Overclocking is the Dumbest thing you can do!

[Amart]

Person1:

After working in electronics for 15 years and a bachelors degree in the field OC is the dumbest thing you can do end of story. You fail at life and science

So it's dumb buying an $100-125 CPU and overclocking it to match the performance of $250-300? Right!

Person1:

Re read what you quoted and to many years working in Electronics and knowing how shit works. You can overclock but there is really no reason to do so maybe you had great luck with a processor but in general ive seen to many boards blown and kids say I never overclock! A few simple tests show you are blowing your shit up, to many hours bench testing electronics and know better. Spend the extra 200 bucks as a simple 5% isnt enough to warrant an overclock.

Overclocking doesnt match the performance in many areas your risk is higher in burning up components, not to mention voiding the warranty of the components and having to pay another 125 for the same shitty cpu you just destroyed.
I have a Bachelors degree in EEE ive worked in the field for over 10 years exp if you must know.

<Here someone posts a reasonable explanation, and gets ignored.>

Person 2

Yes, a CPU may have a safe voltage limit, but the way it is looked at is that it runs at a cruising voltage. It gets so many years and cruises safely at the correct voltage without diminishing. Overclocking leads to shortening of lifespan and diminishing power over time indefinitely unless it is a minor overclock (in which case there is a factory overclocked available usually). Once you buy the 80 dollar cooling unit, which already voids the warranty and makes it cost the same as the upgraded processor, you may as well had bought the upgrade.

I was also just trying to list my comp configuration before to say it runs solid, good value, and very happy with it. I have the factory overclocked processor. Stock it comes 2.4 , but for a few dollars more I upgraded to the 2.53 .

<Further reasoning that gets ignored...>

Person 2

This is very true although Ive seen people burn out processors instantly from overclocking. If its more than 10% you're wasting your time (It will most likely burn out within the year or at least start to lose power which means back to square one).

Is 10% really worth loss of lifetime warranty and installing and aftermarket fan also instantly voids warranty. How can they tell if its been tampered with? No idea. Seems like it would be smart to overclock if you had the means to buy a new processor within the next year or two. Very logical case. Overclocking a brand new processor on a machine where you just spent your budget limit, wouldn't even think about it unless i had a backup.

Also, the case of power supplies, they say you can run 600 watts, read the instructions or manual though, it will run about 400 watts consistently at "cruise" voltage. Same with processor. They just set it to the correct cruise voltage. IE..if your processor is not fast enough out of the box, should have saved for a better one or be ready to throw it out if its not a minor overclock.

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It's hard to argue with people that claim "superior experience", so I was wondering if any of the regulars at Anandtech would find it amusing enough to respond.

Pardon the waste of bandwidth.

 

[Cogman]

lol, I have overclocked for a fairly long time. so far, all my CPU's still work.

 

[AmberClad]

Internet "university" degrees = fail.

 

[Lorne]

Though I never got my degree Ive been OC'ing since the C64,Amiga and the 386 days which is 20+ yrs of hands on, I personaly dont think he's stupid but maybe just ignorant and doesnt know what he's talking about.
But hey, He's the one with the degree.

 

[mooseracing]

Originally posted by: Cogman
lol, I have overclocked for a fairly long time. so far, all my CPU's still work.

Say what you want but it is the same as modifying an engine to get mroe power. More damge is done faster and your odds of the part failing are higher. It's been proven over and over again.


Not to mention nearly everyones overclock is at a different speed, different heat generated because of case configuration and different HSF. Also alot of people aren't constantly using all that extra power they unlocked, so those that don't use it as often it will last longer. Those that need all the power and are constantly about 50% usage (ie a server) are going to see a CPU fail alot sooner.

 

[AmberClad]

Or maybe he works in retail, and it's in his interest to try to convince people that they're better off buying a much more expensive CPU?

Btw, what forum was that?

 

[soccerballtux]

lol where is this forum, so we can all go register to flame this guy.

I got my processor to run 170% the stock speed and I only spent $90 on the processor and $50 on the cooler.

At 3.4Ghz, it matches the speed of the Core2Extreme X6800, which at the time of my processor purchase, cost $999.

 

[clarkey01]

Originally posted by: soccerballtux
lol where is this forum, so we can all go register to flame this guy.

I got my processor to run 170% the stock speed and I only spent $90 on the processor and $50 on the cooler.

At 3.4Ghz, it matches the speed of the Core2Extreme X6800, which at the time of my processor purchase, cost $999.

That's a win

 

[Amart]

lol where is this forum, so we can all go register to flame this guy.

Exactly the reason it won't be linked. Private gamer forum. Please refrain, you'll get me banned! ^___^

 

[judasmachine]

Sorry Mr. AthlonXP 1700+, I didn't know that you would die, or blow up, yet somehow keep going with a 45% OC. I guess I better tune down Mr. Core2Duo e6300 too. Sorry guys. I do agree that you shouldn't do it without some form of backup (ie more money, or a spare everything), but WTH?

 

[Gillbot]

Originally posted by: Amart

lol where is this forum, so we can all go register to flame this guy.

Exactly the reason it won't be linked. Private gamer forum. Please refrain, you'll get me banned! ^___^

It'll take about 30 mins for the link to get posted (if anyone here decides to do some digging) and anandtech effect to happen anyway.

 

[VirtualLarry]

That is some seriously funny shit.

