Over 400 Scientists Challenge Gore's Man-Made Global Warming Claims

[Comanche]

I am still waiting. It is cold outside.

Coldest winter in Canada in thirty years.
Coldest winter in Australia in twenty years.
Glaciers growing in New Zealand.
First time in 40 years they have seen icebergs off the coast of New Zealand.
Ice pack getting thicker in Antartica
Ice pack getting thicker in Greenland.
Record freezing of Artic Ice Pack
Glaciers growing in Europe

And, it is cold outside. When are we going to see warmer temps?

 

[Vic]

The police in New York City
They chased a boy right through the park
And in a case of mistaken identity
They put a bullet through his heart

Heartbreakers with your forty four
I wanna tear your world apart
You heartbreakers with your forty four
I wanna tear your world a part

A ten year old girl on a street corner
Sticking needles in her arm
She died in the dirt of an alleyway
Her mother said she had no chance, no chance

Heartbreaker, heartbreaker
She stuck the pins right in her heart
Heartbreaker, pain maker
Stole the love right out of your heart

Heartbreaker, heartbreaker
You stole the love right out of my heart
Heartbreaker, heartbreaker
I wanna tear your world apart

 

[Vic]

If I could wave my magic wand...

I am made from the dust of the stars
And the oceans flow in my veins
Here I hide in the heart of the city
Like a stranger coming out of the rain

The evening plane rises up from the runway
Over constellations of light
I look down into a million houses
And wonder what you're doing tonight

If I could wave my magic wand
I'd make everything all right

I'm not one to believe in magic
But I sometimes have a second-sight
I'm not one with a sense of proportion
When my heart still changes overnight

I had a dream of a winter garden
A midnight rendezvous
Silver, blue, and frozen silence
What a fool I was for you

I had a dream of the open water
I was swimming away out to sea
So deep I could never touch bottom
What a fool I used to be

If I could wave my magic wand
I'd set everybody free

I'm not one to believe in magic
Though my memory has a second-sight
I'm not one to go pointing my finger
When I radiate more heat than light

Don't ask me
I'm just improvising
My illusion of careless flight
Can't you see
My temperature's rising
I radiate more heat than light

Don't ask me
I'm just sympathizing
My illusions a harmless flight
Can't you see
My temperature's rising
I radiate more heat than light

Edit: Text

edit2: to those who arrogantly aren't convinced, write this shit yourself: Text

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: Comanche
I am still waiting. It is cold outside.

Coldest winter in Canada in thirty years.
Coldest winter in Australia in twenty years.
Glaciers growing in New Zealand.

First time in 40 years they have seen icebergs off the coast of New Zealand.

Ice pack getting thicker in Antartica
Ice pack getting thicker in Greenland.
Record freezing of Artic Ice Pack
Glaciers growing in Europe

And, it is cold outside. When are we going to see warmer temps?

You have any proof of the bolded?

I have not heard any of that in fact have seen only the opposite.

The reason you are seeing Icebergs is because the shelf has been breaking off and you're seeing leftovers not building up.

Please go back to school. You missed a lot of science class.

Oh that's right, you're probably a youngster and science class has been replaced with creationism. My bad, you'll just go throughout life confused and wrong.

Enjoy

 

[Moonbeam]

Originally posted by: Vic

What do you mean, "I don't believe in God"?
I talk to him every day.
What do you mean, "I don't support your system"?
I go to court when I have to.
What do you mean, "I can't get to work on time"?
I got nothing better to do
And, what do you mean, "I don't pay my bills"?
Why do you think I'm broke? Huh?

If there's a new way,
I'll be the first in line.
But, it better work this time.

What do you mean, "I hurt your feelings"?
I didn't know you had any feelings.
What do you mean, "I ain't kind"?
I'm just not your kind.
What do you mean, "I couldn't be president, of the United States of America"?
Tell me something, it's still "We the people", right?

If there's a new way,
I'll be the first in line.
But, it better work this time.

