P-4 puts Thunderbird to shame !!!!!!!!!!!

[NOS440]

Well in my eyes the verdict is in the P-4 has landed in my case and I have nothing but good to say for it. I install 5 PCI cards in it without one problem all at once and loaded windows. I have a IDE Raid card , Network Card , Hollywood Plus DVD card , STB TV/FM card / SB Live and of coarse a geforce 2 Ultra (no special case or power Supply needed). I've run it for 2 days solid without a hitch its taken everything I could throw at it and its clocked to 1708 mhz with a bony a$$ $9 dollar cooler LOL !!! It runs windows like a mad man and Games are a blur its silky smooth at everything. Never a hard drive hit like Sdram systems and all of this out of the first revision of a Brand new product now thats research and development from the best engineers in the world. Its almost scary to think what this P-4 will be like at 3,4,5 ........ GHZ. If I was AMD I would just close the doors and Hide LOL!!!!!!!!!

 

[whalen]

I hope you enjoy your friggin 2% performance gain from your friggin 550.00 CPU....but whatever floats your boat...heh

 

[Zipperhead]

i have noticed in your replies that you are very bias to intel.i to am partial to
intel,but none the less amd has come a long way.every system i've ever had has been intel.however they have put themselves into a bad position.the p3 can no longer keep
pace with the t-bird,and for the p4,i'le bet that came cheap didn't it!what i am getting at is both company's make a good product,you shouldn't bash one cause you like the other.also the t-bird with ddr beats the p4 in a lot of ways-for about a quarter of the cost.i am building yet another new system next week-it will be amd!

Zip

 

[NOS440]

Zipperhead,whalen Yes it did come cheap Motherboard , CPU and memory cost me 580 total shipped to my door and i find that a hell of a deal when ya figure I sold my P-3 setup for more than that. Why is that everyone is so hung up on price ??? I'm not talking price here I'm talking SPPPEEEEEDDDDD and stability and smoothness. I seemed to remember the 1 GHZ Athlon and P-3 being well over a $1000 not that long ago. The performance of the P-4 is much better than either of these and any other processor and it isn't even fully supported yet!!!!!

 

[MeloManiac]

The biggest problems for Intel is that they'll probably not lower the price on the P4 enough. Just look at P3 Coppermine prices today compared to Tbirds, and Tbirds are newer than Coppermines. You can get two Tbirds for the price of an equal P3 at 1Ghz. And P4 what is that at, let's say a 1.2Ghz P4. Probably 700$ or something ridiculous. And if Intel are following the sloooooooooooooow pricedumps on P3's, P4 will not be a problematic competitor for Athlon....

 

[NOS440]

The problem with AMD is they charge to little to support a descent R&D and Software support departments. I will pay the extra bucks for Intel products because there is more value in them. Also when it comes time to sell them and upgrade Intel chips and motherboards sell much quicker and for a much higher % of there original price than AMD and this = VALUE !!!!!!!!!!

 

[rootaxs]

I'll have to agree that the P4 does perform a bit better than the Thunderbird. But it's also worth noting that you're comparing two different generation processors. The thunderbird is only good for comparing with the P3. The P4 is one generation higher than P3 and TBird.

It's like saying your P4 is faster than a 386. All the same.

And about compatibility, AMD's are pretty compatible with just about anything on the market today. Given its price and performance that imho is value. I guess it just depends on what you use computers for. If you buy computers because of their resale value then perhaps Intel's are your best bet. But if you buy computers because you need the highest level performance at the least amount of shelled out cash then the AMD is the system to beat.

 

[PieDerro]

Quit it with the CPU bashing!

Price is paramount for me (and a lot of others) and you just can't go past the 1.2GHz Athlon for guaranteed (non-overclocked) bang for buck.

P4 would be good if only I could afford one!

P.S. You're Geforce2 Ultra probably helps with the smoothness and speed you're talking about!!

