P-4 puts Thunderbird to shame !!!!!!!!!!!

[frustrated2]

<< Too many people are wrapped in intel's security blanket thinking that they are getting a great deal because it's intel and everyone else sucks. >>




No some of us like things to run right and our past experiences say that we should stay with intel now and in the future.

my 2 cents

 

[IHYLN]

NOS, I wish I hadn't thrown out that 386 a while back. I would've put 95 on it and benched sandra/3dmark with it.

talk about a huge leap. now that I think of it, installation and benchmarking would've taken a whole day.

and if you wouldn't mind nos, post a pic of sandra ram benchmark.

 

[NOS440]

I would for ya but at this time I have no web server to post it too. let me try to register for some space with at home lastnight the reg sight was offline.

 

[NOS440]

systemshock1701 I have a Question for ya. Lets say you have a 933 setup with a Abit SA6R motherboard and 384 megs of ram and you find a deal on a P-4 1.4 and 128 mgs of PC9800 Rdram for 300.00 and you can buy a motherboard for 260 with a cooler. Now keep in mind that you know you can sell the P-3 setup for more than the cost of the P-4 setup would you upgrade ???

 

[IHYLN]

NOS, you got the P4 under an unusal circumstance. If you bought it outright from a dealer or something, you oughta have your head checked.

Even then, how is it possible to get a $750 chip at less than half the original price? Is it a stolen processor?

 

[NOS440]

IHYLN if you had read this long winded thread you would of found I have explained where it came from a bunch of times . But anyway's here goes again.

The story I was told was they were used as test bed processors for OEMs to test hardware for there setups. The guy that had them posted 20 of them on andandtech I waited a few day's and he was getting any bites. So I offered him the low price and he took it. To top that off he had no motherboard to test them with. So he offered to ship it to me first so I could try it out before I paid him ( real good dealer). So I got to try it without paying and recieved one hell of a deal because I was brave at heart and jumped in before everyone else did. I tried to get another CPU a week later and he wanted double because he was down to 2 left LOL!!

Now who here wouldn't of done the same thing if they had the chance and the money to spend ??

 

[IHYLN]

hmm.. like most of this thread pointed out. There is so substantial improvement with the current P4. It's a dead end system, you know it, I know it. intel is definitely not going to be using rambus in the future and on top of that intel is just going to come out with rehashed versions of the P4 with higher clock speeds. And not until 2ghz+ will it really start to shine. That's not bound to happen till 2002.

Me, I would've thought about it, and if it really spanked the tbird everywhere by a large margin I would've definitely jumped on the deal. Otherwise I'm happy with my current setup.

NOS, you may have a P4 but I also got a RAID0 setup with 3x 45gb IBM drives

 

[dougjnn]

One of the biggest things about P4 now which everyone is ignoring is this.

You will have to buy another motherboard in less than six months to upgrade your P4 processor.

P4 is a horribly cost ineffective choice right now. It is on average slower than Athlon 1.2 esp in a KT133a mobo. Further, to go that way now is not an investment in the future. The only thing which you might keep six months from now is the overpriced RDRAM. Which will likely come much more down in price as DDR starts coming in as more competition.

Buying a P4 system now is no investment in the future. It is money down the drain that will all have to be replaced when and if the P4 ever really does become the fastest performer sometime at the end of the year.

It is not at all clear that will happen though. Palominos may well beat it. Unlike the 2nd half P4's, Palominos will plug into current KT133a (or DDR) mobos just fine. Making the KT133A mobos with mondo cheap Crucial SDRAM a real investment in a future upgrade or two.

That is my current building, much researched, analysis.

 

[NOS440]

IHYLN you are so very wrong about Rambus it is what the P-4 is designed for and the only Memory type that will feed it. DDR isn't worth upgrading to and I think it never will be.


IHYLN you better go to my rig page I have raid too dude and I think your fooling yourself if you believe that 3 drives have any advantage in a raid 0 setup. They are still going thru 2 cables are they not ?? your really starting to show you are not very bright. Right on the manual for the raid controller you have say's that stripping 2 drives on the same cable is not possible so share with us how you are doing this ??

