P4 4 EE 3.4GHz 800MHz 2MB S478 CPU

[apoppin]

just the engineering samples, afaik

there are no options in my MB to unlock any multiplyer ... not sure it would make much difference in getting my OC higher without overvolting it, anyway

i am pretty happy with 3.71Ghz at stock vcore

and i wonder how are evolucion8 and Aeros doing with their EEs?

 

[evolucion8]

Hi, I'm right now on my job'ws computer, since I'm staying here since Friday, I've been unable to do any testing on my Computer, this monday I will do it and will give you results, I hope to reach 3.8GHz!!

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: evolucion8
Hi, I'm right now on my job'ws computer, since I'm staying here since Friday, I've been unable to do any testing on my Computer, this monday I will do it and will give you results, I hope to reach 3.8GHz!!

good luck

and

let us know ... please

what OC does your 3.4c reach?

 

[Keysplayr]

I have a 570j ES. Unlocked Multi, in that this CPU, when idle, lowers it's multiplier to allow it to run at 2800MHz. This is instantaneous. And allows for lower power consumption when idle and a lot cooler. I idle at around 38C and under load is around 56-58C with a Zalman CNPS7000 at 1770rpm.

Very fast CPU. Only 1MB of L2 and a 800fsb, but it's quick all the same.

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003
I have a 570j ES. Unlocked Multi, in that this CPU, when idle, lowers it's multiplier to allow it to run at 2800MHz. This is instantaneous. And allows for lower power consumption when idle and a lot cooler. I idle at around 38C and under load is around 56-58C with a Zalman CNPS7000 at 1770rpm.

Very fast CPU. Only 1MB of L2 and a 800fsb, but it's quick all the same.

i was curious about yours ... guessing it would be Prescott with 1MB L2... and that is pretty cool ... mine runs at low50s until it is under extreme load ... then mid-60s ... of course i use a stock Prescott cooler.

what is your 3DMark05 score - especially the CPU score?

 

[evolucion8]

My 3.4 Northwood reached 3.73GHz max, after that It became unstable, probably the memory is the limiting factor here, they're OCZ Gold PC3200 Ultra Low Latency, 2-2-2-5, probably better overclocking can be get using higher speed RAMs like PC3500 or PC4000 which I will try to get after april.

 

[evolucion8]

I just came to my house to change of clothes and go to a party hehe, but I spent enough time to run 3DMark05 at default settings and the score was 6,192 and the CPU score was 4748. Which is your CPU score appopin and Aeros? Later or tomorrow I'll do the overclocking and will bring the results.

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003
I have a 570j ES. Unlocked Multi, in that this CPU, when idle, lowers it's multiplier to allow it to run at 2800MHz. This is instantaneous. And allows for lower power consumption when idle and a lot cooler. I idle at around 38C and under load is around 56-58C with a Zalman CNPS7000 at 1770rpm.

Very fast CPU. Only 1MB of L2 and a 800fsb, but it's quick all the same.

i was curious about yours ... guessing it would be Prescott with 1MB L2... and that is pretty cool ... mine runs at low50s until it is under extreme load ... then mid-60s ... of course i use a stock Prescott cooler.

what is your 3DMark05 score - especially the CPU score?

I don't think I ever ran 3DMark05 with this rig. But I can. I'll post some marks for you in a while.

EDIT:

Ok ran 3DMark05 Free version. All default settings. Rig is all stock. P4 3.8GHz. 7900GT 450/1320.

6360 3DMarks
4298 CPU Marks

So, if you got 6550 with your 7800GS OC, then I am obviously doing something wrong. What could that be?

 

[myocardia]

Originally posted by: evolucion8
My 3.4 Northwood reached 3.73GHz max, after that It became unstable, probably the memory is the limiting factor here, they're OCZ Gold PC3200 Ultra Low Latency, 2-2-2-5, probably better overclocking can be get using higher speed RAMs like PC3500 or PC4000 which I will try to get after april.