 

[DarkMajiq]

I agree with PieDerro here. Price is an important factor for nearly everyone out there, and while the P4 may be a slightly better performer, it's simply not worth the huge price premium.

And NOS440, one other thing, I've seen you accuse people who support AMD of being AMD zealots who fail to see the shortcomings with the products they defend and just blindly touting their favourite products, but I don't see any difference between your defence of Intel there and what you so hate in AMD fans.

 

[rootaxs]

<< now thats research and development from the best engineers in the world >>



Just FYI, Back when NexGen was still a thriving company they had *the* best engineers any chip company could ever have.

Where are those same engineers now? AMD has them. AMD Bought NexGen.

 

[whalen]

<< P-4 puts Thunderbird to shame !!!!!!!!!!! >>



The fact is that the P4 DOESN'T put the TBird to shame, even though it is the next generation of Intel's processors. I admit, it is a tiny bit faster, but that extra cost thrown in there really doesn't make much sense to me, as well as the cost of RAMBUS.

 

[BW]

Another thing is the p4 is clocked alot higher mhz. Put an Athlon to 1.5 and then compare the performance with the 1.5 p4.

 

[BW]

here is a link

http://www.amdzone.com/forum/messageview.cfm?catid=4&amp;threadid=29370

 

[Mean MrMustard]

I agree with whalon... anyway I should hope it's better than the Thunderbird considering its has a 400 Mhz FSB and uses Rambus memory. A 2% speed gain isn't worth it.

 

[osgood111]

U could read this page whoaa!

Something's up with Intel.:Q

 

[NOS440]

osgood111 emulators are nothing more than speculators when designing any product there are trade off thats just part of the engineering process Daaaaaaa, that entire artical is full of half truths. The proof is in the feel of the system and let me tell you this thing if fast and smooth feels like a Cadilac completely refined in everyway.


BW thats a nice link that guy has his Tbird is clocking to bad it still falls short of the P-4 at the test he quoted I break 10k by a long shot dude.

Man I always heard that the Athlon was a 7th generation processor and way advanced to the P-3 now I here that it should not be compared to the P-4 it should be compared to a 5 year old P-3 product. boy how you all twist the story when the heats on !!!

PieDerro , DarkMajiq price price price do you buy nothing but chevettes too and pretend there corvettes ????

You AMD Zealots are really scatching the walls aren't ya its frightening to know your favorite cheap company is about to get stomped isn't it

 

[Insane3D]

Hey guys, don't even bother with NOS440...he thinks Intel is god when it comes to making CPU's, and you can't tell him any different...so just ignore him.

 

[NOS440]

Insane3D you guy's just can't stand someone that does say what you want to hear can ya. Man its how cheap I'll take it. Thats take a ton of brains !!!!!

 

[Dexion]

Well NOS, you seem to disrespect everyone else's opinion that differs from yours, and in favor, bash them while your at it. Ontop of that, you neglect their responses or valid arguements with profanity. It doesn't seem like you have a ton of brains that you claim to have.

 

[NOS440]

Dexion say's you !!!! your the one bashing not me. Your the one posting with nothing that has anything to do with the processors not me......... daaaaaaaa

 

[BW]

The p4 is nice but that wasnt even a ddr board that the athlon was on. Im just showing that the p4 doesnt blow away the athlon. It did beat the p4 on that test.Mayby not yours.also the clock is at 1450.Not 1500mhz

 

[Insane3D]

Yeah NOS, I just can't stand when your right....you caught me. I yield to the all knowing NOS440..my $800 P4 is on the way...

 

[NOS440]

Glad to hear you came to your senses there dude

 

[Dexion]

Maybe its time for you to quit. This isn't your first time either.

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Probably more nonsense elsewhere.

 

[MGMorden]

If you want to get a valid comparison of the Thunderbird versus the P4, take the 3dmark scores, Sandra, or whatever benchmark you choose. Do a ratio to the cost (for the uneducated, that's benchmark divided by price). Thunderbird comes ahead on virtually everything. It's a better buy.