Outpost.com New Year Specials (prices keep changing)

tcsenter

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SKU# 4304825
AMD Sempron 2500+ (333FSB) Boxed Processor with ECS KT600-A Motherboard - $69.99 (no rebates, limit 1 per household)


SKU# 4321815
Intel® P4 3.0GHz E (800FSB) Boxed Processor With ECS PT800CE-A Motherboard - $179.99 (no rebates, limit 1 per household)

Both boards feature SATA RAID c/o VIA VT8237 South Bridge and Realtek ALC655 Codec. For sake of comparison:

Boxed Sempron 2500+ alone on Pricewatch: appox. $74 ~ $80

Boxed P4 3.0E alone on Pricewatch: approx. $186 ~ $190

Way good deals, while they last.

Edit: bump, deals still available.
 

divide by zero

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If there was combo deal like the Sempron with a mobo with integrated sound/vid/lan I'd be all over it.
 

tigereye

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Originally posted by: divide by zero
If there was combo deal like the Sempron with a mobo with integrated sound/vid/lan I'd be all over it.

The sempron DOES have integrated sound and LAN. Pick up a cheap video card and you're all set..
 

bjamm2

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the guy at frys tried to tell me and my dad that Sempron is sooooooo much better than Athlon XP.. i told his ass not to lie to me.
 

CrackRabbit

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Originally posted by: bjamm2
the guy at frys tried to tell me and my dad that Sempron is sooooooo much better than Athlon XP.. i told his ass not to lie to me.

what speed Sempron? If it was a 3100+ then yes it would be better than an Athlon XP.

Good deals OP!
 

tcsenter

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Originally posted by: Lurker1
I'll wait on the AMD 3200+ 64, Sempron just doesn't do it.
Try the P4 deal. ECS PT800CE-A supports up to 3.4 Prescott and 3.4 Extreme Edition. Or sell the boxed Sempron on Fleabay and use the proceeds towards an XP3200+.
 

Nick5324

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Originally posted by: DrPizza
debating....

I was too (Sempron & MB), until: Tax $5.19 Ground Shipping $6.92 Total $82.10. I'll pass this one up.

For reference, Newegg has the retail Sempron 2500 for $75 shipped, and this board is $47 shipped.
 

user1234

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Originally posted by: tcsenter
Originally posted by: Lurker1
I'll wait on the AMD 3200+ 64, Sempron just doesn't do it.
Try the P4 deal. ECS PT800CE-A supports up to 3.4 Prescott and 3.4 Extreme Edition. Or sell the boxed Sempron on Fleabay and use the proceeds towards an XP3200+.


don't forget this p4 mobo is NOT DUAL CHANNEL, so there goes all the performance fanboy
 

vegeto456

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Originally posted by: divide by zero
If there was combo deal like the Sempron with a mobo with integrated sound/vid/lan I'd be all over it.

Mwave has a shuttle with the km400 chipset which means it has vid/lan/sound for $31.50 + ship. here

Ebay the motherboard from the combo. I think it is the same one i got at fry's with my 2600+ over summer. I sold it used and bare on ebay for $39.50 + $9 shipping recently. here (I think completed ebay auctions are ok? I'll take it out if it's not)
 

tcsenter

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don't forget this p4 mobo is NOT DUAL CHANNEL, so there goes all the performance fanboy
lol! Golly, thanks for reminding me.

VIA PT800 vs. Intel 875P @ HardOCP.com:
VIA was faced with an extremely tall task of bringing a chipset to the market that not only supported the new 800MHz FSB, but also HyperThreading technology and a memory controller that could rival the dual channel memory controllers currently on the market. To say we are very impressed with the performance of the PT800 would be a gross understatement. Most of us hoped that VIA would at least put forth a competitive product comparable to that of the Intel i875P. What we got today was a very well designed product that went head to head with the best Intel desktop chipset on the market and came out a bit ahead more often than not.
Every single PT800 review I could find proved similar results. In real world benchmarks, the PT800 performs within 5% of the fastest Dual Channel PAT-enabled motherboards:

VIA PT800 vs. i875P @ Legion Hardware

VIA PT800 vs. i875P @ Tweak Town

VIA PT800 vs. i875P @ The Tech Report

VIA PT800 vs. i875P @ Hexus


From HardOCP's review:
"I am sure that many of you are wondering why are we seeing the performance results we are and really the answer is quite easy to pinpoint. It is much akin to the issues we have seen with the AMD AthlonXP becoming bottlenecked by the bus the CPU sits on as the memory bus outruns its own usefulness.