Your RAM has BH-5 IC's, which will do 250 Mhz @ 2-2-2-5 to 2-2-2-7 timings, with 3.2v of vdimm and a fan blowing on them. It will also do ~240 Mhz @ 2.5-3-3-7 with 2.8v of vdimm.

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: myocardia

Originally posted by: evolucion8
My 3.4 Northwood reached 3.73GHz max, after that It became unstable, probably the memory is the limiting factor here, they're OCZ Gold PC3200 Ultra Low Latency, 2-2-2-5, probably better overclocking can be get using higher speed RAMs like PC3500 or PC4000 which I will try to get after april.

Your RAM has BH-5 IC's, which will do 250 Mhz @ 2-2-2-5 to 2-2-2-7 timings, with 3.2v of vdimm and a fan blowing on them. It will also do ~240 Mhz @ 2.5-3-3-7 with 2.8v of vdimm.

wow ... is that "safe"?
:Q

and he can also use the 5:4 divider ... which doesn't lose 'that much' performance ... but it will allow you to find your max core o/c.

anyway ... i was asked about my 3DMark05 scores for my 3.4EE at 3.71Ghz/x1950p-512M/1GB PC3500

9280 @ 3.7Ghz

1) 40.2
2) 25.9
3) 49.1

4380 CPU *compare* 4748 - ev8's 3.4c@ 3.73 and Key's 3.8ES 4298

1) 2.1
2) 4.0

3DMarkXX is particularly useful tracking the changes in a system and secpndly, comparing very similar systems

how was the party, evolucion8?

i used to do that ...

... race home from working all week, run 3DMark05 and THEN race off to party
[well, i did that when i was younger ... up to a couple of years ago]


back to topic ... your 3.4c@3.73 scores higher than my 3.4EE@3.71 in the CPU score [4380 vs. 4748 and vs Keysplayer's 4298], but you are clearly held back in your overall system's performance by your x800xt ... with a x1950p you should score higher [i guess, well over 9k]

and keysplayr2003, a "suggestion" ... perhaps if you O/C your CPU, you might get a higher score with your eVGA 7900GT ... if it is held back in any way. At any rate, you would definitely benefit from a faster GPU [imo]

edited over-and-over

done

 

[myocardia]

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: myocardia

Originally posted by: evolucion8
My 3.4 Northwood reached 3.73GHz max, after that It became unstable, probably the memory is the limiting factor here, they're OCZ Gold PC3200 Ultra Low Latency, 2-2-2-5, probably better overclocking can be get using higher speed RAMs like PC3500 or PC4000 which I will try to get after april.

Your RAM has BH-5 IC's, which will do 250 Mhz @ 2-2-2-5 to 2-2-2-7 timings, with 3.2v of vdimm and a fan blowing on them. It will also do ~240 Mhz @ 2.5-3-3-7 with 2.8v of vdimm.

wow ... is that "safe"?
:Q

and he can also use the 5:4 divider ... which doesn't lose 'that much' performance ... but it will allow you to find your max core o/c.

Well, it depends on what you consider safe, I guess. I've seen people running their BH-5 at over 300 Mhz, with 2-2-2-5 timings, but that's the 256 MB sticks, and well over 3.2v of vdimm. Oh, and also not for 24-7 use. If I had his RAM, though, I'd definitely find out how fast it would run with 2.8v, and 2.5-3-3-x timings, though. With the multiplier on a 3.4 Ghz P4, it should easily max out his cpu, and stay 1:1. And nothing beats overclocking, and being able to keep the RAM @ 1:1, IMO.

