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Face2Face

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Has anyone here played Crysis 3 @ very high settings with AA or Metro LL with SSAA @ 1080P? Is that considered maxed out?
If it is, then a 7950 is certainly not enough...
 

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Has anyone here played Crysis 3 @ very high settings with AA or Metro LL with SSAA @ 1080P? Is that considered maxed out?
If it is, then a 7950 is certainly not enough...

Most people who claim "maxed out" settings do not qualify their statement to include "without AA, physX or any special settings (DoF, Ubersampling and the like), with X setting turned to medium. Oh and my FPS are 20-40".
 
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Has anyone here played Crysis 3 @ very high settings with AA or Metro LL with SSAA @ 1080P? Is that considered maxed out?
If it is, then a 7950 is certainly not enough...
my exact settings for crysis 3 are very high except with medium shadows and I use smaa 1 at 1080. I get about 50 fps with a slightly oced 660 ti.
 

Face2Face

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Most people who claim "maxed out" settings do not qualify their statement to include "without AA, physX or any special settings (DoF, Ubersampling and the like)".

Okay, so "Maxed Out" would be all settings set to their highest setting with the exception of AA and filters of any kind..? I guess I am old school, I thought maxed out was all the sliders up and every option set to their highest. Of course much has changed in games and IQ.
 
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Crossfire 7950s handles Crysis 3 ultra everything except 2xSMAA at well above 70 fps and with no stutter

My beast OCing 660 Ti, God rest its soul, does regularly achieve well over 60 fps with 1xSMAA and shadows to medium
 

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Okay, so "Maxed Out" would be all settings set to their highest setting with the exception of AA and filters of any kind..? I guess I am old school, I thought maxed out was all the sliders up and every option set to their highest. Of course much has changed in games and IQ.

I'm not sure you read my post. I said they claim maxed out settings. I said they forget to tell you all the qualifiers.

The point is, they don't play at maxed settings, they only claim to.

Their failure to qualify their remark leads to lots of confusion.
 

Face2Face

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I'm not sure you read my post. I said they claim maxed out settings. I said they forget to tell you all the qualifiers.

The point is, they don't play at maxed settings, they only claim to.

Their failure to qualify their remark leads to lots of confusion.

Gotcha
 

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Okay, so "Maxed Out" would be all settings set to their highest setting with the exception of AA and filters of any kind..? I guess I am old school, I thought maxed out was all the sliders up and every option set to their highest. Of course much has changed in games and IQ.

Well it's not as if this term is officially defined anywhere, it's typically meant to mean all game options set to max, after market graphics effects like which are applied by the driver tools, mods or 3rd party apps can't really be accounted for.

The reply is often in the context of the question, someone who is asking this kind of a question likely does not know or care about SSAA, graphics mods and alike, people who know about those things tend to already know what sort of video card to get.
 

bystander36

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Well it's not as if this term is officially defined anywhere, it's typically meant to mean all game options set to max, after market graphics effects like which are applied by the driver tools, mods or 3rd party apps can't really be accounted for.

The reply is often in the context of the question, someone who is asking this kind of a question likely does not know or care about SSAA, graphics mods and alike, people who know about those things tend to already know what sort of video card to get.

The only problem with this is that you see 100's of posts on help forums (this is more of a debate forum) with people asking why their new rig can't play X game at max settings. All of them have things like AA cranked up to MSAA x8 or x16, using Advanced DoF and all the settings the game has to offer.
 
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seeing as how the 290 is never coming out...

my current choice is the R9 280X, what u guys think? I've been told that the GTX 770 being 100 bucks more expensive only gets a couple frames more.
 

lehtv

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Yeah, good pick. Also, Mantle support. But if given the choice between 280X and 7970+3 free games, I'd pick the latter.
 

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I've heard that the top end cards would be overkill if i am only gonna be doing 1080p gaming, is that true?

if so, what models would be overkills? 780? 770? or even 7970?

Not overkill, but it's not worth it imo. 7950 for $190 AR is king for 1080p. When overclocked, it should get 70+ FPS in BF4 w/ ultra settings (No AA). Mine should be here Monday.
 

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Not overkill, but it's not worth it imo. 7950 for $190 AR is king for 1080p. When overclocked, it should get 70+ FPS in BF4 w/ ultra settings (No AA). Mine should be here Monday.

Agreed I think the best card for price/performance is still the 7950.

enjoy!
 

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so seems like 7950 or 7870 is debatable

so i assume 7970 and above would be enough then? so like gtx 770 is like....for sure?

No a 770 is less for sure than the 7970 or 7950 because you will hit a RAM wall pretty soon. BF4 is using over 2GB and Skyrim modded often does so 770 is RAM limited.
 