Every spark of longing is but the adumbration of a long lost time

When He and You were an echoed couplet and a perfect rhyme. Moonbeam

 

[blackangst1]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: Comanche
I am still waiting. It is cold outside.

Coldest winter in Canada in thirty years.
Coldest winter in Australia in twenty years.
Glaciers growing in New Zealand.

First time in 40 years they have seen icebergs off the coast of New Zealand.

Ice pack getting thicker in Antartica
Ice pack getting thicker in Greenland.
Record freezing of Artic Ice Pack
Glaciers growing in Europe

And, it is cold outside. When are we going to see warmer temps?

You have any proof of the bolded?

I have not heard any of that in fact have seen only the opposite.

The reason you are seeing Icebergs is because the shelf has been breaking off and you're seeing leftovers not building up.

Please go back to school. You missed a lot of science class.

Oh that's right, you're probably a youngster and science class has been replaced with creationism. My bad, you'll just go throughout life confused and wrong.

Enjoy

Coldest in 15 years

First snowfall in Sydney since the 1830's

Growing glaciers in New Zealand

The additional snowfall is enough to account for 45 billion tons of water added to the ice sheet every year

Dozens of ski resorts across the Alps have begun running their lifts after unprecedented levels of snow this month.


Go home little boy. You're out of your league here.

edit: took out the personal flame. It's too easy though.

 

[Pabster]

Originally posted by: blackangst1
Coldest in 15 years

First snowfall in Sydney since the 1830's

Growing glaciers in New Zealand

The additional snowfall is enough to account for 45 billion tons of water added to the ice sheet every year

Dozens of ski resorts across the Alps have begun running their lifts after unprecedented levels of snow this month.


Go home little boy. Youre full of shit as usual.

Ouch, Dave. That looks like a pretty severe case of reality smacked right in your face. :laugh:

 

[Comanche]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: Comanche
I am still waiting. It is cold outside.

Coldest winter in Canada in thirty years.
Coldest winter in Australia in twenty years.
Glaciers growing in New Zealand.

First time in 40 years they have seen icebergs off the coast of New Zealand.

Ice pack getting thicker in Antartica
Ice pack getting thicker in Greenland.
Record freezing of Artic Ice Pack
Glaciers growing in Europe

And, it is cold outside. When are we going to see warmer temps?

You have any proof of the bolded?

I have not heard any of that in fact have seen only the opposite.

The reason you are seeing Icebergs is because the shelf has been breaking off and you're seeing leftovers not building up.

Please go back to school. You missed a lot of science class.

Oh that's right, you're probably a youngster and science class has been replaced with creationism. My bad, you'll just go throughout life confused and wrong.

Enjoy

http://www.thedailygreen.com/e...rctic-sea-ice-47121205
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/ear...07/10/15/eamont115.xml
http://www.smh.com.au/text/art.../14/1192300600742.html
http://icecap.us/index.php/go/...artic_total_ice_extent
http://www.sitnews.us/0607news...062707_ak_science.html
http://www.21stcenturysciencet.../articles/Ice_Age.html
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/sect...id=7&objectid=10363304
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/15765149/
http://www.cbc.ca/canada/story...0/winter-forecast.html (sorry, I got the number of years wrong here)

If you want more, just let me know. Oh, by the way, no need for name calling.

 

[blackangst1]

owwie.

pwned in spades.

 

[railer]

seems like this amounts to the typical "it's cold out today, what happened to GW?".

Are you disputing the fact the science believes that man contributes to global temperature increases?

 

[MadRat]

Yes.

The earth is blanketed by energy from the sun, otherwise the warming could not take place. We don't create energy out of nothing, it has to have a source. Believing that man somehow created all the extra heat is pure science fiction. The sun is either going to warm land or warm the air, but it is the same amount of warming nonetheless. You can burn all the coal in the crust and all of the trees, but you still didn't create any new energy. It was already there.