 

[apoppin]

i prefer 1:1 ... whenever possible ... but i *hate* cooking my components

even my slightly mismatched 4x256MB PC3500 has no problem at 220[+]FSB ... and with my 3.4EE's multiplier at 17, it would be no problem to run at 3.8Ghz over 3.71 at stock .. IF i *cared* to up the vcore - the performance gains are so minimal compared to increased electromigration deterioration plus the need for a better and more expensive cooler

i guess i am not a *real* o/c'er

after all ... i am STILL getting a +300Mhz O/C ... same with my 3.4EE as i got with my 300Mhz Celeron > 450mhz ... so many years ago
--this time the "extra" performance is faster than my 'whole' CPU was ... back then



anyway my *point* was that you can use the 5:4 divider to find your max CPU oc and THEN destroy your RAM getting it to 1:1 for the benchmarks and screenshot
:laugh:

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: apoppin


back to topic ... your 3.4c@3.73 scores higher than my 3.4EE@3.71 in the CPU score [4380 vs. 4748 and vs Keysplayer's 4298], but you are clearly held back in your overall system's performance by your x800xt ... with a x1950p you should score higher [i guess, well over 9k]

and keysplayr2003, a "suggestion" ... perhaps if you O/C your CPU, you might get a higher score with your eVGA 7900GT ... if it is held back in any way. At any rate, you would definitely benefit from a faster GPU [imo]

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done

The thing is, as it sits at stock speeds, my GPU score should have been much higher than your 7800GS at 6550.
When you had your 2.8 @ 3.25 you got 6550 on a slightly o/c'd 7800GS. So, I can't really figure why my score is lower than yours was, even with your older CPU.
I don't get it. I should not have to overclock in the least bit to have gotten a better score than you did with your old setup.

I'll look into it some more.

 

[apoppin]

what drivers are you using for your 7800GS ... the latest don't OC or score as well in benchmarks

or your MB drivers may not be up-to-date

look into it please . ...

i dunno either ... you have 3.8 Ghz!


edit: they are all pretty close ... now ...*compare* 3DMark05 CPU scores:

3.4EE @ 3.74Ghz - 4609 - apoppin {*final ... 9546 total 3DMark05}

3.4EE @ 3.40Ghz - 4748 - ev8's {*corrected*}

3.8ES @ 3.80Ghz - 5405 - Key's {*corrected*}

only my OC'd 2.80 seemed 'high'

2nd EDIT; I think i know "why" ... my GS was O/C'd ... 3DMark weighs the GPU more heavily and the 7800GS OC really *shines* when it is o/c'd further ... the *only* thing that held me back was the GPU's 100% fan on - all the time ... damn annoying

try O/C'ing your parts ... just for "research purposes"

 

[evolucion8]

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: myocardia

Originally posted by: evolucion8
My 3.4 Northwood reached 3.73GHz max, after that It became unstable, probably the memory is the limiting factor here, they're OCZ Gold PC3200 Ultra Low Latency, 2-2-2-5, probably better overclocking can be get using higher speed RAMs like PC3500 or PC4000 which I will try to get after april.

Your RAM has BH-5 IC's, which will do 250 Mhz @ 2-2-2-5 to 2-2-2-7 timings, with 3.2v of vdimm and a fan blowing on them. It will also do ~240 Mhz @ 2.5-3-3-7 with 2.8v of vdimm.

wow ... is that "safe"?
:Q

and he can also use the 5:4 divider ... which doesn't lose 'that much' performance ... but it will allow you to find your max core o/c.

anyway ... i was asked about my 3DMark05 scores for my 3.4EE at 3.71Ghz/x1950p-512M/1GB PC3500

9280 @ 3.7Ghz

1) 40.2
2) 25.9
3) 49.1

4380 CPU *compare* 4748 - ev8's 3.4c@ 3.73 and Key's 3.8ES 4298

1) 2.1
2) 4.0

3DMarkXX is particularly useful tracking the changes in a system and secpndly, comparing very similar systems

how was the party, evolucion8?

i used to do that ...

... race home from working all week, run 3DMark05 and THEN race off to party
[well, i did that when i was younger ... up to a couple of years ago]


back to topic ... your 3.4c@3.73 scores higher than my 3.4EE@3.71 in the CPU score [4380 vs. 4748 and vs Keysplayer's 4298], but you are clearly held back in your overall system's performance by your x800xt ... with a x1950p you should score higher [i guess, well over 9k]

and keysplayr2003, a "suggestion" ... perhaps if you O/C your CPU, you might get a higher score with your eVGA 7900GT ... if it is held back in any way. At any rate, you would definitely benefit from a faster GPU [imo]

edited over-and-over

done

That 3DMark05 CPU score of 4748 was done with my P4 EE 3.4GHz at stock, I haven't overclocked it yet, the Northwood is already on my friend's computer. I'm still in the party, I'm just in my friend's computer, I will try to overclock later once I get back home.

