Overpaid college coaches?

FelixDeCat

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Pay for top college football coaches keeps growing:

2006
At least $1 million 42
At least $2 million 9
At least $3 million 1
At least $4 million 0

2007
At least $1 million 50
At least $2 million 12
At least $3 million 4
At least $4 million 0

2009
At least $1 million 56
At least $2 million 25
At least $3 million 9
At least $4 million 3

Source: USA TODAY research

Lets bring common sense back to the system!
 
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Matthiasa

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If they help bring in the college at least that much money it doesn't matter.
If they don't then yeah it's to much.
 
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joesmoke

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well, if the additional revenue they generate outweighs the additional pay they recieve over a replacement coach... then yes
 

rivan

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Pay them all $5 million, and just eliminate art & history departments to make up the budget gap.

I mean, sports is where it's at, right?

I know sports = alumni donations, but seriously. It's out of hand how much gets spent on sports.
 

Dumac

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Well, being a coach is a pretty volatile job. If the team sucks, you are likely to get fired.

If having a good coach = a good team = lots of football revenue, then it is probably worth it.
 

DougK62

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Sounds to me like someone is jealous. I'm sure if you made $1 million per year you'd be singing a different tune.

I say good for them for being good at what they do and making bank. Isn't that what everyone aspires to?
 

Capt Caveman

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It is being shown time and time again that when investigative journalists track down the actual numbers on these pie-in-the-sky projections of a particular programs or persons impact on something, they are usually extremely exaggerated and overblown.

In fact, when you account for something like a HUGE salary for just ONE person you are actually in the hole. If not now, eventually.

Then what? Oh yeah! Raise tuition!!!

Are you an idiot? You do know that college football programs generate more revenue than expenses right? Football programs subsidize other university/college athletic programs and other costs(possibly tuitions). Winning football generates even more revenue thru television contracts and bowl games. Guess what, paying to get a top coach is how you get a top football program.
 

Pollock

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My coach earns something like $4.1 million, which I agree, sounds pretty outlandish.

However, my athletic department is one of the few able to post a profit, so I can't really argue with the results..

However, there are all sorts of frivolous expenses they get away with, and "student" athletes get far more attention than true students, which really boils my blood sometimes.
 

GagHalfrunt

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Given how much money can be brought into a program by a top level coach at a top level school it would be stupid not to pay that sort of salary. The boosters want to win and the boosters open up their wallets when their school does.
 

Pollock

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Are you an idiot? You do know that college football programs generate more revenue than expenses right? Football programs subsidize other university/college athletic programs and other costs(possibly tuitions). Winning football generates even more revenue thru television contracts and bowl games. Guess what, paying to get a top coach is how you get a top football program.

Only some college football programs generate more revenue than expenses. I know that at Ohio University, a few years ago, they cut men's track and a few other sports (all of which cost practically nothing to operate) while continuing to routinely take football players to lavish hotels for away games and furnish them with steak dinners.
 

FelixDeCat

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My coach earns something like $4.1 million, which I agree, sounds pretty outlandish.

However, my athletic department is one of the few able to post a profit, so I can't really argue with the results..

However, there are all sorts of frivolous expenses they get away with, and "student" athletes get far more attention than true students, which really boils my blood sometimes.

Why cant these good for nothing fat cat coaches 'give back' some of their ill gotten gains back to the colleges and universities they claim to support?
 
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Genx87

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Football programs fund the rest of the athletic dept. Especially women sports. These coaches help bring in more revenue for the athletic dept. The most important thing to remember. They are rarely a cost to the university. So they have nothing to do with raising the cost of tuition for the general population.
 

Genx87

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Why cant these good for nothing fat cat coaches 'give back' some of their ill gotten gains back to the colleges and universities they claim to support? They wont. You know why? They are greedy, one eyed fat cats fleecing hardworking students and taxpayers out of millions of dollars a year!

If the athletic dept brings in 100 million a year with a cost of 100 million. How is that a cost to tax payers and the students?!?!?!?!?!?
 

