overpriced

[JF060392]

anyone else think that everything apple is overpriced for the parts they include

 

[Gneisenau]

Me. That's one of the reasons I don't own anything Apple.

 

[TheStu]

Anyone else think you are intentionally flaming?

However, I do agree that towards the end of their life-cycles, Apple's kit is usually overpriced. However, When the latest revision of the MBP was released, nobody else had Santa Rosa, or the 8xxx Series mobile GPUs, or LED backlit screens (15" specifically) so their $2000 price tag was more than worth it. The same can be said about the Mac Pro when it was first released.

As it stands right now, the MacBook Pro is overpriced, but not obscenely so. Try to find another 15" laptop with specs close to the MBP (weight, size, hardware) and you will probably find that if they are cheaper, it is probably only by about $200 or so.

Before you flame off about your thinking that everything that Apple releases is overpriced, hop on over to Dell, or HP, Alienware, or any of the others. Configure something equivalent to it and come back to let me know the price differential (aside from discounts available to the general public, no coupons. So, no special school deals, or work deals)

Furthermore, overpriced is a relative concept. I might feel that any Lamborghini that costs more than $20,000 is overpriced since that is what I can afford. By that logic, the Mac Mini (which is pretty much the only thing in that form factor) is overpriced. The iMac (pretty much the only thing in that form factor) is overpriced. And all the rest of their kit is overpriced.

The only reason i take umbrage to your statement is not because you are bashing on my precious Apple as it may appear, but rather your approach to the thing. It is sort of like poking your head in the door of an NRA meeting and yelling "Anyone else think that guns are satan's tools?" and then walking away. I don't mind what you said, but rather how you said it.

 

[JF060392]

im not attempting to flame just wondering

 

[imported_Shivetya]

Originally posted by: JF060392
anyone else think that everything apple is overpriced for the parts they include

that is why I purchased a used one off of ebay. Let someone else pay for their ego trip and let me reap the benefits of their financial idiocy.

 

[randomlinh]

Originally posted by: JF060392
anyone else think that everything apple is overpriced for the parts they include

yes. but you're not paying for the parts. you're paying for aesthetics. and if you don't like it, don't buy it, heh.

I admit, it is a bit silly, but I also do prefer to be in OSX. If i'm more productive there, so be it.

 

[erikistired]

os x is worth the small difference you pay. i'll let someone else deal with the headache that is windows.

and yes i agree this is flamebaiting.

 

[AmigaMan]

Nope. I found that the $2700 I spent on my MBP when it first came out last year was well worth it. No other laptop at the time offered as much in terms of features, quality, aesthetics, and functionality for the price. Do I wish it were cheaper? Of course, but I had the money and I needed the laptop. Much better than the POS Dell I was using and the Lenovo T60p was practically the same price but included Windows instead of OSX. I would gladly pay more for OSX any day of the week.

Agree with the flamebaiting too. Take your trollish ways back to offtopic.

 

[AmigaMan]

Originally posted by: Shivetya

Originally posted by: JF060392
anyone else think that everything apple is overpriced for the parts they include

that is why I purchased a used one off of ebay. Let someone else pay for their ego trip and let me reap the benefits of their financial idiocy.

If you want someone else's used crap with their grubby little paws all over it, fine. As for me, if I'm spending well over a thousand dollars on something, I'd prefer to get it new. Financial idiocy...hardly. And what the hell does someone's ego have to do with it anyways?

 

[TheStu]

Originally posted by: AmigaMan

Originally posted by: Shivetya

Originally posted by: JF060392
anyone else think that everything apple is overpriced for the parts they include

that is why I purchased a used one off of ebay. Let someone else pay for their ego trip and let me reap the benefits of their financial idiocy.

If you want someone else's used crap with their grubby little paws all over it, fine. As for me, if I'm spending well over a thousand dollars on something, I'd prefer to get it new. Financial idiocy...hardly. And what the hell does someone's ego have to do with it anyways?

Didn't you know AmigaMan? Only people that have 0 self esteem and want to be cool like the big kids buy Apple. None of us bought them because we preferred them, or because we were fed up with Windows and Linux, or that they were the cheapest thing out at the time (my macbook was BTW) or anything like that.

You and I bought our macbooks solely because we felt our that our egos needed bolstering to make up for the fact that we can't post flamebait trash like this guy. Or maybe it was undersized due to our inability to hate something just because others like it. Ooh, Ooh I know... it was because our parents loved us as children and explained that doing things for our own reasons was the best way to go... that is why our egos need bolstering, hence our Apple purchase.