Obviously from the Sandra memory numbers, we see that the i875P's dual channel configuration offers more raw memory bandwidth to be utilized by the CPU. This much is obvious, but 'utilization' is the key here. It would seem to us that the Pentium 4, with its 'Quad Pumped' 800MHz bus is not able to utilize more bandwidth than is made available with the VIA PT800 chipset..."
Only a fanboy would consider 2 or 3 frames per second to be a major performance loss. There goes your 'theoretical' performance loss dickboy.
 

user1234

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All these reviews test the PT800 reference board from VIA, and not an actual shipping product, and they even mention that the board came slightly overclocked from VIA, and they could not change that (which is strange). So I wouldn't take these results as an accurate real world comparison. A better roundup review which tests PT880 (the dual channel successor to PT800) based MSI board shows that it lags the 865/875 by up to 5% in gaming, which means that the single channel PT800 is probably 5-10% slower than the leading Intel chipsets.

And btw, the quote from HardOCP saying that dual channel memory does not help performance is laughable, as there are many tests which show a significant performance difference between single and dual channel using the same board and memory (which is the right methodology to measure the impact of dual channel). I think they came to this wrong conclusion because they compared a manually optimized and overclocked (single channel) PT800 reference board to a below average (dual channel) 875 board, so they tried to explain it by saying the dual channel doesn't matter. But the fact is that if they ran the 875 in single channel mode, it would have been slower than the PT800, which is of course untrue as we know that 875 is even faster then PT880 in dual channel mode. As I said, the reason for the skewed results is that the boards they chose are not true representatives of their chipset class.

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tcsenter

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All these reviews test the PT800 reference board from VIA, and not an actual shipping product...
Which, if anything, means the retail boards should be at least as fast if not faster than a reference board, being an early pre-production unit with a less optimized pre-production BIOS. ALL Canterwood and Springdale boards competing against the PT800 in these reviews were production boards that had been shipping for months and undoubtedly had better optimized BIOS. For example:

The Intel D865PERL and D875PBZ motherboards tested in The Tech Report review already had several BIOS updates before the date of publication (Aug. 10th, 2003). Intel had released four BIOS updates for the D865PERL and seven BIOS updates for the D875PBZ before Aug. 10th, not counting the initial release version.

The Abit IC7 875P also had four BIOS updates released before publication of the TweakTown review on July 11, 2003.

The DFI LANPARTY PRO875 used in the Hexus review had five BIOS updates released before publication on August 29, 2003. The Epox 4PDA2+ 865PE had four.

All dual channel boards in question were well optimized production boards. A board that has been in production long enough to see several BIOS updates released is far more likely to be near its maximum performance potential than a pre-production reference board with a pre-production BIOS.

Questions?
and they even mention that the board came slightly overclocked from VIA, and they could not change that (which is strange).
Two of the five reviews measured the PT800 board's FSB to be a shocking .5% higher than spec, one-half of one percent, or 1MHz. 1MHz overclocking clearly would result in a hugely unfair advantage. :roll:

On the other hand, the Legion Hardware review noted:

"...the ASUS P4C800 is running on a 202MHz FSB where as the PT800 runs the proper 200MHz FSB. The ASUS P4C800 is one of the fastest Dual-Channel DDR boards available though it is a shame ASUS have made it impossible to test the board at the 200MHz FSB. Anyway at the end of the testing I have increased the FSB of the PT800 for a more accurate comparison."
So I wouldn't take these results as an accurate real world comparison.
Me neither. Final PT800 production boards should perform slightly better against dual channel than these tests reveal.
A better roundup review which tests PT880 (the dual channel successor to PT800) based MSI board shows that it lags the 865/875 by up to 5% in gaming, which means that the single channel PT800 is probably 5-10% slower than the leading Intel chipsets.
lol! A better indication of the PT800's real world performance than five different PT800 reviews with extremely consistent results is the measured performance of a different chipset? Ooookay!
And btw, the quote from HardOCP saying that dual channel memory does not help performance is laughable,
But not as laughable as your apparent illiteracy. The HardOCP review never stated dual channel memory does not help performance.
as there are many tests which show a significant performance difference between single and dual channel using the same board and memory (which is the right methodology to measure the impact of dual channel).
Its the right methodology to measure the performance impact of single channel vs. dual channel on the same chipset. This result cannot be transferred to a different chipset, as the unanimous results of these five different reviews prove beyond any doubt.
I think they came to this wrong conclusion because they compared a manually optimized and overclocked (single channel) PT800 reference board to a below average (dual channel) 875 board, so they tried to explain it by saying the dual channel doesn't matter.
Well don't think too hard, it doesn't seem to be your strong suit.
But the fact is that if they ran the 875 in single channel mode, it would have been slower than the PT800, which is of course untrue as we know that 875 is even faster then PT880 in dual channel mode. As I said, the reason for the skewed results is that the boards they chose are not true representatives of their chipset class.
True, the competing boards tested aren't representative of their chipset class. The boards tested have consistently been among the performance LEADERS in their chipset class.
 