Oil

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Why cant these good for nothing fat cat coaches 'give back' some of their ill gotten gains back to the colleges and universities they claim to support? They wont. You know why? They are greedy, one eyed fat cats fleecing hardworking students and taxpayers out of millions of dollars a year!

Solution: have athletic departments receive zero taxpayer money and instead are fan and booster supported such as with LSU's TAF (Tiger Athletic Foundation)
 

Genx87

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They need to share the wealth. Who says they are entitled to spend all the money on themselves? WHO?!

If they have 0 dollars in profit, what wealth? Either way afaik these ADs are self contained entities.

Are you doing a parody here?
 

rcpratt

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Really doesn't matter if it's a good idea, that's their market value. Football and basketball coaches run programs that are very important to a school's athletic department and even overall perception.
 

sactoking

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Absolutely not a good idea. In my state 2 of the top-5 highest paid public employees (in any field) are athletic coaches. The highest paid coach makes $887,000 per year and his team generates ~$9.1 million in revenue.

I know of other state employees making $50-75k that generate 1.5-5x as much revenue.
 

Capt Caveman

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The 12 Most Valuable Teams in NCAA Football

Not only are the Texas Longhorns the most valuable college football team, they are also the most valuable NCAA team in any college sport. According to CBS Sports, the Longhorns are valued at approximately $119 million, and turned a $59 million profit last year. Perhaps appropriately, the University of Texas made its head coach – Mack Brown – the highest paid football coach of any college program, committing $5.1 million for next season on December 10, 2009 according to USA Today.. In doing so, Brown became the first NCAA football coach to cross the $5 million per year barrier. However, the salary is being paid from athletics department revenue, which “receives no government or institutional support and has transferred more than $6.6 million to the university since the 2005-06 fiscal year.” University of Texas is also “among 25 of 120 major-college programs that made more on athletics than they spent in 2007-08."

The second most valuable Big Ten football team in the country (and eighth overall) is the Ohio State Buckeyes, valued at $85 million by Forbes. It’s a two spot rise for Ohio State, who occupied the 10th spot last time rankings were compiled. It’s also worth noting that Ohio State is the only school to have its teams in the top 10 of Forbes’ football and basketball rankings (its basketball team is the 10th most valuable in the NCAA.) Interestingly, however, the immense financial and athletic success of the school has not translated to an astronomical coach’s salary. Buckeyes coach Jim Tressel is paid at a level one might expect given the school’s sparking track record, with Cleveland.com reporting that the coach signed a $3MM per year extension in 2008.
 

JS80

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These arguments are fine if you want college football to be the bastion of only rich and well connected students and alumni.

How is the average Joe Schmoe suppost to support that multimillion dollar program? Money is not being grown on trees. It is comming from somewhere.

They are pricing the whole thing out of reach of the average person.

You fail Econ 101
 

sactoking

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Solution: have athletic departments receive zero taxpayer money and instead are fan and booster supported such as with LSU's TAF (Tiger Athletic Foundation)

Only 14 FBS (and 25 total) athletic programs make money.
 

Capt Caveman

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These arguments are fine if you want college football to be the bastion of only rich and well connected students and alumni.

How is the average Joe Schmoe suppost to support that multimillion dollar program? Money is not being grown on trees. It is comming from somewhere.

They are pricing the whole thing out of reach of the average person.

From 2007, the top 20 Most Valuable College Football Programs made a profit.

In Pictures: Ranking The 20 Most Valuable College Football Teams

University of Notre Dame, Fighting Irish
Value: $101 million
Profit: $45.8 million
Conference: Independent
Head Coach: Charlie Weiss

Notre Dame's football program contributed $21.1 million to the university's academic programs last season, far more than any other college football team.
 
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IndyColtsFan

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Only 14 FBS (and 25 total) athletic programs make money.

These numbers are essentially correct. It is a common misconception that athletic departments at universities are making huge sums of money. A small percentage do, but the rest don't.

EDIT: I finally found the numbers I was looking for here.
 
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