 

[evolucion8]

Originally posted by: apoppin
what drivers are you using for your 7800GS ... the latest don't OC or score as well in benchmarks

or your MB drivers may not be up-to-date

look into it please . ...

i dunno either ... you have 3.8 Ghz!


edit: they are all pretty close ... now ...*compare* 3DMark05 CPU scores:

3.4EE @ 3.71Ghz - 4380 - apoppin

3.40c @ 3.73Ghz - 4748 - ev8's

3.8ES @ 3.80Ghz - 4298 - Key's

only my OC'd 2.80 seemed 'high'

2nd EDIT; I think i know "why" ... my GS was O/C'd ... 3DMark weighs the GPU more heavily and the 7800GS OC really *shines* when it is o/c'd further ... the *only* thing that held me back was the GPU's 100% fan on - all the time ... damn annoying

try O/C'ing your parts ... just for "research purposes"

Unfortunately, the Prescott based P4 even at 3.8GHz performs slower on multimedia and games than a 3.0+ or above Northwood P4. It has something to do with it's long pipelines and chip functionality.

 

[crosshairs]

Ya know......I was perfectly happy with my 3.2 Northwood.....UNTIL, I read this thread......and now Im punching CC #'s into the geeks site

Damn you all...DAMN YOU TO HELL!!!!!!!

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: crosshairs
Ya know......I was perfectly happy with my 3.2 Northwood.....UNTIL, I read this thread......and now Im punching CC #'s into the geeks site

Damn you all...DAMN YOU TO HELL!!!!!!!

*first of ALL* i didn't do this to you [period]


here's the 'cliffs' of MY story [and i'll leave OUT the LONG part about the interim 7800GS OC and the f'dup $15 Sapphire RMA fee scam]:

1) bought a Sapphire x1950p/512M ... failed on day31 and i had to RMA it - figured my 480w TT was inadequate
2) bought a 850w OCZ PS [for next years' upgrade also]
3) realized my CPU was inedequate ... bought a P4 3.4EE
4) realized my cooler was inadequate ... bought a Prescott cooler
5) now my 19" flat CRT seemed ... well, "boring" ... so i got a 19" WS 14x9
[to be fair it is "coincidently" failing]

you might have a ways to go to catch up in my expense dept.

:laugh:

and this is a minor upgrade

===========================

Originally posted by: evolucion8

That 3DMark05 CPU score of 4748 was done with my P4 EE 3.4GHz at stock, I haven't overclocked it yet, the Northwood is already on my friend's computer. I'm still in the party, I'm just in my friend's computer, I will try to overclock later once I get back home.

oops ... i'll correct the figures ... or better ... repost it in the first post when you have your EE OC'ing results.

from what i see there is "variation" in the 3 systems ... your EE is faster in the 3DMark05 CPU score at stock than mine is overclocked

edit: i see you are playing with PAT ... the timings could account for some of it

i haven't tried to do that at all ... since my 2.80c's OC and RAM combo required it way less than 'agressive' for stability ...

i'll tweak it a bit ... later ... way later

[right now i have to change my car's brake pads and rotors]
:beer:

 

[Keysplayr]

Ok guys, I found my problem. The CPU would alternate back and forth from 2.8GHz to 3.8GHz as needed. So I went into the bios and disabled the unlocked multiplier.

New scores with stock system.
3dMark 7510
CPU Mark 5405

A little o/cing on the 7900GT and I should be right up there with your 3dMark score poppin.

