Outsourcing and other trivial pursuits

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: Wolfdog
They should start outsourcing the government jobs. That would get thier attention.

Isn't that what kerry's stance is? Isn't he the "internationalist" candidate? Isn't he the one who wants the UN to decide things? Why do we need our own governing body - lets just let the UN decide - no?

Anyway - I think this "outsourcing" issue is WAY overblown. It seems to have become the whipping boy of the left.

CkG

 

[MadRat]

Mr Kerry, is the UN vote you want the US to follow that same UN vote made up 80% of Third World, you know the part that lives in the worst of the worst poverty?

 

[Dari]

Originally posted by: rchiu

Originally posted by: Dari
That's pure BS. Clinton's Presidency was very pro-business. Many businessmen here in NYC and across the country supported him because he stood for our cause. The difference between Clinton and Bush is that the former knew had to separate the issues. Clinton's economic team threats against the Japanese trade practices were limited in scope...to trade policies. I think that the Bush team have bought, either sold to them by the Chinese or engineered in their own minds, that security (read: north korea) and economics are both on the table when there are bilateral discussions. THis is stupid and risks undermining certain US interests while taking care of others.

As for Taiwan, this is a very delicate dance that all three parties understand very well. While the US supports the one-China policy agreed upon by Nixon, the Taiwanese must understand that they cannot rock the boat too much or else this will tick off a very sensitive China. Bush may sound like he's contradicting himself but the One-China Policy main success is in its vagueness. Actually, Bush statement in 2001 that he will support Taiwan at any cost actually comprehends his warning against Taiwan in December 2003. Again, this is a very delicate issue. I have an upcoming thread on it.

What is BS? Is it BS that Cheney was the CEO of Halliburton or Bush was the CEO of Spectrum 7 Energy? Clinton Admin was pro-business, but Bush Admin IS a part of the good old boy's network.

It doesn't matter what Bush team thought China can help them with, either NK issue or economic gains. The fact is that Bush has done nothing concret to address the currency advantage that China has, which is the major reason why the trade is so one sided. The fact is also that Bush sat side by side with the Chinese Primier and announced that he supported the Chinese definition of one-China policy and ignored Taiwanese's wish of having an option to become an independent country through democratic process.

Whatever the reason is, either economic gain or simply not having the guts to deal with a big powerful country, there isn't much Bush Admin is gonna do much about China.

You haven't a clue as to what you're talking about, do you?

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY

Originally posted by: Wolfdog
They should start outsourcing the government jobs. That would get thier attention.

Isn't that what kerry's stance is? Isn't he the "internationalist" candidate? Isn't he the one who wants the UN to decide things? Why do we need our own governing body - lets just let the UN decide - no?

Anyway - I think this "outsourcing" issue is WAY overblown. It seems to have become the whipping boy of the left.

CkG

"Anyway - I think this "outsourcing" issue is WAY overblown."

Only because, YOU, haven't been Outsourced......................YET.

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY

Originally posted by: Wolfdog
They should start outsourcing the government jobs. That would get thier attention.

Isn't that what kerry's stance is? Isn't he the "internationalist" candidate? Isn't he the one who wants the UN to decide things? Why do we need our own governing body - lets just let the UN decide - no?

Anyway - I think this "outsourcing" issue is WAY overblown. It seems to have become the whipping boy of the left.

CkG

"Anyway - I think this "outsourcing" issue is WAY overblown."

Only because, YOU, haven't been Outsourced......................YET.

I won't be "outsourced" and even if for some reason a position such as mine would find it's way overseas - I would simply adapt and move within the industry(or find some other industy to suceed in).

But anyway here is a little something for you and the other "they sky is falling" folks should read dave - The one percent solution

CkG

 

[chess9]

CAD:

You say that now, but remember that jobs aren't Democrats or Republicans. When you are 50, and your job has been outsourced, you want $100K a year for a new job but only Walmart will hire you at $10/hr, and you find your pension fund is bankrupt and social security is nowhere in sight, don't call us. We'll be crying too!

-Robert

 

[Rogue]

All I can say is that's it's this ill-informed, frightened people act that everyone's putting on that's causing it to happen right now. That's right! I said it. As this issue grows, it's only causing more and more businesses to consider it as an option.

I worked for Sykes Enterprises, a company very much in the sector sending jobs overseas right now. Since the beginning of the year, they've closed about 1/4 of our domestic call centers with more to come. I just started a new job working for the Government this week, so I am very much personally involved with this entire scenario being painted. I searched for and found the job because I was concerned that we would be shut down some time in the future and I wasn't willing to deal with that. However, you must also realize that the people in places like India, Costa Rica and the Phillipines that are doing these "new jobs" are not doing some kind of spectacular, knock out job at the moment. Some of our clients are considering settings things back to the status quo and bringing their business back to the US already and they're barely 6 months into it.

I guess what I'm trying to say is, the more this issue is in the public eye, the more businesses are going to consider it for themselves. America has become a nation wrought with sensationalism, both good and bad, and anytime sensationalism rears its ugly head, someone takes notice and tries to emulate the actions. The CEO and founder of Sykes himself sounded somewhat frustrated by our clientele more or less forcing his business into a situation of moving offshore. He's still of the mind that we can do it better and in the long run, cheaper than offshore areas can and I believe him when he says that.