user1234

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So I guess you want everyone to believe that a single channel chipset is faster then the well known dual channel performance leading chipset (865/875) ? If so, then wouldn't this mean that VIA's own dual channel PT880 is slower then its own single channel PT800 (as PT880 is slower then 875) ? And maybe it's even faster then the 925x chipsets, as these are not really faster then 875 ? So your theory is that this $37 ECS board is faster then the top of the line $200 Intel chipset based boards ? So I wonder why isn't everyone just jumping in and buying this board, and indeed why is it selling for less then $40 ? And why no one seems to care about this board, as there are almost no reviews of it anywhere ? You must have made the discovery of the decade !!

And all these wild theories, which contradict well known and established facts, are based on some test of pre production samples ? you must be living in dream land (which you probably do) if you really believe that. Which is ok, just don't try to peddle your misinformation here.
 

deadken

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I'm not sure when this went from being a 'Hot Deal' thread to a Motherboard review thread.... BUT, I will mention that I just ordered a Duron 1600 + Mobo combo from Fry's/Outpost, for $40, yesterday. I don't know if it is still avail, but I figured that I would mention it.
 
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Originally posted by: user1234
So I guess you want everyone to believe that a single channel chipset is faster then the well known dual channel performance leading chipset (865/875) ? If so, then wouldn't this mean that VIA's own dual channel PT880 is slower then its own single channel PT800 (as PT880 is slower then 875) ? And maybe it's even faster then the 925x chipsets, as these are not really faster then 875 ? So your theory is that this $37 ECS board is faster then the top of the line $200 Intel chipset based boards ? So I wonder why isn't everyone just jumping in and buying this board, and indeed why is it selling for less then $40 ? And why no one seems to care about this board, as there are almost no reviews of it anywhere ? You must have made the discovery of the decade !!

And all these wild theories, which contradict well known and established facts, are based on some test of pre production samples ? you must be living in dream land (which you probably do) if you really believe that. Which is ok, just don't try to peddle your misinformation here.
heh... It's ironic that you like to say pwned so much, when usually you are the one who ends up getting pwned. Then you can't deal with it so you ignore all the facts anyone lays in front of you, and start making up things that were never said just so you can have something to prove wrong. :roll: How sad. You're one who was misinformed, just stfu and get over it. It's obvious the most well known and established fact in this thread is that you are an immature asswipe...
 

user1234

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IronPlasma, who's immature here - the person (let's assume you qualify for this title) engaging in name calling, or someone explaining his points with reasonable arguments and facts. If you want to dispute my claims, go ahead and make a well supported case (that is, if you're capable of it) and don't resort to childish (=immature) name calling.

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Originally posted by: user1234
IronPlasma, who's immature here - the person (let's assume you qualify for this title) engaging in name calling, or someone explaining his points with reasonable arguments and facts. If you want to dispute my claims, go ahead and make a well supported case (that is, if you're capable of it) and don't resort to childish (=immature) name calling.

[pwned]
Well let's see User1234... if you didn't have short term memory loss then you'd notice that YOU were the first one in this thread to engage in immature name calling, as usual. Secondly, the only one here explaining their points with reasonable arguments and facts is tcsenter, not you. I don't need to make a well supported case to dispute you as he did a fine job of it already. (And we all see how well you handled it.) So don't resort to being a whiney hypocrite when other people decide to act towards you in the same way you act towards them. Oh, and when you truly 'pwn' someone then you don't even need to say it, as it is obvious to all... (like now.) The only one you are convincing with your [pwnage] is yourself.
 
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