Though there is some truth to it. It depends on the overclocker's experience whether or not you're likely to blow up a chip. I'm sure some newbie OC'er does blow up their chips, but more "professional" overclocks are very safe and very doable.

Plus, I'm one to tempt fate and go against the general wisdom. By all accounts, I should have fried my 3.2Ghz E2140's that load 24/7 at 9C away from TJMax. But no, they keep cranking along, running SB.

 

[aigomorla]

aigo says:

his shelf life on his oldest kentsfield was 7 months. Still alive, so they can take a beating.

So who cares about cruzing level if the cpu will last thoughout the sprint.



Yorkfield i have to get back to you guys on.

 

[Fox5]

Overclocking doesn't even really reduce the life time of the cpu as long as you don't increase voltage. Generally, it's safe to do whatever clock speeds within whatever voltage ranges the official cpus do, meaning you get more for cheaper at no penalty. The dangerous overclocks are the ones that add like half a volt and push it to 4.2ghz.

 

[solog]

Originally posted by: mooseracing
Say what you want but it is the same as modifying an engine to get mroe power. More damge is done faster and your odds of the part failing are higher. It's been proven over and over again.

So instead of my cpu lasting 22 years, it might last only something like 17?

How will I ever sleep at night now ?!?

 

[OCChronic]

Serious benchers have had insane voltages running thru their chips 24/7 under heavy loads and most CPU's still are rock solid.

I find GPU's, RAM & CHIPSETS to be the biggest culprits for early failure due to heat and overclocking. The reason for this is that cpu's will usually go into a halt state before damage ensues while the RAM, GPU or NorthBridge will just fry on & on unto it's sudden and untimely death.

Kinda like joggers who are the perfect picture of health until they collapse with a massive heart attack while running one day. =)

 

[OCGuy]

Ask him what part of Intel or AMD he works for.

When people challenge me with the "yea you are going to fry your stuff, screw overclocking!" I just smile. I dont WANT everyone to be able to take a $300 chip and beat the performance of a $1499 chip. If too many people do this, that is when they will decide we arent a niche and cut us off.

 

[KIAman]

Wow, how ignorant. Also, trying to argue with credentials rather than logic and proof is pretty pathetic.

The only reason why anyone should advocate no overclocking is because the vast majority of people do not know HOW to overclock. Components break due to bad settings and heat and the average person should not be touching anything until properly informed how to.

Once properly informed, overclocking has a huge performance/cost benefit.

Chips are produced in batches and typically binned for higher/lower speeds depending on yield. Once a process has been refined, many chips score high marks but the low end chips sell far more than the high end chips so many of the high performing chips get binned as lower priced chips. What does this mean? Lower priced chips have a similar clock threshold as the higher performance ships. With current pricing structure, it is a no brainer to purchase a lower priced chip and overclock at least to the highest binned chip speed with little fear of failure.

Also, overclocking DECREASES life of the chip but over a span of tens of years and rarely in the span of several years (extreme overclockers), but with typical computer lifecycle, one would hardly care if their $200 chip decided to fry 8 years later, which the current value would then be paperweight.

 

[Trax416]

Of course your CPU will break if you have no idea what you are doing. You would be suprised at the amount of kids just getting into PC gaming, thinking Overclocking takes all of 30 minutes and they are good to go. Then when they ask "Whats wrong, my computer won't boot right", someone tells them "just increase the voltage". 1.5 volts later, they are out of a computer.

 

[Markfw]

A few simple tests show you are blowing your shit up, to many hours bench testing electronics and know better.

And the guy can't even spell "too" in that context, but he has a degree ? In what ? stupidity ?

 

[Elias824]

Well not to mention its a pretty fun hobby too, alot of people (myself included) like to see what they can push out of a paticular setup.

my athlon 3000+ I had oc'd to 2.5 on almost 1.5v is still fine 3 years later. Ive had this C2D@3ghz for over 2 years now with no burn out. If you dont go nuts your hardware can still last quite awhile.
that being said I have burned out a few motherboards and sets of ram ocing, but its all for a good cause.

 

[firewolfsm]

I bought a Q6600 + a $30 cooler and have been sitting at the performance of a processor 4 times the price (at time of purchase) for a year now. Mine also dissipates less heat that the Extreme processor.

I basically did the same thing with my old Opty 144, I had it for 2 years overclocked stable. At the end of the two years I did have to back down from 2.9 to 2.7 as there was some deterioration but by that time I was upgrading. That was with a $15 cooler which I only bought for silence, not temperatures.

 

[Zap]

Person1:

After working in electronics for 15 years and a bachelors degree in the field

Person1:

I have a Bachelors degree in EEE ive worked in the field for over 10 years exp if you must know.

So, is it 10 years or 15 years experience?

As SOON as someone starts spouting how many years of experience he/she has and what kind of qualifications they have... immediately tells me they know Jack and Shit.

 

[bryanW1995]

I have 12+ years experience selling cars and I can definitely tell you that overclocking is fun as shit!!

 

[frostedflakes]

Originally posted by: Ocguy31
Ask him what part of Intel or AMD he works for.

When people challenge me with the "yea you are going to fry your stuff, screw overclocking!" I just smile. I dont WANT everyone to be able to take a $300 chip and beat the performance of a $1499 chip. If too many people do this, that is when they will decide we arent a niche and cut us off.

First thing that I thought of as well. Either he's working for one of these companies, or as another member suggested earlier, maybe in retail. Only somebody with a vested interest in selling overpriced CPUs would spout off such nonsense.