to do, but I did

OT can also be used to collect time off. The rules seem sketchy at best. Example: my dad would work an hour extra every day then get every second friday off; it was banked 1 for 1. There's also a scheme where overtime hours are banked as 1.5 vacations hours (because it would be paid as 1.5x regular wage).

wished i had OT.
comp time: use or lose in 1yr and u cant cash it in

 

[brianmanahan]

i wish i got comp time. when i have to work 50-70 hours a week (not too often, few times a year) i get nothing in return. nada.

 

[Fingolfin269]

I work pretty long hours at my job but that's what the job requires and I'm paid well to do it. I've also been rewarded along the way. If I could ever find something as rewarding with a similar level of pay, maybe even a little less, but that offered a 40 hour per week max work week I may have to consider it. But at the same time I just can't imagine a workplace where one can really work their way up through the ranks without putting in the time. And while I'm sure some in this thread will say they work at a place exactly like what I'm looking for I have to think those places are few and far between.

 

[zerocool84]

I work pretty long hours at my job but that's what the job requires and I'm paid well to do it. I've also been rewarded along the way. If I could ever find something as rewarding with a similar level of pay, maybe even a little less, but that offered a 40 hour per week max work week I may have to consider it. But at the same time I just can't imagine a workplace where one can really work their way up through the ranks without putting in the time. And while I'm sure some in this thread will say they work at a place exactly like what I'm looking for I have to think those places are few and far between.

The thing is that there's a difference between busting your butt and working hard for a company and getting taken advantage of. People need to remember that employees are expendable at any moment no matter how much time they've put in. Everybody should work hard at their job which is a given but also need to remember that it's just a job and shouldn't be your life. I learned that the hard way and I hope others do before getting taken advantage of as well.

 

[Lithium381]

Does anyone else find that this current generation of young people (30 and under) and even some older people, lack any desire to save money or invest?

I work with many people who save zero, have no retirement, and when offered unpaid time off, they take it. Many of them average 32-35 hours a week because of their addiction to leaving early.

Needless to say, very few of these people are homeowners and most drive beater cars.

I've asked many of them about this, and their response is usually "I work to live, I don't live to work, etc."

I on the other hand lead a group of people we call at work, the "overtime ballers." Some of us working 100+ hour weeks during the holiday season. But the our group is small and most people simply do not want to work.

Young people, do you have similar experiences with co-workers?

Without reading the entire post because it's 10+ pages and I dont' have time, i'll respond to your OP. I'm 28 and have fairly decent money skills. I own a home, my car(07 corolla) and my wifes car(06 accord) are completely paid off. I've got an 800+ credit score. I max out my IRA every year and put in more than the company match to my 401k. . . . I think you need to take 5 years off of your estimate and it may be more accurate.

I work between 40 and 60 hours a week. My wife does 32-40. We have a 2-year old at home. Living the dream.

 

[Lithium381]

The thing is that there's a difference between busting your butt and working hard for a company and getting taken advantage of. People need to remember that employees are expendable at any moment no matter how much time they've put in. Everybody should work hard at their job which is a given but also need to remember that it's just a job and shouldn't be your life. I learned that the hard way and I hope others do before getting taken advantage of as well.

Good advice. I'm currently getting reamed by my employer on my salary but hopefully i'll be either bumped up or move on soon enough. I put in many overtime hours of which i'm not compensated for. . . . it's a small company and i really like the atmosphere but according to my peers, i'm about 40% underpaid for my work . . . that's a chitty feeling

 

[JMapleton]

Sounds like you have a lack of worth ethic, that you are mocking others about in your OP, if you suddenly went to a salary based job. Surprise, surprise.

I work to better myself, not a company that could fire me tomorrow.

 

[JMapleton]

And onto the OP, I had forgotten that he was a 28 year old virgin living at home. Well working that much, no wonder. GJ wasting your youth.

Wow, good job on that one. Not one point in that sentence is true.

