Overclock HBM on Fury X

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SK10H

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AMD should assign 0.5 engineer starting now to improve the chip clocking API for next year release. Management fail again if I don't see this improve.
 
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It isn't plain water, so it probably has a higher boiling point. And even so, where would it spray from? It's pressurized. Unless you are implying it would blow a gasket some where?

since it has nowhere to spray from, it would spray OUT

that said, VRMs being 100 is nothing compared to the WATER being 100 which most likely not the case
 

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Well, if the outer case of the VRM is 100C, then the inner junction temp is what?
 
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I'm talking about this shot. It's showing the tubing inside the card and even the power connections being the same color as the VRM area, which they are claiming 100°C. Not talking the rad.

I think its a case of a broken FLIR camera, because the entire piping is 100C as is the PCIE connectors (LOL?)...

Why they publish false data without thinking it through is funny.

GPU temp reports 65C in Furmark from a few sites. Heat source cannot be COOLER (65C v 100C) than coolant or pipes in a water cooling loops. In my own water exp, if a CPU/GPU is 65C, the coolant temps will be around ~50C.
 
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if the outer case were 100C the water would be 100C and boiling and the pressure would have blown the clamps and thrown water all over the case.
 

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if the outer case were 100C the water would be 100C and boiling and the pressure would have blown the clamps and thrown water all over the case.

Well, it's not water. Or, it shouldn't be water.

The coolant in my car can be at 100C and still nowhere near boiling, for example.

Note that I don't think the 100C reading is accurate, or possibly it's not what it is claimed to be.
 

3DVagabond

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Well, it's not water. Or, it shouldn't be water.

The coolant in my car can be at 100C and still nowhere near boiling, for example.

Note that I don't think the 100C reading is accurate, or possibly it's not what it is claimed to be.

Then why are you arguing the point? I doubt the coolant in fury is the same as what's in your car's rad either. If you want to insist on absolute accuracy.

Still, on a sealed system the expansion of the coolant @ 100°C would likely rupture the seals. Which is the main point of those saying it's unbelievable.
 

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I asked what the junction temp of the VRM's would be if the case temp was 100C, as a way of disproving the temperature reading.

I don't really care about the water cooling at all.
 

Elixer

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I think its a case of a broken FLIR camera, because the entire piping is 100C as is the PCIE connectors (LOL?)...

Why they publish false data without thinking it through is funny.

GPU temp reports 65C in Furmark from a few sites. Heat source cannot be COOLER (65C v 100C) than coolant or pipes in a water cooling loops. In my own water exp, if a CPU/GPU is 65C, the coolant temps will be around ~50C.
Broken FLIR, pinched tubes... but, this is more normal...

http://www.guru3d.com/articles-pages/asus-radeon-r9-fury-strix-review,11.html
 

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Hope fully we get stable 1250mhz to 1300 on Fury X.. That'd lessen the gap. Though We'd probably need 1450mhz to 1500 to match a super OC 980 Ti at 1440p, and GCN just cant do that.
 

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Hope fully we get stable 1250mhz to 1300 on Fury X.. That'd lessen the gap. Though We'd probably need 1450mhz to 1500 to match a super OC 980 Ti at 1440p, and GCN just cant do that.
Don't see it that way at all. I see fury oc closing the gap considerably and thus making it a wash between the 2 single card. Dual card fury is vastly ahead
 

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Hope fully we get stable 1250mhz to 1300 on Fury X.. That'd lessen the gap. Though We'd probably need 1450mhz to 1500 to match a super OC 980 Ti at 1440p, and GCN just cant do that.

Clock speed is just a number. AMD CPU's clock higher than Intel but that doesn't make them faster. The additional bandwidth of Fury could be the ace in the hole for the design as far as scaling goes. We'll see, but I don't think it'll need 1450MHz-1500MHz. Keep in mind boost is different for the two brands as well.
 

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Well, it's not water. Or, it shouldn't be water.

The coolant in my car can be at 100C and still nowhere near boiling, for example.

Note that I don't think the 100C reading is accurate, or possibly it's not what it is claimed to be.

Why? Plenty of watercooled rigs use straight distilled water with some sort of antibacterial solution. Water is a better heat conductor than a water/antifreeze mix. Antifreeze is useful in an automotive application because it raises the boiling point and lowers the freezing point of the coolant. A watercooled rig doesn't see the wide temperature extremes like an automobile. You don't have to worry about freezing or boiling except for maybe the few people who keep their radiators outside.
 

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Why? Plenty of watercooled rigs use straight distilled water with some sort of antibacterial solution. Water is a better heat conductor than a water/antifreeze mix. Antifreeze is useful in an automotive application because it raises the boiling point and lowers the freezing point of the coolant. A watercooled rig doesn't see the wide temperature extremes like an automobile. You don't have to worry about freezing or boiling except for maybe the few people who keep their radiators outside.

Coolant also prevents galvanic corrosion.
 

crisium

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Clock speed is just a number. AMD CPU's clock higher than Intel but that doesn't make them faster. The additional bandwidth of Fury could be the ace in the hole for the design as far as scaling goes. We'll see, but I don't think it'll need 1450MHz-1500MHz. Keep in mind boost is different for the two brands as well.

I just did Ghetto math. Max oc 980 ti is 20 to 30 % faster than Fury X OC which taps out around 1100 to 1150 right now.
 

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Hope fully we get stable 1250mhz to 1300 on Fury X.. That'd lessen the gap. Though We'd probably need 1450mhz to 1500 to match a super OC 980 Ti at 1440p, and GCN just cant do that.

Let's work backwords.

Reference 980Ti boosts to 1202mhz.

It's 2% faster than a 1050mhz Fury X at 1440P.



Most 980Tis max out at 1525mhz or 27% overclock. Assuming 980Ti has 100% perfect scaling we get 1.02 x 1.27 = 1.29

That means Fury X needs a 29% overclock:

1050mhz x 1.29 = 1355mhz

Looks like your estimate of 1450-1500mhz is way off unless we include crazy outliers into the average like Nvidia Cars, TW3 + HairWorks, and just about throw every GW game under the kitchen sink in there.

Let's not forget the other side of the coin where Fury X CF already beats 980Ti SLI. If Fury X gets 200mhz extra overclocking headroom, well that's going to convincingly beat 980 Ti SLI. The more important win would be for Fury non-X. Right now the 980 barely hangs on but its needs a max overclock to 1.5Ghz. If Fury can overclock 150-200mhz, 980 is a hard sell.
 
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LTC8K6

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Why? Plenty of watercooled rigs use straight distilled water with some sort of antibacterial solution. Water is a better heat conductor than a water/antifreeze mix. Antifreeze is useful in an automotive application because it raises the boiling point and lowers the freezing point of the coolant. A watercooled rig doesn't see the wide temperature extremes like an automobile. You don't have to worry about freezing or boiling except for maybe the few people who keep their radiators outside.

Do any OEMs use distilled water?
 

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Are you talking abt clcs?
No I think they add something to the mix. There are some teardown vids of clcs & all of them has some greenish liquid.

Don't most CLCs use ethylene glycol mixtures or something?
 
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