P&N Political/religious poll

[PatboyX]

liberal and otherwise confused.

 

[Caminetto]

Originally posted by: waldo
Liberal/Mormon!

I didn't think it was possible.

 

[bamacre]

Conservative/i believe in God

But never voted for Bush

 

[J Heartless Slick]

Originally posted by: nick1985
title says it all

Do you mean the Judeo-Christian god or any god, Zeus, Apollo, etc?

 

[Spamela]

<---devout Catholic &amp; mostly liberal.

 

[TastesLikeChicken]

Liberal. I don't believe in God but if I really need to speak to him I have a bottle of Cabo Wabo stashed away.

 

[Perknose]

Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
Liberal. I don't believe in God but if I really need to speak to him I have a bottle of Cabo Wabo stashed away.

Well, if TastesLikeTofu is a liberal, then so am I! And I firmly believe in the Divine, which is my belief that there is something passably eternal as yet not fully accounted for or comprehended by the empiricism we funnel through our five biological senses.

This is not to be confused with believing in Joe God, residing at 1 Heaven Place. Many believe Joe God "made" man in "His" image, I laugh. Just the opposite, we have crudely misconstrued the Divine as somehow being in our image, a sort of Superman with a white beard, a personality like ourselves. Exuse me while I laugh again at the crude inadequacy of that.

I liken this to trying to explain the space/time continuum using the language and world view of Newtonian physics. What are we up to now in current theory, 11 different dimensions in which you CAN be in two places at once (quantum mechanics)? It seems any true understanding of our physical world weirdly outstirps our language and current concepts' ability to explain or understand it, by a country mile.

And yet, most of us still persist in talking about the DIVINE (or what I will tongue in cheekedly call here the Ultimate Unified Field Theory) in terms of soap operatic passion plays, clearly meant to be metaphorical reductionist tools for letting the great unwashed and unlearned in on the secret that there may well be a DIVINE, a kind of dog and pony show for the peasants.

Angry Joe God = Flat Earth Theory in terms of its sophistication and ability to explain what actually might be, which might LITERALLY be beyond our wildest imaginations. It is said that certain natives actually could not SEE the conquistadors' ships on the ocean because they lacked the concept of "SHIPS"! You literally cannot see what you don't have the concepts to comprehend.

But, hey, thanks for the poll.

 

[LordMagnusKain]

Originally posted by: Kibbo
And I'm a Liberal, yet admit to rational doubt on the whole god thing.

If you didn't have rational doubt then it wouldn't be faith. Anyone who uses lots of words and deeper thoughts to try to prove to himself or others the existence of God may well be trying to avoid having, as Jesus said, "faith like a child"

 

[Red Dawn]

Moderate and an Atheist. The notion of a God/Gods seems ridiculous to me.

 

[ericlp]

Originally posted by: Tabb
Indepdent - I don't beileve in any of the current religions, they're dumb. I only hope God exsist cause not knowing what happens after this sounds crappy.

Same here... Except for the existence of God, Since what ever happens will happen. So why even hope about it? If you are even to HOPE for an existence of a GOD, you better start believing since you'd for sure go to hell for not believing. That sounds even more crappier.

I believe in the SUN god. Something you can actually FEEL and SEE every day.

I can't believe in the devil for one must believe in god before one must believe in the devil!


Ok, So, I can't vote for this topic since I am neither LEFT or RIGHT. I think the entire game that our taxes spent 4 billion on for to figure out what side of the fence you should stand on was a total joke. It became more of how many religious brothers can we call to vote for a particular party.

 

[Gen Stonewall]

You probably know where I stand.

 

[imported_waldo]

Originally posted by: Gen Stonewall
You probably know where I stand.

Actually I don't!

 

[Gen Stonewall]

Originally posted by: waldo

Originally posted by: Gen Stonewall
You probably know where I stand.

Actually I don't!

Okay... conservative/believe in God

 

[Gen Stonewall]

I have a question: Does "believe in God" mean "believe in the existence of God" or "follow God"? My interpretation of it is the latter, but I would guess that many people see it as the former.

 

[nick1985]

Originally posted by: J Heartless Slick

Originally posted by: nick1985
title says it all

Do you mean the Judeo-Christian god or any god, Zeus, Apollo, etc?

any god

 

[ITJunkie]

Originally posted by: Astaroth33
I'm in the middle (liberal on some issues, conservative on others), and do not believe that deities exist.

Same here but I believe in God.

 

[TastesLikeChicken]

Originally posted by: Perknose

Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
Liberal. I don't believe in God but if I really need to speak to him I have a bottle of Cabo Wabo stashed away.

Well, if TastesLikeTofu is a liberal, then so am I! And I firmly believe in the Divine, which is my belief that there is something passably eternal as yet not fully accounted for or comprehended by the empiricism we funnel through our five biological senses.

Awww. C'mon Porknose. Me being a liberal has nothing to do with you.

This is not to be confused with believing in Joe God, residing at 1 Heaven Place. Many believe Joe God "made" man in "His" image, I laugh. Just the opposite, we have crudely misconstrued the Divine as somehow being in our image, a sort of Superman with a white beard, a personality like ourselves. Exuse me while I laugh again at the crude inadequacy of that.

I liken this to trying to explain the space/time continuum using the language and world view of Newtonian physics. What are we up to now in current theory, 11 different dimensions in which you CAN be in two places at once (quantum mechanics)? It seems any true understanding of our physical world weirdly outstirps our language and current concepts' ability to explain or understand it, by a country mile.