 

[Veliko]

I work pretty long hours at my job but that's what the job requires and I'm paid well to do it. I've also been rewarded along the way. If I could ever find something as rewarding with a similar level of pay, maybe even a little less, but that offered a 40 hour per week max work week I may have to consider it. But at the same time I just can't imagine a workplace where one can really work their way up through the ranks without putting in the time. And while I'm sure some in this thread will say they work at a place exactly like what I'm looking for I have to think those places are few and far between.

You don't work your way up by staying in the same place all the time, you do it by changing jobs.

You simply don't get rewarded for loyalty and hard work.

 

[Fingolfin269]

You don't work your way up by staying in the same place all the time, you do it by changing jobs.

You simply don't get rewarded for loyalty and hard work.

Seems to be working just fine for me.

 

[Veliko]

Seems to be working just fine for me.

That's because you haven't actually looked.

 

[Tagsoft804]

Our new generation is just like machine we are doing our work and gives all our concentrate to it that's why we don't understand any other skills that's why we have lacking of all the other skills..

 

[Fingolfin269]

That's because you haven't actually looked.

Nah I'd say I'm perfectly fine with my situation since I have absolutely no desire to leave the area. You can't use a one all generality and capture every situation.

 

[Veliko]

Nah I'd say I'm perfectly fine with my situation since I have absolutely no desire to leave the area. You can't use a one all generality and capture every situation.

You said that you can't imagine anyone being able to work their way up, without doing the necessary overtime.

The fact is, anyone who is sufficiently ambitious to want to keep moving up, would be better off changing jobs every couple of years or so.

 

[JEDI]

You don't work your way up by staying in the same place all the time, you do it by changing jobs.

You simply don't get rewarded for loyalty and hard work.

ding ding din winnar!!!

quick promotions and salary increases = jumping around

b4 the recessession, a friend of mine working in IT jumped from company to company every 6 months.
he got a 10%+ increase for every company he jumped

he did that for like 3 years. he stayed at the last company because he broke the 6figure mark.
(he started at $50k)

 

[Xylitol]

What's wrong is that it's an unsustainable life style that exists only due to the xenophobia and sloth of the American middle class, foolishly believing that China is incapable of out-competing them in non-menial tasks.

The middle class is known to be the hardest working in that there are no large payouts through financial aid or easy money by already being wealthy. I don't see how you can generalize the middle class as slothful so easily.

 

[theprodigalrebel]

The fact that you are understaffed is your company's problem, not yours. If you're not getting OT pay or big bonuses, you should consider cutting back the hours or finding another job.

Precisely. theprodigalrebel is allowing his company to remain understaffed by working lots of extra hours to get things done. That's called a "sucker" or a "doormat." And before I'm accused of attacking him, let me say that just a few short years ago, I was the sucker/doormat who worked tons of additional hours to meet imaginary deadlines.

I actually agree with what everyone said - I feel like such a sucker sometimes. But here's my rationale:

It's the call center industry - there's always a metric fuckton of hell to deal with and someone else willing to do it. I started out as a CSR four years ago -the bottom of the barrel. For my trouble, I have been compensated OK and have seen growth professionally. I was a CSR, then Senior CSR, Subject Matter Expert/New Hire Mentor, Trainer, Senior Trainer - and I am now typically delegated tasks owned by the Training Manager and/or Director. Apart from overseeing new hire training and ongoing skill training, I also support the IT Field Ops and Resource Center teams in analyzing and reporting application issues that impact our productivity -kind of a BA Lite.

I am doing all of this backbreaking stuff because come January, when it's time for the results of the Annual Talent Review, I want to move up to Assistant Training Manager. I feel like I have invested enough time and energy into this gig that it would be a bad decision to leave before getting 'Manager' into my job title. And that would be a good thing - my employer is well-regarded in the industry and local job market. People who left after reaching that position have traditionally done exceptionally well for themselves elsewhere. Most job offers I have received this year would have me do what I was already doing last year.

It sounds like hell but then I look at folks who have been working as CSRs for as many as 8 years - and I think making Assistant Training Manager in 5 years kind of makes up for the trouble. Ah, the old carrot-on-a-stick...

What sucks is work used to be a 15-minute drive until last year before we relocated to accommodate expansion that is only now taking effect.