Owning a dog is worse than owning an SUV

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The environmentalists have officially, beyond a reasonable doubt, lost their fucking minds...


PARIS (AFP) – Man's best friend could be one of the environment's worst enemies, according to a new study which says the carbon pawprint of a pet dog is more than double that of a gas-guzzling sports utility vehicle.

But the revelation in the book "Time to Eat the Dog: The Real Guide to Sustainable Living" by New Zealanders Robert and Brenda Vale has angered pet owners who feel they are being singled out as troublemakers.

The Vales, specialists in sustainable living at Victoria University of Wellington, analysed popular brands of pet food and calculated that a medium-sized dog eats around 164 kilos (360 pounds) of meat and 95 kilos of cereal a year.

Combine the land required to generate its food and a "medium" sized dog has an annual footprint of 0.84 hectares (2.07 acres) -- around twice the 0.41 hectares required by a 4x4 driving 10,000 kilometres (6,200 miles) a year, including energy to build the car.

To confirm the results, the New Scientist magazine asked John Barrett at the Stockholm Environment Institute in York, Britain, to calculate eco-pawprints based on his own data. The results were essentially the same.

"Owning a dog really is quite an extravagance, mainly because of the carbon footprint of meat," Barrett said.

Other animals aren't much better for the environment, the Vales say.

Cats have an eco-footprint of about 0.15 hectares, slightly less than driving a Volkswagen Golf for a year, while two hamsters equates to a plasma television and even the humble goldfish burns energy equivalent to two mobile telephones.

But Reha Huttin, president of France's 30 Million Friends animal rights foundation says the human impact of eliminating pets would be equally devastating.

"Pets are anti-depressants, they help us cope with stress, they are good for the elderly," Huttin told AFP.

"Everyone should work out their own environmental impact. I should be allowed to say that I walk instead of using my car and that I don't eat meat, so why shouldn't I be allowed to have a little cat to alleviate my loneliness?"

Sylvie Comont, proud owner of seven cats and two dogs -- the environmental equivalent of a small fleet of cars -- says defiantly, "Our animals give us so much that I don't feel like a polluter at all.

"I think the love we have for our animals and what they contribute to our lives outweighs the environmental considerations.

"I don't want a life without animals," she told AFP.

And pets' environmental impact is not limited to their carbon footprint, as cats and dogs devastate wildlife, spread disease and pollute waterways, the Vales say.

With a total 7.7 million cats in Britain, more than 188 million wild animals are hunted, killed and eaten by feline predators per year, or an average 25 birds, mammals and frogs per cat, according to figures in the New Scientist.

Likewise, dogs decrease biodiversity in areas they are walked, while their faeces cause high bacterial levels in rivers and streams, making the water unsafe to drink, starving waterways of oxygen and killing aquatic life.

And cat poo can be even more toxic than doggy doo -- owners who flush their litter down the toilet ultimately infect sea otters and other animals with toxoplasma gondii, which causes a killer brain disease.

But despite the apocalyptic visions of domesticated animals' environmental impact, solutions exist, including reducing pets' protein-rich meat intake.

"If pussy is scoffing 'Fancy Feast' -- or some other food made from choice cuts of meat -- then the relative impact is likely to be high," said Robert Vale.

"If, on the other hand, the cat is fed on fish heads and other leftovers from the fishmonger, the impact will be lower."

Other potential positive steps include avoiding walking your dog in wildlife-rich areas and keeping your cat indoors at night when it has a particular thirst for other, smaller animals' blood.

As with buying a car, humans are also encouraged to take the environmental impact of their future possession/companion into account.

But the best way of compensating for that paw or clawprint is to make sure your animal is dual purpose, the Vales urge. Get a hen, which offsets its impact by laying edible eggs, or a rabbit, prepared to make the ultimate environmental sacrifice by ending up on the dinner table.

"Rabbits are good, provided you eat them," said Robert Vale.
 

CPA

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Just another reason why this whole global warming issue is a crock of bullshit.
 

MagnusTheBrewer

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They made the wrong comparison. Compare the carbon foot print of a dog to a person. Seems pretty clear we should get rid of Robert and Brenda Vale.
 

Red Squirrel

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LMAO must be a dog hater that made this "study". It's so biased.

Most of the environmental "impacts" of animals are natural and part of nature. A car spewing out poisonous gas then times that by a billion is not exactly natural.
 

Red Squirrel

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They made the wrong comparison. Compare the carbon foot print of a dog to a person. Seems pretty clear we should get rid of Robert and Brenda Vale.

Haha yeah their comparisons are super biased it's not even funny.

I agree that there is a climate change issue (don't really like to call it global warming as it's not quite that) but small things like this arn't really the cause. The earth can deal with a certain amount of natural pollution. Even CO2 is not really that bad since plants need it to live.
 

Capt Caveman

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Wow, what a biased and ignorant report.

First off, why compare a dog to a 4x4 driving only 6,200 miles. My guess the annual avg is more like 12-15k miles. Which means a SUV is worse.

And can they identify a single waterway that has been contaminated by dog feces?
 

Red Squirrel

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Their is nothing natural about a domesticated pet and everyone having one.

And it is what it is. I mean I totally see their point. Just because you love dogs doesn't make it less true. It's just an analysis of data. If you want to do something with it fine, if not then that is fine too. Noting wrong with having more knowledge.

If these animals were not domesticated they would still exist in the wild though. Just because one decides to domesticate an animal it wont be producing pollution.
 

