Overclocked 5870 scores vs 480 scores - post them

[Madcatatlas]

I tried looking around the net for comparable overclocked radeon 5870 scores to look at versus the current stock gtx 480 scores and see how things pan out without waiting so much longer.

If you have some scores to post, please do so. provide a link and try to find tests with comparable test setups/system setupts.

Especially interested in Msi Ligtning like overclocked scores.

 

[Dark Shroud]

I can't find the link but one site used the XFX 5870 XXX edition. They had a horrible chart & limited info with no mention of drivers used.

I want to see the MSI Lightning, ASUS Matrix, & Sapphire TOXIC 2GB version. All 3 of these cards should even the field up quite a bit.

 

[happy medium]

A 5870 overclocked to 1000 core ,1300 mem = a gtx 480 overclocked to 800 core.
I read it at a review site but cant remember which one.

It's fairly simple math, A 5870 needs to overclock 25% to equal a gtx 480overclocked 10%.

A 5850 would need about a 40% overclock to equal a 10% overclocked gtx 480.

 

[sciwizam]

Should be easy enough, find a site that has reviewed both cards and compare benches between the two reviews.

 

[Madcatatlas]

Im having no luck.. its funny to see review sites, even the "xtreme", test this card, yet not manage a 1000/5000 overclock on this card. Im thinking about MSI lightning.

Maybe i should be looking at 5870s in general?

 

[MagickMan]

A 5870 @1GHz is tough to beat, and would require OCing a 480 higher than most of them will be able.

 

[Silverforce11]

It depends on the games, there are some TWIMTBP titles that no OC will ever help the radeon series close the gap. If you enjoy these games and can put up with the heat/noise, go fermi imo.

In neutral games, the performance % difference is very close, often less than 10%, getting to bout 5% at max res. Some even have the 5870 beating the 480. Thats what i've seen from looking at many review sites.

A 5870 typically OC ~20-25% with a minor voltage bump. Some ppl volt bump higher to go above 1ghz, but its just silly to me, at those volts its very power hungry and not worth any minor gains. A 5850 OC ~30%.

So in non-NV biased games, a OC 5850 > OC 470, and OC 5870 = OC 480. We still have the 5850 as best bang for buck. They are coming down in prices too!

 

[Rezident]

Yeah I used to not care at all about heat and power, it was all about speed, but after having a few scares I have to take the heat seriously now. 95 degrees honestly worries me – and these are the cherry-picked cards they gave reviewers. It just seems risky to me.

 

[yh125d]

A 5870 overclocked to 1000 core ,1300 mem = a gtx 480 overclocked to 800 core.
I read it at a review site but cant remember which one.

It's fairly simple math, A 5870 needs to overclock 25% to equal a gtx 480overclocked 10%.
A 5850 would need about a 40% overclock to equal a 10% overclocked gtx 480.

It's not that simple. I assume you got 25% from the 480 being 15% faster than OC'd 10%, but overclocking isn't linear like that. a 10% OC may only give 8% more performance, or the like


A 5870 would probably have to be OC'd ~18-20% to match a stock 480

 

[ZimZum]

Didn't one reviewer kill his 480 trying to overclock it?

 

[Madcatatlas]

Lol

 

[SRoode]

A 5850 would need about a 40% overclock to equal a 10% overclocked gtx 480.

I have one of those! My 2nd 5850 (HIS) overclocks to 1000 MHz pretty easily with a 0.1v bump to 1.2V. My 580W power supply has no problem with it, and my temps are nice and cool too (never higher than 65C with the fan at 60% running Heaven benchmark for an hour).

My 1st one (XFX) maxes out at 900 MHz. I paid more for the HIS ($314) because I bought it about a month after release. I paid original MSRP for the XFX ($259). But still, $314 for a card that goes toe to toe with the mighty GTX480 is pretty nice.

I think the GTX480 is a nice concept, but this iteration is not ready for prime time as far as cost and power consumption for the performance that you get. The next gen of nVidia cards will be very interesting to say the least, but this round (IMO) goes to ATI, and more specifically the HD5850. It's a really great card.

 

[SRoode]

Here's my last run with my overclocked HD5850. It's an older processor (E8600 dual core), but I have it clocked nicely at 4.3GHz (look at realtemp for CPU speed, the Heaven Benchmark is not reporting the real speed).

