P-D Presler 920@ 4.2GHz **Now @ 4.3GHz**

[Markfw]

Troll ? I own Intel, and I played with an 920. When Intel pulls its head out of its butt, and makes a good product again, I may be bashing AMD if they fall behind. Right now its Intel thats needs a good product. I go where the performance or price/performance is, and right now Intel has neither.

Also, I believe that to be called a troll, you have to say things which aren't remotely true. Tell me where I am that far off ! Everything I have said is true, and you guys even admit it ! The only possible case is the auto-gk benchmark which I haven;t tried myself. All the other benchmarks I have read, day that a 2.6 X2s beat a 4.26 Pressler most of the time.

 

[Cooler]

i would go out an get one of these cpus but intel next gen is comming real soon,

 

[Technonut]

I was going to post more benchmarks today.... But after reading through some of this thread, there was no fun in it.

It is understandable why THUGSROOK, pastorjay, and other old-timers do not hang-out much here anymore......

I do appreciate the positive comments everyone...

 

[dexvx]

Originally posted by: Markfw900
Why spend $230 on a motherboard and $250 on watercooling and $270 for a chip ($750) to get the same performance as a $300 ship and a $80 mobo ($380) ?

P5WD2-E Premium
Asrock 939NF4G-SATA2

I dont get why you are even attempting to compete a $230 board with a $80 one (I'm assuming you mean the 939 Asrock board). Asrock is owned by Asus to compete on the low end front, and thus uses cheaper components, akin to a Toyota/Lexus comparison.

A run-down of the differences:

- 2x PCI-E x16 versus 1x PCI-E x16
- 3x PCI versus 2x PCI
- Realtek ALC882M Hi-Def vs Realtek ALC850 onboard audio
- 2x gigE versus 1x 10/100
- 4x SATA2 versus 2x SATA2, also 1 external SATA2
- 8x USB 2.0 versus 4x USB 2.0
- 2x 1394a Firewire versus none

Granted some of us will never use all the features, but a more accurate comparision would be against the A8N SLI-Deluxe., which retails for around the $200 mark as well.

 

[Markfw]

dexvx, I was comparing my 945P-A which does run stevety's 920 just fine at 3.1, and and after figureing out the PCIE OC trick that he had to use on his ASUS mobo, I am sure it would also get to 3.64 on air like he did(my 820d was also stuck back at 3.1 until I re-set one bios setting to make the PCIe bus sync to get back to 3.43) . But that config is still not as good as an X2 3800, I have the equivalent of the 920 (no changes except die shrink) and it has to get to 4.2-4.4 to even come even with the X2 3800, and also sucks a lot more juice and STILL puts out more heat. Granted, the 920 is better than the 820, but we need a real fix from Intel, not a bandaid. Yonah, Conroe, Merom, etc.... WHEN they are available for review may be interesting.

I made the comparison, since the ONLY way to get to 4.2 (the equivalent or close speed) is to get the $200 mobo and watercooling, which ISN'T required of an X2 for the same performance. Nobody has acknowledged that yet, but that was my point.

 

[Technonut]

I made the comparison, since the ONLY way to get to 4.2 (the equivalent or close speed) is to get the $200 mobo and watercooling, which ISN'T required of an X2 for the same performance. Nobody has acknowledged that yet, but that was my point.

And has what to do with my thread on OC'ing and benchmarking the 920? The title of this thread is NOT "Value OC'ing the the Presler 920"

 

[stevty2889]

@3.7ghz it pulled ahead of my X2 in autoGK, and also Pov-ray(although it doesnt' seem to be SMP aware, or I don't know how to set it to be), was still behind in cinebench though. I'm interested in the 975x board, because I know I can get more outta this chip, plus there is a decent possibility of Conroe support when it comes out as well. Plus I'll have still spent less on the 920($264) + P5WD2-E premium($230) than my X2 system 4200+ ($420) + DFI ultra-D ($135). It'll run at 3.7ghz on the stock heatsink, and while it's still hot as to be expected for a netburst chip, it still runs cooler than my 830 did at stock speeds.

