Overclocking this Athlon XP 1700+

[rfwinters77]

Here's a pic of the basics with CPUID:

http://img124.exs.cx/img124/3932/cpuid3ln.jpg

I've been searching and searching. I'm guessing
it's a palomino (model 6?) and not a thoroughbred
as I thought.

I'm pretty new to OC'ing, so I thought I'd get opinions
before fiddling around with it myself.

Thanks

 

[icyredsol8181]

this is off the subject, but what program do you use to take pics of your desktop, as in your picture RFWINTERS77? THANKS

 

[Amaroque]

That's a Palomino CPU.

It's most likely multiplier locked. The only way to OC that CPU is to raise the FSB.

If you want more help then that, you'll have to post some system specs.

RAM, and MB would be a start...

 

[bunnyfubbles]

I have a 1700+ Palomino, don't expect much out of it. AMD got up to 1.4GHz with the Thunderbird .18. The Palomino were the .18 XPs, and I believe they topped out at 1900+ (not sure?), which was around 1.6GHz. I was able to overclock my 1700+ to 1900+ with a little bump up in the voltage, they definately aren't the best overclockers unless you've got a rare gem. The XPs didn't really overclock well until the TbredB, although the more mature TbredAs were much better overclockers than the Palominos.

 

[Spikesoldier]

palomino topped out at 2200+ 1.8GHz iirc

 

[Assimilator1]

No XP2100 1.73GHz ,the 2200s started off being Tbred A cores.

Btw its is possible to unlock the Pal XPs but its fiddley

I had an XP1500 that topped out at 1.53GHz & an XP1600 @1.6GHz

 

[rfwinters77]

icyredsol: I'm not sure what you mean. To get a pick of the CPUID info, there's an option to save it
as a bitmap.

Amaroque: My motherboard is an MSI KT3 Ultra-ARU; 512MB PC2700 DDR RAM (set at default speeds; latency
is either 2.5 or 3...can't remember)

 

[chinkgai]

you can unlock the multiplier by bridgin something they did a laser cut on to lock the processor

do a search and you'll find a video from tom's hardware showing you how to bridge it

the chip that you got is the first amd chip i've owned and i got it to like..1650 or something with an sp97 before i upgraded to a xp-m

 

[Amaroque]

It's not worth messing with the L1 bridges. You can't OC that chip much anyway.

Why don't you just raise the FSB?

 

[Deak144]

Originally posted by: Amaroque
It's not worth messing with the L1 bridges. You can't OC that chip much anyway.

Why don't you just raise the FSB?

If you raise the FSB won't you cause your hard drive to run faster and end up causing data errors?

 

[chinkgai]

Originally posted by: Deak144

Originally posted by: Amaroque
It's not worth messing with the L1 bridges. You can't OC that chip much anyway.

Why don't you just raise the FSB?

If you raise the FSB won't you cause your hard drive to run faster and end up causing data errors?

lol...

hdds run at their rated speed, independent of the cpu or anything else for that matter...well if u dont count the ide cable you use or the software dma setting/capability

 

[3chordcharlie]

Originally posted by: Assimilator1
No XP2100 1.73GHz ,the 2200s started off being Tbred A cores.

Btw its is possible to unlock the Pal XPs but its fiddley

I had an XP1500 that topped out at 1.53GHz & an XP1600 @1.6GHz

'possible' is a strong word.

it's a major PITA.

 

[chinkgai]

wasnt that bad...you jes need good eyes and a steady hand, some tape, and a circuit writing pen or conductive paint

 

[Deak144]

Originally posted by: chinkgai
lol...

hdds run at their rated speed, independent of the cpu or anything else for that matter...well if u dont count the ide cable you use or the software dma setting/capability

So what you are saying is if I was able to boot my epox 8kha+ 266 pc with a clock of say 145, this wouldn't cause any problems with the HD?

 

[rfwinters77]

I'd really rather not try and make any hardware modifications to the chip.

Can't really afford to replace it if something goes wrong.

 

[chinkgai]

Originally posted by: Deak144

Originally posted by: chinkgai
lol...

hdds run at their rated speed, independent of the cpu or anything else for that matter...well if u dont count the ide cable you use or the software dma setting/capability

So what you are saying is if I was able to boot my epox 8kha+ 266 pc with a clock of say 145, this wouldn't cause any problems with the HD?

yes, assuming your cpu, chipset, and ram can handle that speed stably

 

[Assimilator1]

Originally posted by: 3chordcharlie

Originally posted by: Assimilator1
No XP2100 1.73GHz ,the 2200s started off being Tbred A cores.