I do agree with you on the grubby hands bit. If it is going to be a secondary machine or is simply an undeniable deal, then I'll get it used, but I prefer to buy my stuff new.

 

[DnetMHZ]

For $1299 you can get a Macbook with a 2.16GHZ C2D 4 meg cache/ 1 Gig Ram /120GB HDD/ Dual layer Superdrive

I can't find anything on the Dell web site that even comes close in this form factor.

 

[TheStu]

Originally posted by: DnetMHZ
For $1299 you can get a Macbook with a 2.16GHZ C2D 4 meg cache/ 1 Gig Ram /120GB HDD/ Dual layer Superdrive

I can't find anything on the Dell web site that even comes close in this form factor.

Dnet... shhh... the systems are overpriced. Oceania has always been at war with Eastasia!!

War is Peace
Freedom is Slavery
Ignorance is Strength

 

[DnetMHZ]

Originally posted by: TheStu

Originally posted by: DnetMHZ
For $1299 you can get a Macbook with a 2.16GHZ C2D 4 meg cache/ 1 Gig Ram /120GB HDD/ Dual layer Superdrive

I can't find anything on the Dell web site that even comes close in this form factor.

Dnet... shhh... the systems are overpriced. Oceania has always been at war with Eastasia!!

War is Peace
Freedom is Slavery
Ignorance is Strength

Add Sony to the list.. I can't even get the Lenovo site to load.. still looking

 

[bearxor]

You might make that argument for the iMac. You certainly can't make it for the MacBook, MacBook Pro or Mac Pro.

 

[TheStu]

The overpriced argument or the not overpriced argument?

 

[AmigaMan]

Originally posted by: TheStu
The overpriced argument or the not overpriced argument?

I think he means that the iMac is overpriced. To which I agree to a point. On specs alone, you can certainly do better and do it cheaper. However, there's no way you're going to do that with the same form factor.

btw, I LMAO on your reply to my post. Awesome!

 

[kamper]

Hmm, my dad just recently bought a dell laptop with Vista on it. He mostly wants to use it with an external monitor, keyboard and mouse. However, the thing constantly messes up monitor settings when switching users, he can't shut the lid without putting the dang thing to sleep and it sometimes doesn't bring up a display when he plugs or unplugs the monitor. Probably all stuff that can be fixed with enough fiddling but I can't understand why Dell doesn't do this in the first place. The thing that I like Macs for is that you know everything is going to be smooth. They pick the hardware so you know the wireless is going to work, you know the sleep and general powersaving functionality is going to work well and it handles external monitors extremely smoothly.

Plus, I've never (not) heard a laptop as quiet as my powerbook and it doesn't come covered in crapware!

There are definitely things not to like about Apple's strategies, but if you happen to like using OS X I'd say the prices are quite reasonable.

 

[bearxor]

Originally posted by: AmigaMan

Originally posted by: TheStu
The overpriced argument or the not overpriced argument?

I think he means that the iMac is overpriced. To which I agree to a point. On specs alone, you can certainly do better and do it cheaper. However, there's no way you're going to do that with the same form factor.

Yes, sorry I didn't clarify it earlier. This is exactly it. You could do a tower + flat panel cheaper than an iMac but you won't get the form factor. Guess it depends on how much it means to you.

 

[imported_Shivetya]

Originally posted by: AmigaMan

Originally posted by: Shivetya

Originally posted by: JF060392
anyone else think that everything apple is overpriced for the parts they include

that is why I purchased a used one off of ebay. Let someone else pay for their ego trip and let me reap the benefits of their financial idiocy.

If you want someone else's used crap with their grubby little paws all over it, fine. As for me, if I'm spending well over a thousand dollars on something, I'd prefer to get it new. Financial idiocy...hardly. And what the hell does someone's ego have to do with it anyways?

so you are saying a used Mac is crap while a new one isn't?

For what its worth there is very little different that buying one less than a year old than buying a new one other than someone else ate the depreciation. I am not buying a filthy piece of crap, I am buying a system which the seller replaced with the newest generation. It is less than a year old. It still has a warranty. The seller even admitted he bought the new one because he liked the looks better and therefor had to unload this one.

If you want to throw your money away do so. I suppose you would never buy a used car? What about a house someone else owned? If not then your a sellers wet dream.