 

[PSUstoekl]

Has anyone here heard of Bangladesh? If the sea level were to rise just a few feet, hundreds of thousands of people would be without homes.

Anyone heard of the Netherlands? Same story.

 

[JD50]

Originally posted by: PSUstoekl
Has anyone here heard of Bangladesh? If the sea level were to rise just a few feet, hundreds of thousands of people would be without homes.

Anyone heard of the Netherlands? Same story.

What's your point?

 

[PSUstoekl]

My point? Sea levels have risen by about 20 cm worldwide since the industrial revolution, and if the computer projections are correct, we will see much more of this in the coming 100 years. The Netherlands would literally cease to exist, were this to happen.

We reach a point, eventually, where global warming is no longer a talking point, it's just something that needs to be accounted for.

 

[blackangst1]

Originally posted by: railer
seems like this amounts to the typical "it's cold out today, what happened to GW?".

Are you disputing the fact the science believes that man contributes to global temperature increases?

Are you disputing the links posted above? You didnt read them I guess. They arent "Its cold outside" links. Theyre "coldest in decades...most icepack in decades...etc. Take a look. Then explain it by a warmer planet.

 

[umbrella39]

I wondered to myself the other day if Rush Limbaugh had been the one to get on the GW kick and not Al Gore, would more people in this country take the matter more seriously or less?

Or would we have a complete flip flop on the issue with conservatives erring on the side of caution and the liberals attacking the message and messenger?

If the latter is the case, isn't GW just purely partisan? I'd like to think it is not but from what I have read the past few years, it seems for the most to be a party issue. There are of course exceptions as evidenced here in P&N.

 

[blackangst1]

Originally posted by: umbrella39
I wondered to myself the other day if Rush Limbaugh had been the one to get on the GW kick and not Al Gore, would more people in this country take the matter more seriously or less?

Or would we have a complete flip flop on the issue with conservatives erring on the side of caution and the liberals attacking the message and messenger?

If the latter is the case, isn't GW just purely partisan? I'd like to think it is not but from what I have read the past few years, it seems for the most to be a party issue. There are of course exceptions as evidenced here in P&N.

I dont think so. It's not the partisan coverage thats at the heart of the issue, its GW itself. There are experts on both sides, with compelling evidence to support their thoery. But the bottom line is the same: we dont know how much of an impact man has had in GW, we dont know IF man can even change the trend, and history tells us this isnt the first time (or the second for that matter) this has happened. I dont understand why all of a sudden its an emotional, emergency situation. It's the friggin planet doing its own thing.

 

[Rainsford]

Originally posted by: MadRat
Yes.

The earth is blanketed by energy from the sun, otherwise the warming could not take place. We don't create energy out of nothing, it has to have a source. Believing that man somehow created all the extra heat is pure science fiction. The sun is either going to warm land or warm the air, but it is the same amount of warming nonetheless. You can burn all the coal in the crust and all of the trees, but you still didn't create any new energy. It was already there.

That is easily the silliest thing I've ever heard in this entire debate. The sun simply radiates energy at the Earth, the effect it has on the planet's climate once it gets here is determined by a lot of complex factors, including many that human beings CAN influence. An obvious example is the ozone layer, which serves a very important role in regulating the temperature of the planet.

Man-made global warming theory does NOT rest on the idea that we are "creating all the extra heat", it says we're effecting the planet's atmosphere such that the RESULT is that things get hotter. How is it that you can participate in this debate when you don't understand either the science or the argument being made by the other side?

 

[Moonbeam]

Originally posted by: Rainsford

Originally posted by: MadRat
Yes.

The earth is blanketed by energy from the sun, otherwise the warming could not take place. We don't create energy out of nothing, it has to have a source. Believing that man somehow created all the extra heat is pure science fiction. The sun is either going to warm land or warm the air, but it is the same amount of warming nonetheless. You can burn all the coal in the crust and all of the trees, but you still didn't create any new energy. It was already there.