 

[Avalon]

Mark, as much as I usually agree with your comments, they had no place in this thread today. If this were a thread asking for purchasing advice, your comments would be understandable, but this is an overclocking thread by someone who knows what he wants and knows what he is doing/choosing. This is about having fun with a new chip, so let it be please.

I would like Technonut and other OC'ing enthusiasts to stay here, not be run off.

 

[Markfw]

Avalon, Well you are correct in one thing, I was trying to make a point about this processor that most who read this may not have known. I did not intend to make them angry, but as an enthusiast, I don't see the point of beating a dead horse. (820 was beat to death, 920 is only a little cooler). I even played with Stevety's over her, just so I could see what they are like, and I must say I was not impressed, and I was sharing that, as well as MY overclocking experience with the same chip. I guess nobody wants to hear the bad, just the good about this chip, so I will shut up.

 

[Minot]

Technonut, have you only run you 920 on your Asus P5WD2-P? Do you know if all boards experience the same northbridge overheating at 333 MHz FSB? I'm very interested in your experience and interested in upgrading my current intel test platform (Pentium 2.4/1M/533 @ 3.00GHz). Unfortunately, I can't spend that kind of cash on the board (even at refurb prices). I'd be looking at an Asus P5LD2 (945P northbridge). Do you tihnk I'd be able to hit atleast 3.8 GHz using a 920? Or will I be limited by chipset heating? Thanks for your insight. Keep your results coming!

 

[TuxDave]

Nice overclock Technonut

 

[Technonut]

Originally posted by: Minot
Technonut, have you only run you 920 on your Asus P5WD2-P? Do you know if all boards experience the same northbridge overheating at 333 MHz FSB? I'm very interested in your experience and interested in upgrading my current intel test platform (Pentium 2.4/1M/533 @ 3.00GHz). Unfortunately, I can't spend that kind of cash on the board (even at refurb prices). I'd be looking at an Asus P5LD2 (945P northbridge). Do you tihnk I'd be able to hit atleast 3.8 GHz using a 920? Or will I be limited by chipset heating? Thanks for your insight. Keep your results coming!

Yes, I have only run the 920 on the P5WD2-P... It never hurts and usually helps to actively cool the NB heatsink while OC'ing. (This is the reason that some enthusiast mobos are designed with a NB fan) In my case, throwing on a spare 40mm fan that I had around was no big deal...

I cannot comment much on the P5LD2... ASUS does have a BIOS out for it from early this month that states: "Support new CPUs." I remember seeing one person on another forum having a difficult time getting past 235MHz FSB with the 920/ P5LD2 (3290MHz). If you do try it out, the results would be interesting, and very helpful to those looking for a less expensive mobo to pair with and OC the 920 if successful....




Again, I appreciate the positive comments everyone... I do need to relax today.. (Sunday) I will post more benchmarks tomorrow. I know that the results do interest enough here to make it worthwhile...

 

[Acanthus]

Very nice OC, thanks for posting your results

 

[stevty2889]

Originally posted by: Minot
Technonut, have you only run you 920 on your Asus P5WD2-P? Do you know if all boards experience the same northbridge overheating at 333 MHz FSB? I'm very interested in your experience and interested in upgrading my current intel test platform (Pentium 2.4/1M/533 @ 3.00GHz). Unfortunately, I can't spend that kind of cash on the board (even at refurb prices). I'd be looking at an Asus P5LD2 (945P northbridge). Do you tihnk I'd be able to hit atleast 3.8 GHz using a 920? Or will I be limited by chipset heating? Thanks for your insight. Keep your results coming!

I don't know 100% sure the P5LD2 will do the same thing..but my P5LD2-VM won't let you set the FSB higher than 265mhz FSB unless you have a 1066mhz FSB CPU, so I can't go higher than 3.7ghz on it. If you change it to 266 or higher, it just drops it back to 265 automaticly.