 

[imported_Shivetya]

Originally posted by: DnetMHZ
For $1299 you can get a Macbook with a 2.16GHZ C2D 4 meg cache/ 1 Gig Ram /120GB HDD/ Dual layer Superdrive

I can't find anything on the Dell web site that even comes close in this form factor.

unless Dell is running one of their sales the M1330 won't compete with the MacBook.

 

[n0cmonkey]

Nope. Unless you're going for the high end stuff. Then its overpriced*.

*for my budget.

 

[Corbett]

Actually, the whole Apple being "overpriced" argument is not very accurate.

Go ahead and price out an Apple machine, such as the Mac Pro and then go ahead and price out a machine from Dell with the same specs. They are virtually the same cost. Now throw in the fact that the Apple can run OSX and Windows, plus its design an form factor is 999x better than any Dell.

 

[Corbett]

Originally posted by: bearxor
You might make that argument for the iMac. You certainly can't make it for the MacBook, MacBook Pro or Mac Pro.

I'll challege that. Why dont you go ahead and price out a Dell system with similar specs to a MacPro and lets see what happens?

 

[AmigaMan]

Originally posted by: Shivetya

Originally posted by: AmigaMan

Originally posted by: Shivetya

Originally posted by: JF060392
anyone else think that everything apple is overpriced for the parts they include

that is why I purchased a used one off of ebay. Let someone else pay for their ego trip and let me reap the benefits of their financial idiocy.

If you want someone else's used crap with their grubby little paws all over it, fine. As for me, if I'm spending well over a thousand dollars on something, I'd prefer to get it new. Financial idiocy...hardly. And what the hell does someone's ego have to do with it anyways?

so you are saying a used Mac is crap while a new one isn't?

For what its worth there is very little different that buying one less than a year old than buying a new one other than someone else ate the depreciation. I am not buying a filthy piece of crap, I am buying a system which the seller replaced with the newest generation. It is less than a year old. It still has a warranty. The seller even admitted he bought the new one because he liked the looks better and therefor had to unload this one.

If you want to throw your money away do so. I suppose you would never buy a used car? What about a house someone else owned? If not then your a sellers wet dream.

Dude chill out. For the record, I have bought both new and used cars, and my house was definitely not new either. But for a laptop, a fragile laptop, I prefer to buy it new. I prefer to know how well it's been treated since it probably won't last more than 5 years. Perhaps I shouldn't have said "used crap", but you started it with your flamebait post. But I ain't mad, so let's crack open a :beer: agree to disagree, and enjoy our Wednesday

 

[imported_Shivetya]

Originally posted by: AmigaMan

Originally posted by: Shivetya

Originally posted by: AmigaMan

Originally posted by: Shivetya

Originally posted by: JF060392
anyone else think that everything apple is overpriced for the parts they include

that is why I purchased a used one off of ebay. Let someone else pay for their ego trip and let me reap the benefits of their financial idiocy.

If you want someone else's used crap with their grubby little paws all over it, fine. As for me, if I'm spending well over a thousand dollars on something, I'd prefer to get it new. Financial idiocy...hardly. And what the hell does someone's ego have to do with it anyways?

so you are saying a used Mac is crap while a new one isn't?

For what its worth there is very little different that buying one less than a year old than buying a new one other than someone else ate the depreciation. I am not buying a filthy piece of crap, I am buying a system which the seller replaced with the newest generation. It is less than a year old. It still has a warranty. The seller even admitted he bought the new one because he liked the looks better and therefor had to unload this one.

If you want to throw your money away do so. I suppose you would never buy a used car? What about a house someone else owned? If not then your a sellers wet dream.

Dude chill out. For the record, I have bought both new and used cars, and my house was definitely not new either. But for a laptop, a fragile laptop, I prefer to buy it new. I prefer to know how well it's been treated since it probably won't last more than 5 years. Perhaps I shouldn't have said "used crap", but you started it with your flamebait post. But I ain't mad, so let's crack open a :beer: agree to disagree, and enjoy our Wednesday

Your the one freaking out.

It wasn't flamebait, the seller of the machine admitted as much. He buys new Mac products when they come out because he likes to show off as well as enjoy using OS/X. He bought a brand spanking new iMac when they came out because of his own addiciton. Just like he replace a less than year old MPB with the new LED lit models. These same people aren't going to mistreat their hardware.

Its under warranty, so if it breaks Apple fixes it. It is much more likely a newly purchased unit will fail than one six to nine months old