 

[NOS440]

dougjnn well if you pay full boat on it your right but I didn't do that. The p-4 I have now runs perfect at 1.7 ghz. Now by years end I would venture to say that the current P-4 will be scaled up too at least 1.8 to 1.9 Ghz maybe even 2 ghz on the same platform. Now I'm sure it will overclock as good or better than these early releases. Now what is the chances that I will need anything faster than a say 2.4 ghz for at least 2 years ???
Also when the hammer series from AMD come out do you really think they will run on the current platform. In the fast passed CPU market were in these days all platforms are outdated before we would like wouldn't you agree ??

 

[IHYLN]

RAID0 doesn't involve parity so it doesn't need an even number of drives. RAID0 states you must have at least two drives.

And let me guess, you want to see pics of this too? You already saw it in my first pic. I can show you a pic of the three drives in my system

 

[NOS440]

Raid 0 on a 2 channel IDE is not possible to have 3 drives. There is no way to do it dude.



<< RAID0 doesn't involve parity so it doesn't need an even number of drives. RAID0 states you must have at least two drives. >>



It also stated that no more than 1 drive per cable for raid 0 stripping. I'm sitting here reading the book right now !!

 

[NOS440]

Tell us what cables you have the 3 drives hooked too in a raid 0 setup ??

 

[dougjnn]

Nos --

Tom's hardware compared two, three and I think four drive raid 0 setups when he first did a review of Promise's ground breaking IDE Raid 0, 1 &amp; 0+1 card about six months ago. This was all based upon a two IDE channel pull from a PCI board.

You can easily find it by searching his site.

 

[slowbutsure]

:disgust: I don't have the speed most of you do, since I am running an Amd k6-2 500 with 128 megs of ram and a 16meg video card, but I run this system as a server on a three system network and don't have any problems with my computer keeping up with the lan. That's running a resolution of 1024/768/24.
I think that both companies make fine processors, but until the rest of the system hardware and the software we run can ramp up in speed to match the current processors there is no need for more speed.

By the way I will continue with Amd because in lower end systems that most people use, you get more bang for your buck with AMD.

 

[NOS440]

dougjnn I know I read it and I suggest you all go back and read it again. Its not possible to run Riad 0 with 3 drives. It is however possible to run Raid 0 +1 and so on. Even if it was possible there would be no performance advantage over 2 drives on 2 cables it just isn't possible to strip 3 drives.

 

[AdamK47]

This thread has gone on for 175 hours and 50 minutes. With 442 posts, thats an average of 1 post every 23 minutes and 52 seconds.

 

[NOS440]

LOL thats to funny are you the resident numbers man LOL!


dougjnn
Well I just went and read the raid article and you are right the promise card support 3 drives. But the Motherboard he has incorporates a High Point controller which doesn't support spanning over 3 drive in a Raid 0 setup so I am right and wrong at the same time.

 

[AdamK47]

I have to reply again. I just noticed something so stupid that it has to be pointed out. You CAN run three drives in RAID-0 you doofy fro. Heres a link to a review that uses a three drive RAID-0 config.
Read it here yo!

 

[NOS440]

I think I covered that before you doofy fro !!!







<< Well I just went and read the raid article and you are right the promise card support 3 drives. But the Motherboard he has incorporates a High Point controller which doesn't support spanning over 3 drive in a Raid 0 setup so I am right and wrong at the same time. >>




After all were talking about his setup here

 

[AdamK47]

All right.

Now that we got that covered... what post number is this? 446?

Thats 1 post evey 23 minutes and 41 seconds. hehe

 

[AdamK47]

Doofy fro! LOL

I wonder where I picked that one up. Probably from when I was in college.

 

[NOS440]

LOL you could become one of my favorite debaters !! Zephyr this guy's trying to take your place. Love your humor dude.

 

[NOS440]

Man I'm 16 post from golden member you satying up with me to have a beer to the Occasion ??

 

[CHHASmatroxuser]

So that's what all this is about ?
And I thought it was about P4 and T-Bird