That is easily the silliest thing I've ever heard in this entire debate. The sun simply radiates energy at the Earth, the effect it has on the planet's climate once it gets here is determined by a lot of complex factors, including many that human beings CAN influence. An obvious example is the ozone layer, which serves a very important role in regulating the temperature of the planet.

Man-made global warming theory does NOT rest on the idea that we are "creating all the extra heat", it says we're effecting the planet's atmosphere such that the RESULT is that things get hotter. How is it that you can participate in this debate when you don't understand either the science or the argument being made by the other side?

Well you could explain things more clearly in terms folk like him can understand. Say you have a comfort blanket you drag after you wherever you go and its a hot day. You go swimming and cool off as the cooling water sucks heat out of your body. Then you go up on the beach and wrap your comfy blanky all around you and geez if afterword you find yourself getting hot. That comfy blanky is like the blanket of air that wraps the earth, thick and insulating when full of CO2 and thin and not so warm when not.

 

[Rainsford]

Originally posted by: blackangst1
...
Coldest in 15 years

First snowfall in Sydney since the 1830's

Growing glaciers in New Zealand

The additional snowfall is enough to account for 45 billion tons of water added to the ice sheet every year

Dozens of ski resorts across the Alps have begun running their lifts after unprecedented levels of snow this month.


Go home little boy. You're out of your league here.

edit: took out the personal flame. It's too easy though.

Good job on taking out the personal flames. :roll:

If you were really interested in climate change, instead of just the politics surrounding climate change, you'd know that "global warming" does not mean it is getting warmer every single second everywhere on the planet at once. In fact, there are several theories that suggest, with pretty ample scientific backing, that as the average global temperature goes up over time, certain parts of the world will actually get colder due to secondary effects of global warming. For instance, warming trends in northern Atlantic Ocean will result in a change in salinity, which will in turn disrupt the currents that carry warmer ocean water from more southern areas to northern Europe. Since those warm water currents are what gives England and other places in northern Europe a warmer climate than their northern location would suggest, the absence of the currents would actually cause those areas to get colder.

There is a reason that "climate change" has become the more adopted term in scientific circles...because it's more accurate and doesn't lend itself to the intentional or unintentional misunderstanding of what "global warming" really means. Your links pretty well demonstrate that this is a problem, since the awesome arguments you've thought up do nothing to prove the point you think you are making.

 

[Rainsford]

Originally posted by: blackangst1

Originally posted by: umbrella39
I wondered to myself the other day if Rush Limbaugh had been the one to get on the GW kick and not Al Gore, would more people in this country take the matter more seriously or less?

Or would we have a complete flip flop on the issue with conservatives erring on the side of caution and the liberals attacking the message and messenger?

If the latter is the case, isn't GW just purely partisan? I'd like to think it is not but from what I have read the past few years, it seems for the most to be a party issue. There are of course exceptions as evidenced here in P&N.

I dont think so. It's not the partisan coverage thats at the heart of the issue, its GW itself. There are experts on both sides, with compelling evidence to support their thoery. But the bottom line is the same: we dont know how much of an impact man has had in GW, we dont know IF man can even change the trend, and history tells us this isnt the first time (or the second for that matter) this has happened. I dont understand why all of a sudden its an emotional, emergency situation. It's the friggin planet doing its own thing.

That's not true. Climate change is not settled science in the same way that orbital mechanics are, but to suggest that we don't know anything at all is just silly. We have a pretty good idea, and as time goes by, our understanding gets even better. And while there are certainly scientists suggesting human beings do NOT contribute a significant amount to climate change, there are many times more scientists who suggest that we DO...and more importantly, they make a better argument.

Science is almost never 100% certain about anything, especially new ideas, but you are trying to magnify that uncertainty to claim we're just stumbling around in the dark. In reality, that's not even remotely the case, certainly not enough to justify throwing out the entire theory. The planet might "do it's own thing", but that doesn't mean WE can't possibly have an effect either.