 

[Tempered81]

 

[SHAQ]

Nice. The 470 OC'd is equal to a stock 480.

 

[Skurge]

http://www.tweaktown.com/articles/3204/nvidia_geforce_gtx_470_video_card_overclocked/index.html

Not what you're looking for but, interesting nonetheless.

 

[SRoode]

It is very interesting Skurge, thanks for the post. The 470 is really pointless compared to the 5850. A 13% overclock on the 470 was basically the limit. The STOCK 5850 tied the 470 with max overclock in the TVR (with a price on the 5850 at $299, and you can get them for $279 now). The 470 OC'd was 16% better than the STOCK 5850 in TPR. But, my "bad" 5850 OC's 125%, and my "good" one to 140% of stock. Just about any 5850 will OC to 120% no problem.

So, the 5850 will give you much more performance and for much less money than the 470 (if you can even find one, let alone at MSRP).

 

[SRoode]

Nice. The 470 OC'd is equal to a stock 480.

An OC'd 5850 is better than an OC'd 470.

 

[SRoode]

Tempered, why no OC'd results for the ATI 5850 cards? Is it because they overclock better?

 

[happy medium]

Seems any title (Metro 2033,Crysis) that needs some balls to run favors the gtx 4xx overclock over the 5xx series.

 

[SRoode]

Seems any title (Metro 2033,Crysis) that needs some balls to run favors the gtx 4xx overclock over the 5xx series.

The graphs do not show that at all.

 

[Tempered81]

Tempered, why no OC'd results for the ATI cards? Is it because they overclock better?

There's an OC'd 5870 in there. You just have to read! Not sure what to make of the GTX480 vs. 5870 overclocking and the GTX470 vs. 5850 overclocking.

I think the 5850 will be the winner of the 4 for most overclocking headroom, and price/perf for that matter. But it looks as if the GTX480 will have the edge (percentage wise) over the 5870. And the end result should be a gtx480 maxOC beating an HD5870 maxOC. Since the GTX480's memory controllers were borked they max at ~1025-1100mhz. 5800 cards can easy do 1300mhz on the samsung memory and 1400-1500mhz on the hynix memory in the juniper parts. So as a result, most of the overclocking on the 480/470 is going to be done to the core, with volt modding hard or soft adding to the oc potential. 480 is showing better gains from a core oc than from memory anyway.

480/470 are hot as shit, so OCing just watchout for soft plastic wires and stuff in your case. Unless you're doing WC or 100% fan, it's probably a bust since it's such a HOT TURD at factory settings anyway.

Pretending that you can even sustain the temps and power draw of a 866mhz GTX480 in a gaming session, I see the final outcome averaging like so (assuming max ram 1050 for 480/470 and 1300 for 5870/5850):

800-860mhz gtx 480 110% ( see video: http://www.ngohq.com/news/17574-nvidia-geforce-gtx-480-3-way-sli-review.html)
1000-1060mhz 5870 ~101%
stock gtx 480 ------ 100%
800-860mhz gtx 470 ~100%
1000-1060mhz 5850 ~97%
stock HD 5870 ------ 88%
stock gtx 470 ------- 84%
stock HD 5850 ------ 78%

Your thoughts?

 

[SRoode]

Pretty much what I would think too. The 5850 can easily hit 900, and most will hit 950 to 1000. Given that the 5850 is about 55% of the price of a 480 (if you can get a 480 at MSRP), and can perform within 10% of it, it's a no-brainer. Compared against the 470, it's an even easier decision. I REALLY want nVidia to improve this design, and make it more efficient. It's a great concept, and if it matures more, I would have no problem buying their next gen if it was price to performance feasible. IMO, the 5850 is a VERY sweet spot.

 

[tweakboy]

What about a 5980, that would crush Fermi into Furbi lol

 

[Skurge]

An OC'd 5850 is better than an OC'd 470.

spot on mate.

http://www.tweaktown.com/reviews/3213/his_radeon_hd_5850_turbo_1gb_video_card/index.html

Compared to the stock HD 5850 we can see that the TPR rating has a nice boost. Compared to the stock GTX 470 only a few hundred points separate the two cards. If you removed Heaven Benchmark V2 from the table the HD 5850 Turbo from HIS would actually be the faster card; that's how small the difference between the two models is.