Btw its is possible to unlock the Pal XPs but its fiddley

I had an XP1500 that topped out at 1.53GHz & an XP1600 @1.6GHz

'possible' is a strong word.

it's a major PITA.

I know I've done it ,though its much easier if you use Silicone sealant instead of superglue.

Originally posted by: chinkgai
you can unlock the multiplier by bridgin something they did a laser cut on to lock the processor

do a search and you'll find a video from tom's hardware showing you how to bridge it

the chip that you got is the first amd chip i've owned and i got it to like..1650 or something with an sp97 before i upgraded to a xp-m

Stuff what that video says! ,don't bother masking & definitely dont use superglue! ,just use some Silicone sealant, smear it over all the L1 bridges in one go,then clean off excess making sure pits stayed filled.Clean off L1 dots with a pin when its dried off (24hrs)

Amaroque has a point though ,its a fair amount of hassle for not much gain.

Originally posted by: chinkgai

Originally posted by: Deak144

Originally posted by: Amaroque
It's not worth messing with the L1 bridges. You can't OC that chip much anyway.

Why don't you just raise the FSB?

If you raise the FSB won't you cause your hard drive to run faster and end up causing data errors?

lol...

hdds run at their rated speed, independent of the cpu or anything else for that matter...well if u dont count the ide cable you use or the software dma setting/capability

Yes it can cause data corruption!, because the PCI bus & thus IDE channels are overclocked.Though usually your ok to about 37MHz ,going beyond 39-40MHz is risky but possible.

145MHz FSB will give you 36.25MHz PCI ,you will more than likely be ok at this modest speed but it is still remotely possible that you could suffer data corruption.

 

[aBrownCow]

I've got the exact same CPU in my system, and unfortunately its nothing spectacular. You can easily bump it to the level of an 1800+ but I didn't even run stable at 1900+ (of course I've got poor cooling and PSU, so YMMV). If you want a nice overclocking chip that you could use right away in your board, take a look at the XP-M 2500+ It'll probably be my next (and last) upgrade for this system.

 

[chinkgai]

Originally posted by: Assimilator1
Yes it can cause data corruption!, because the PCI bus & thus IDE channels are overclocked.Though usually your ok to about 37MHz ,going beyond 39-40MHz is risky but possible.

145MHz FSB will give you 36.25MHz PCI ,you will more than likely be ok at this modest speed but it is still remotely possible that you could suffer data corruption.

yes it can and i've had it happen to me before...but at extreme speeds where i was unstable

but highly unlikely at the measly speeds the pallys are capable of, which is why i said what i said


edit: also i thought the pci/agp channels were locked

 

[Assimilator1]

No ,only on the nfrc2 does (for skt A)

AFAIK none of the sckt A VIA chipsets have a PCI lock ,certainly none before the KT600 anyway.His is KT333


And yeah XPM 2500/2600 is the last best upgrade for skt A rigs

 

[rogue1979]

I believe his motherboard has a 1/5 divider, so just try for a 166MHz fsb. If the core has an AGOIA stepping he should make that easy with a slight bump in core voltage (1.75v or so), if the cpu cooler is decent.

 

[Assimilator1]

Assuming its not an early version of the KT333 which only supported 333 RAM & not 333 FSB! (nice one VIA :roll: )

I would of thought it very unlikely that a Palomino would manage 1.83GHz? (11x166)

 

[rfwinters77]

The cooler I have is a Slim Volcano 8. Rated for use up to an Athlon XP 2800+

The motherboard does support DDR333, but not 333Mhz FSB.
Can't use Barton chips on it.

 

[rogue1979]

Originally posted by: Assimilator1
Assuming its not an early version of the KT333 which only supported 333 RAM & not 333 FSB! (nice one VIA :roll: )

I would of thought it very unlikely that a Palomino would manage 1.83GHz? (11x166)

Your right about 1.83GHz. I was thinking of a 1600+ with the 10.5X multiplier for 1743MHz.

Though back in the day I had three AGOIA's and one of them did make it over 1800MHz.

 

[Assimilator1]

Wow! ,nice o/c for a Paly