AnonymouseUser

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It's pretty obvious that everyone needs to kill themselves to save the earth.

Yes! All AGW believers should commit themselves wholly to eliminate the threat they are to the planet. Once they are gone the impact the rest of us make won't be so bad...
 

Lonyo

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Wow, what a biased and ignorant report.

First off, why compare a dog to a 4x4 driving only 6,200 miles. My guess the annual avg is more like 12-15k miles. Which means a SUV is worse.

And can they identify a single waterway that has been contaminated by dog feces?

Annual average where?
Remember this study was done in the UK and NZ, not the US.


And for all those saying bias etc,
1) The study was replicated with similar results.
2) You might not quite understand how much of an impact meat has in terms of "carbon footprint". Meat is very energy intensive to produce.
 

MoPHo

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Well, they'll have to pry my 3 German Shepherds, 5 Cats and 2 Birds from my global-warming, dead hands.
 
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Annual average where?
Remember this study was done in the UK and NZ, not the US.


And for all those saying bias etc,
1) The study was replicated with similar results.
2) You might not quite understand how much of an impact meat has in terms of "carbon footprint". Meat is very energy intensive to produce.

Who feeds their dog meat? The bonemeal and meat products found in most dog food are leftovers from animals processed for human consumption. Its not like there's a dog food ranch out there.
 

jonks

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Haha yeah their comparisons are super biased it's not even funny.

I agree that there is a climate change issue (don't really like to call it global warming as it's not quite that) but small things like this arn't really the cause. The earth can deal with a certain amount of natural pollution. Even CO2 is not really that bad since plants need it to live.

Well we know where this thread is going, might as well get there sooner

C02 is not that bad when it makes up .04% of the atmosphere. As we start pumping out a few million tons of it more than would otherwise be there and that percentage increases and we exacerbate the greenhouse effect, then yeah, that's a problem.

But if you'd rather, take the energy companies' word for it. After all "they call it pollution, we call it life."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7sGKvDNdJNA
 

Lonyo

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Who feeds their dog meat? The bonemeal and meat products found in most dog food are leftovers from animals processed for human consumption. Its not like there's a dog food ranch out there.

"If pussy is scoffing 'Fancy Feast' -- or some other food made from choice cuts of meat -- then the relative impact is likely to be high," said Robert Vale.

"If, on the other hand, the cat is fed on fish heads and other leftovers from the fishmonger, the impact will be lower."

I think that kinda covered it?
 

Red Squirrel

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Well we know where this thread is going, might as well get there sooner

C02 is not that bad when it makes up .04% of the atmosphere. As we start pumping out a few million tons of it more than would otherwise be there and that percentage increases and we exacerbate the greenhouse effect, then yeah, that's a problem.

But if you'd rather, take the energy companies' word for it. After all "they call it pollution, we call it life."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7sGKvDNdJNA

Haha that is kinda of funny. Yeah too much CO2 is not good, that's for sure. It needs to be balanced. Too much of anything is not good, and that's one thing we humans are bad for, is putting out too much of something. Garbage is another serious problem. Some things take 100's of years to completly biodigrade, and we produce it at a very fast pace.

Things like cat poop are probably on the bottom of the list, that stuff degrades fairly quick, and it actually goes back to the ecosystem - bugs eat it etc.
 

Zebo

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You guys worry too much. Just remember to enjoy your life. In 25,000,000 years mother nature won't even know humans were here.
 

Jeff7

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Who feeds their dog meat? The bonemeal and meat products found in most dog food are leftovers from animals processed for human consumption. Its not like there's a dog food ranch out there.
Some dog foods do use higher-grade cuts, but they're also likely to make up a small piece of the market, as they're going to be a lot more expensive. And ultimately, the dog probably doesn't give a damn. You could feed him "Joe's Various-Animal Byproducts Slurry", and he'll probably still be utterly thrilled that his owner can nearly make food appear out of thin air.


You guys worry too much. Just remember to enjoy your life. In 25,000,000 years mother nature won't even know humans were here.
True. But I don't think anyone's too terribly concerned about that sort of thing.
 
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destrekor

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It's pretty obvious that everyone needs to kill themselves to save the earth.

When shall I have all the kool-aid ready?
December 20, 2012 sound like a good date? This bulk order and the preparation of the special ingredients might take some time to have the quantities necessary for a world kool-aid party.
 

destrekor

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You could feed him "Joe's Various-Animal Byproducts Slurry", and he'll probably still be utterly thrilled that his owner can nearly make food appear out of thin air.

I never thought of it like that. Hmmm.
My dog must think I'm like... God or something.
I wonder if our beloved friends have any formal tales they pass on to each other of the miracles they have witnessed.
 

Jeff7

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I never thought of it like that. Hmmm.
My dog must think I'm like... God or something.
I wonder if our beloved friends have any formal tales they pass on to each other of the miracles they have witnessed.
Really, I mean, we've got quite a lot over them in terms of evolution. Wild dogs can't build shelter, they have to hunt down their own food, they suffer from many common diseases, and so on.
We give them the benefit of technology that's millions of years more advanced than anything they could imagine. For example, a cabinet or some such storage medium, which always seems to have small objects which invariably lead to the presence of food. Or a food bowl which magically gets refilled every day. The ability to generate light by touching a small thing on the wall. And so on.

All they have to do in return is be charming, fuzzy, and not use the carpet as toilet paper.
 
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