 

[ctbrown]

Edit: Sorry did't see the E. The non E are P5WD2-E premium are$199

Hmm, Ewiz has the P5WD2-E premium(the 975X chipset board) for $230 which is a lot lower than I have seen anywhere else..I might have to get me one.

They're at Newwegg for $199

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16813131534

 

[SuperSix]

Originally posted by: Markfw900
Avalon, Well you are correct in one thing, I was trying to make a point about this processor that most who read this may not have known. I did not intend to make them angry, but as an enthusiast, I don't see the point of beating a dead horse. (820 was beat to death, 920 is only a little cooler). I even played with Stevety's over her, just so I could see what they are like, and I must say I was not impressed, and I was sharing that, as well as MY overclocking experience with the same chip. I guess nobody wants to hear the bad, just the good about this chip, so I will shut up.

Nice thread hijack, douchebag.

But I did gain one thing - I know to ignore you and your posts from now on.

 

[Tangerines]

Originally posted by: Markfw900
I guess nobody wants to hear the bad, just the good about this chip, so I will shut up.

Good.

 

[Pabster]

Originally posted by: Acanthus
Very nice OC, thanks for posting your results

:thumbsup:

 

[isp]

whatever mark I'll gladly take 4100mhz on stock volts and air cooling

What do you care what other people do with their money anyway? Do us all a favor and don't try to "save" anyone from buying intel...

 

[Minot]

Originally posted by: Technonut

Yes, I have only run the 920 on the P5WD2-P... It never hurts and usually helps to actively cool the NB heatsink while OC'ing. (This is the reason that some enthusiast mobos are designed with a NB fan) In my case, throwing on a spare 40mm fan that I had around was no big deal...

I cannot comment much on the P5LD2... ASUS does have a BIOS out for it from early this month that states: "Support new CPUs." I remember seeing one person on another forum having a difficult time getting past 235MHz FSB with the 920/ P5LD2 (3290MHz). If you do try it out, the results would be interesting, and very helpful to those looking for a less expensive mobo to pair with and OC the 920 if successful....

Again, I appreciate the positive comments everyone... I do need to relax today.. (Sunday) I will post more benchmarks tomorrow. I know that the results do interest enough here to make it worthwhile...

I'll do some more research first. I'm looking to upgrade my sole Intel system (P4 2.4A @ 3.0 GHz). The 920 and the P5DL2 are in my price range. I'll let you know if I go for it. BTW, what memory do you recommend? I haven't delved into the DDR2 world yet.

 

[isp]

Techno:
Nice results man

That patriot memory looks like it's screaming fast...
I run @ 4.2 also, but my PQI 2gb will only do 375 5-4-4-12. So you get about 3500mb/sec more mem bandwidth than I. I guess that's to be expected though, as these sticks only cost like $140.

Edit: Also, I would love to see some more of your benchmarks.

 

[Big Lar]

Nice Job

 

[Technonut]

Originally posted by: isp

Techno:
Nice results man

That patriot memory looks like it's screaming fast...
I run @ 4.2 also, but my PQI 2gb will only do 375 5-4-4-12. So you get about 3500mb/sec more mem bandwidth than I. I guess that's to be expected though, as these sticks only cost like $140.

Edit: Also, I would love to see some more of your benchmarks.

Thanks.... Yes, the older "fat body" Micron chips in the Patriot are great.. I was fooling around @ 4.33GHz (stable, but too much VCore for my liking) and was blown-away with this RAM. Check out this 9033 MB/s Everest mem read screenie.. :Q This was @ 928MHz DDR (4-3-2-4) and Memtest86+ stable... Incredible IMO.




I added Cinebench 2003 and ScienceMark 2.0 benchmark results today. More to come... Any requests?

Originally posted by: Big Lar
Nice Job

Thanks Larry....

 

[isp]

if you're bored you might want to toss your hat into this ring...

a photoshop test...
http://hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=926660

 

[ND40oz]

Also, I'd like to see a crystalmark run like the old competition, if you don't mind. I don't think it's been updated in awhile.

My 930 was delivered today, but it's down in receiving, so I have to wait until tomorrow.