And let's be honest here, this is almost entirely about partisan bickering. Climate science is pretty complicated, and I think this thread, and every other thread on the topic, demonstrates that most people couldn't tell climate science from a hole in the ground. Yet most people feel incredibly strongly about the topic one way or the other, a split that seems to almost entirely line up with their political leanings. Tell me this is just honest scientific debate that happens to be conducted on partisan lines by people who don't know what the hell they are talking about...because I'm a little doubtful.

 

[WHAMPOM]

If only people with an inkling of the principles of thermodynamics would post.

 

[WHAMPOM]

Originally posted by: blackangst1

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: Comanche
I am still waiting. It is cold outside.

Coldest winter in Canada in thirty years.
Coldest winter in Australia in twenty years.
Glaciers growing in New Zealand.

First time in 40 years they have seen icebergs off the coast of New Zealand.

Ice pack getting thicker in Antartica
Ice pack getting thicker in Greenland.
Record freezing of Artic Ice Pack
Glaciers growing in Europe

And, it is cold outside. When are we going to see warmer temps?

You have any proof of the bolded?

I have not heard any of that in fact have seen only the opposite.

The reason you are seeing Icebergs is because the shelf has been breaking off and you're seeing leftovers not building up.

Please go back to school. You missed a lot of science class.

Oh that's right, you're probably a youngster and science class has been replaced with creationism. My bad, you'll just go throughout life confused and wrong.

Enjoy

Coldest in 15 years

First snowfall in Sydney since the 1830's

Growing glaciers in New Zealand

The additional snowfall is enough to account for 45 billion tons of water added to the ice sheet every year

Dozens of ski resorts across the Alps have begun running their lifts after unprecedented levels of snow this month.


Go home little boy. You're out of your league here.

edit: took out the personal flame. It's too easy though.

Most people measure Global Warming by the increase in average global temperature, not by snow fall amounts or regional temperture fluctuation. Sorry, time to burn your strawmen.

 

[Rainsford]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam

Originally posted by: Rainsford

Originally posted by: MadRat
Yes.

The earth is blanketed by energy from the sun, otherwise the warming could not take place. We don't create energy out of nothing, it has to have a source. Believing that man somehow created all the extra heat is pure science fiction. The sun is either going to warm land or warm the air, but it is the same amount of warming nonetheless. You can burn all the coal in the crust and all of the trees, but you still didn't create any new energy. It was already there.

That is easily the silliest thing I've ever heard in this entire debate. The sun simply radiates energy at the Earth, the effect it has on the planet's climate once it gets here is determined by a lot of complex factors, including many that human beings CAN influence. An obvious example is the ozone layer, which serves a very important role in regulating the temperature of the planet.

Man-made global warming theory does NOT rest on the idea that we are "creating all the extra heat", it says we're effecting the planet's atmosphere such that the RESULT is that things get hotter. How is it that you can participate in this debate when you don't understand either the science or the argument being made by the other side?

Well you could explain things more clearly in terms folk like him can understand. Say you have a comfort blanket you drag after you wherever you go and its a hot day. You go swimming and cool off as the cooling water sucks heat out of your body. Then you go up on the beach and wrap your comfy blanky all around you and geez if afterword you find yourself getting hot. That comfy blanky is like the blanket of air that wraps the earth, thick and insulating when full of CO2 and thin and not so warm when not.

If I thought it would help, I might. The problem is that I don't think the issue here is a lack of understanding, I think it's an agenda that science doesn't play a very big part in. Folks clearly don't understand the science involved, yet they've also clearly already made up their minds ABOUT the science. Certainly a better understanding of the science is needed, but it seems like the first step is to get people to think about this issue in terms of science. Science is irrelevant when science isn't the central focus of this debate.

 

[dyn2nvu]

How much does Gore make per presentation? 100k? How many presentations has he done? 1000 or so?