 

[apoppin]

i need a bigger philips head to remove my rotor ... gotta go back to the store to get it ... good thing i didn't take everything apart... hope the parts store is still open ... sundays ... or i just change the pads
-and the rotors ... and the pads all over again --next weekend
[next time it will be quick ... i'll install 'snaps'] :Q

So, now my CPU is the slowest of the bunch




i'll work on my 'timing'
:clock:

and 'we'll see'
:evil:



edit: open late
... i can work by artificial light
:moon:

:laugh:

 

[Wags1974]

When you get the right size screwdriver you may need to do a "faux pas" and hit it squarely with a hammer too help loosen up the screw holding the rotor to the hub. If you do have any trouble getting them off remember that and put a superthin coat of high temperature caliper grease between the rotor and hub so you never have the problem again. (Clean it up first of course scotch pad usually works fine for me)

 

[Keysplayr]

I o/c'd my 7900GT from 450/1320 to 606/1568. 3DMark score went up to 8108, but the funny thing is, my CPU score went up as well. 6025 for CPU Mark. Still at 3.8GHz. did not o/c the cpu.

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: Wags1974
When you get the right size screwdriver you may need to do a "faux pas" and hit it squarely with a hammer too help loosen up the screw holding the rotor to the hub. If you do have any trouble getting them off remember that and put a superthin coat of high temperature caliper grease between the rotor and hub so you never have the problem again. (Clean it up first of course scotch pad usually works fine for me)

much worse i just needed a socket and a philips head driver

but there are damaged hold-springs [that keep the pads off the rotor] and i have to mickey-mouse one out of wire till i get a set tomorrow ... it isn't dangerous ... just time consuming

... thanks for the OT assist

i much prefer working on computers

my hands stay clean ... and no asbestos dust

ANYWAY .. in between .. i worked on my o/c

i got 3.75 Ghz ... 222FSB x 17 at 1:1 divider with a vcore to 1.65 [reads 1.60 in HW doc] ... since my RAM is mismatched and i believe i only got them to 223 before ... i went to 2.6v ... cannot adjust ANY timings ... was a problem with ic7 before and stability.

so ... final 3DMark05 score ... ... with my x1950p at stock

9546 ... eat your :heart: out Keys

--but my CPU score is only 4609

i *know* i can probably get closer to 10K if i OC my x1950p ... that old 7900GT is gonna need a hell of an OC to get 10K

the *worst* temp was 65*C dropping out of FEAR to check it ... not that bad under extreme load

---and in a HOT as hell room [82*F]

 

[Aeros]

Get my EE on Wed...waiting sucks.

I'll OC the hell outta' this guy. If Appopin your getting 3.7 on air with a 1:1 ratio with mismatched ram (3500 thouhg).

I should be able to manage 4 with a nice lapping, my Zalman 9500 and "Wisconsins cold- ass winter air duct" rig I have. I've done 4.2 unstable on my p4 3.0 with 3:4 dividers same setup.

I'll post my OC and benches asap.

Can't thank you enough Appopin for posting this thread.

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: Aeros
Get my EE on Wed...waiting sucks.

I'll OC the hell outta' this guy. If Appopin your getting 3.7 on air with a 1:1 ratio with mismatched ram (3500 thouhg).

I should be able to manage 4 with a nice lapping, my Zalman 9500 and "Wisconsins cold- ass winter air duct" rig I have. I've done 4.2 unstable on my p4 3.0 with 3:4 dividers same setup.

I'll post my OC and benches asap.

Can't thank you enough Appopin for posting this thread.

your welcome!

and good luck in your OC! ... please let us know ... my last OC was 3.74Ghz 1:1 ... the *limit* with an ordinary cooler and mismatched RAM [2.5:3:3:6/7] with a minor voltage boost.

i *know* you guys have an O/C'ing advantage in the colder climes ... just open a window and you can get 200+ more Mhz

i am extraordinarily satisfied with my upgrade ... i just run her at 3.65Ghz for day-to-day at stock vcore and don't think about it any more
[FEAR's X-pack runs*awesome* even with 2xAA/4xAF ... no instability whatsoever]