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seeing as how the 290 is never coming out...

my current choice is the R9 280X, what u guys think? I've been told that the GTX 770 being 100 bucks more expensive only gets a couple frames more.
The 290 will be out before the end of the month and the 770 is RAM limited for future games.
 

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I think we have to be careful with the term 'maxing out'. To me, there is judicious maxing out and gratuitous maxing out. I like to max everything out only in the sense that I cannot get any further noticeable or worthwhile improvement in image quality, and that may not necessarily involve all the settings pushed to the hilt.
 

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cant max out many games with your oced 7950? lol what? maybe you just trying to run too much AA so simply turn that down. and if you cant run Crysis 2 on max then something is wrong with your system as you should get about 60 fps in that game.

EDIT: just played Crysis 2 for about 5 minutes on full DX 11 Ultra with high res textures on my gtx660ti which should be a little slower than your 7950 at the speeds you have.

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WTF is your definition of maxed out? Seems more like minimumed out to me.
My definition of maxed out is everything to the maximum not low AA, maximum http://www.thefreedictionary.com/maximum does not imply compromise ffs. Its maximum possible SSAA, max textures, view distance, tessellation, PhysX if card can, all bells and whistles...
 

bystander36

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WTF is your definition of maxed out? Seems more like minimumed out to me.
My definition of maxed out is everything to the maximum not low AA, maximum http://www.thefreedictionary.com/maximum does not imply compromise ffs. Its maximum possible SSAA, max textures, view distance, tessellation, PhysX if card can, all bells and whistles...

I personally consider "maxed out" to be all the graphical settings turned up, with or without AA. I consider AA more of a specialized feature almost more related to resolution. Of course I will qualify it, so there is no confusion. I also look at PhysX as an optional feature, as only Nvidia cards can use the advanced versions.
 

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WTF is your definition of maxed out? Seems more like minimumed out to me.
My definition of maxed out is everything to the maximum not low AA, maximum http://www.thefreedictionary.com/maximum does not imply compromise ffs. Its maximum possible SSAA, max textures, view distance, tessellation, PhysX if card can, all bells and whistles...
I always explain my exact settings. there are many forms of AA so again I will always say what settings I am using. for Crysis 2 there were no AA options so that is why I said DX 11 ultra with high res textures which is the max for that game. if you know me then you know I cant stand when people are vague.
 

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I personally consider "maxed out" to be all the graphical settings turned up, with or without AA. I consider AA more of a specialized feature almost more related to resolution. Of course I will qualify it, so there is no confusion. I also look at PhysX as an optional feature, as only Nvidia cards can use the advanced versions.
What?? AA is now a 'specialised feature' akin to PhysX? You have to be joking?? I've been using AA for over ten years as well as anisotropic filtering (I imagine you consider that a 'specialized feature' too). Don't tell me, as far as you're concerned a full colour (32 bit) display is a 'specialised feature'.
 
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Makaveli

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What?? AA is now a 'specialised feature' akin to PhysX? You have to be joking?? I've been using AA for over ten years as well as anisotropic filtering (I imagine you consider that a 'specialized feature' too). Don't tell me, as far as you're concerned a full colour (32 bit) display is a 'specialised feature'.

I actually agree with him.

Cause every joe shmoe on the forum has a different version of max settings yet they don't clarify when posting which is very misleading.

I also understand what you are saying these features have been available for years and on most games.

But I still consider AA and AF seperate settings from the main graphic settings even though they all appear on the same page for the most part.
 

Jacky60

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I always explain my exact settings. there are many forms of AA so again I will always say what settings I am using. for Crysis 2 there were no AA options so that is why I said DX 11 ultra with high res textures which is the max for that game. if you know me then you know I cant stand when people are vague.

There was a reference to Crysis 3 as well as 2 so perhaps I mistook what you meant. The bottom line is maxed means you can't turn any graphical settings up any more including 'specialized features' such as AA that has been removing jaggies and shimmer since the late 1990's. I accept that some forms of post processing may make images look blurry and cost more than not using them in some games but AA/AF are sacred cows and the bedrock of how I assess card performance. 16x AF and 4 or 8 xSSAA plus everything else ultra or extreme is maxed or getting towards it but realistically every setting should be as high as it can be.
 
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There was a reference to Crysis 3 as well as 2 so perhaps I mistook what you meant. The bottom line is maxed means you can't turn any graphical settings up any more including 'specialized features' such as AA that has been removing jaggies and shimmer since the late 1990's.
no the bottom line is that is only what people assume you mean if you don't explain. in others words always say the exact settings being used and dont just say maxed out with making it clear.

such as for Crysis 3 I run very high settings with medium shadows and SMAA. I could also say I max the game except for using medium shadows and SMAA.
 
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