And yet, most of us still persist in talking about the DIVINE (or what I will tongue in cheekedly call here the Ultimate Unified Field Theory) in terms of soap operatic passion plays, clearly meant to be metaphorical reductionist tools for letting the great unwashed and unlearned in on the secret that there may well be a DIVINE, a kind of dog and pony show for the peasants.

Angry Joe God = Flat Earth Theory in terms of its sophistication and ability to explain what actually might be, which might LITERALLY be beyond our wildest imaginations. It is said that certain natives actually could not SEE the conquistadors' ships on the ocean because they lacked the concept of "SHIPS"! You literally cannot see what you don't have the concepts to comprehend.

But, hey, thanks for the poll.

Theories like yours can be reduced to wondering whether our entire universe is actually a pimple on some alien's ass. What some could not understand in the past is no indication that we can't possibly ever understand. Even the natives, once over the initial awe and wonderment, could understand ships even if such a thing had never occured to them previously.

My own theory is that as part of a physical universe that has very specific and defined laws and constructs that there is no reason why we can't eventually understand every single facet of it. Usually people will respond with "Well, there could potentially be things outside of our universe that we don't even know." That's very true, and actually very likely if you subscribe to M-theory and can wrap your head around branes that can exist in 10 or 11 dimensions. But if it's true then we are part of that construct also and anything we are part of we can comprehend, even if that comprehension takes time.

iow, I don't buy the argument that there are things we cannot understand or comprehend.

 

[Rainsford]

Liberal and I don't believe in God (not to say I'm not spiritual...)

 

[ForThePeople]

I'll believe in God when he actually does something to prove that he exists. Just one of those Old Testament level phenomena - if he splits a sea, or causes the 1st born child of all non-believers to die off, or another flood that covers the entire Earth or if he rains fire on a contemporary sin city like he did Sodom.

Just your basic "beyond natural explanation" type event that shows unbelieving humans that he exists and we'd better acknowledge it; the kind of behavior he used to do.

It seems that God has all but vanished once mankind started keeping accurate records and thinking rationally. What we have instead is a rational, cause and effect knowledge of the world available to anyone who wishes to know it.

We have immense science and immense technology - I'll take microwave ovens, air conditions, cars, computers, advanced surgery, a man on the moon, atomic theory, computers, etc.

I'll start believing in God once he starts giving me some proof that he exists. Until then it is science, science, science.

And if you are reading this on a computer (duh) or own a car you have benefitted from science. It's about time man grew up and threw out the old stories cave dwellers used to explain scary things.

And the Bible? A collection of stories for the "meek of the Earth" to feel special despite how bad their lives may be. It's just karmic socialism - you will be rewarded and those un-believers will be made to pay in the next life.

 

[Steeplerot]

Respect has to be earned, with the ways xtrian have used his name their god gets 0% respect from me.
Blind worship of a seemingly invisible fairytale responsible for all this death and hate? fat chance.
I have my own mind and heart to follow -a moldy old book to manipulate the masses into submission is not my style.
Hopefully the ignorance of the past will be shed and the human race can move on from our idealogical cradles soon.
It's only a matter of time, their god is dying more and more daily and the human races chains of superstition are being lifted as our own imposed blindfolds fall away from peoples eyes with technology and science.
I don't even argue with them anymore I just nod and smile politely, those people's minds are closed. That is the point of the christian faith. Blind obidence by self imposed guilt.

 

[Ozoned]

Originally posted by: Steeplerot
Respect has to be earned, with the ways xtrian have used his name their god gets 0% respect from me.
Blind worship of a seemingly invisible fairytale responsible for all this death and hate? fat chance.
I have my own mind and heart to follow -a moldy old book to manipulate the masses into submission is not my style.
Hopefully the ignorance of the past will be shed and the human race can move on from our idealogical cradles soon.
It's only a matter of time, their god is dying more and more daily and the human races chains of superstition are being lifted as our own imposed blindfolds fall away from peoples eyes with technology and science.
I don't even argue with them anymore I just nod and smile politely, those people's minds are closed. That is the point of the christian faith.

How do you know its blind ?

 

[Steeplerot]

ask a blind man to describe the color orange for you sometime. It's like trying to talk reality to a hardcore xtrian.

 

[Ozoned]

Originally posted by: Steeplerot
ask a blind man to describe the color orange for you sometime. It's like trying to talk reality to a hardcore xtrian.

I know people that claim to have spoken to and to have seen God. Wouldn't it be a leap of faith for me to assume that they are either crazy or liars?

 

[Steeplerot]

I know people claim this, any proof? Or just more blind "faith"?
When the human mind gets wrapped up in illogical belief or something hard to deal with it can create just about anything to keep the person feeling "safe"
It takes quite a strong self-assuredness to not have to use a "safe" idealogical crutch to feel sure of themselves. Belief in the higher "god" is a cop-out unfortunatly our society teaches our impressionable children right along with lying to them about a xtrian santa claus.
A lot of people are too scared and not capable of critical independent thinking enough for themselves thus they hang their self-responsibility and difficult events in life on a invisible deity.
Either that or a unfortunate circumstance of their upbringing. Most of these types nowdays thankfully have a chance to wake up and cast asided their familys idealogical baggage without all that messy burning at the stake. Thankfully xtrians can't pull this off anymore but I am sure some here secretly wish you still could.

(I am not trying to come off as totally arrogant to someone else's beliefs but obviously the majority of xtrians can't keep some of their more backwards beliefs to themselves. That is my only personal problem with it. To each his own -but that is not the truth of modern christianity.)

 

[Ozoned]

What would it take for you to believe? What is your price?