P4 EE being referred to as the "Emergency Edition"

[pspada]

because it's the frantic response to the A64 FX-51:

Spencer Katt of Eweek

 

[joe2004]

Exactly. I am an Intel user, and I use AMD as well. My best systems are Intel based but I see the reality what it is. FX-51 rules right now and Intel's response is rather pathetic, selling a chip that is basically beefed up Xeon that usually goes very expensive.
I'd call it Extremely Expensive edition. Not worth anyway since the Hammer chip is 64 bit therefore the one for the future, which is coming fast, as usual.

 

[jiffylube1024]

Hahahaha! That's great! "Emergency Edition" - I like that!

 

[Accord99]

Just like the AFX was a frantic response to the P4c.

 

[Tab]

FX-51 Ruling? Maybe the EXTREMELY high end desktop market....

 

[Mardeth]

Originally posted by: Accord99
Just like the AFX was a frantic response to the P4c.

Not quite...

If thats your theory isnt every processor after the first an "frantic response"?

 

[DivideBYZero]

Originally posted by: Accord99
Just like the AFX was a frantic response to the P4c.

LOL at you.

 

[txxxx]

Originally posted by: DivideBYZero

Originally posted by: Accord99
Just like the AFX was a frantic response to the P4c.

LOL at you.

 

[Ticktanium2038]

Doesnt the processor have to exist on the market before its determined to be Emergency Edition.

Not a good looking year for Intel.

Prescott Delayed until the second half of next year.
Itanic not selling well at all. (Opteron outsold it in 3 months)
Yamhill is not comming out next year (Keep Dreaming) Also Microsoft may not support it.

I think AMD can enjoy an easy breazy 2004 with no competition. 5-6 Very good Quarters.

I expect Transmeta to be the ankle biter getting some market as well. Granted it will be small but I expect to see Transmeta chips in web appliances and places you wouldnt expect. With them going to 2 gig shortly its going to get real interesting in the low end market.

2005 I expect Intel to retaliate someway with lots of goodies. But it will be nice to see AMD make a profit which will keep them alive for some time to come.

 

[Boonesmi]

Originally posted by: DivideBYZero

Originally posted by: Accord99
Just like the AFX was a frantic response to the P4c.

LOL at you.

 

[Jeff7181]

Originally posted by: Tabb
FX-51 Ruling? Maybe the EXTREMELY high end desktop market....

You can call the market whatever you want... bottom line is the FX-51 performs better in most areas.

 

[Accord99]

Originally posted by: Mardeth

Originally posted by: Accord99
Just like the AFX was a frantic response to the P4c.

Not quite...

If thats your theory isnt every processor after the first an "frantic response"?

-Short lifespan before being replaced by a new Socket design
-High costs and non-mainstream memory requirements
-Supply in the few tens of thousands
-Only announced a few months ago
-Remarked server CPU

 

[alexruiz]

Originally posted by: Accord99

Originally posted by: Mardeth

Originally posted by: Accord99
Just like the AFX was a frantic response to the P4c.

Not quite...

If thats your theory isnt every processor after the first an "frantic response"?

-Short lifespan before being replaced by a new Socket design
-High costs and non-mainstream memory requirements
-Supply in the few tens of thousands
-Only announced a few months ago
-Remarked server CPU

Well, not much different from the socket 423 willamette.... However, being short lived in a part intended for high end is not as bad as with a part designed to be the succesor of the current CPU.

 

[Canterwood]

Originally posted by: Accord99
Just like the AFX was a frantic response to the P4c.

Actually, I'd say that the P4C was a frantic response to the AthlonXP's dominance over the P4 A+B's

 

[Kell]

Originally posted by: Accord99

Originally posted by: Mardeth

Originally posted by: Accord99
Just like the AFX was a frantic response to the P4c.

Not quite...

If thats your theory isnt every processor after the first an "frantic response"?

-Short lifespan before being replaced by a new Socket design
-High costs and non-mainstream memory requirements
-Supply in the few tens of thousands
-Only announced a few months ago
-Remarked server CPU

Why would the AthlonFX be the frantic response? Athlon64 3200+ takes the P4Cs just fine, has a long socket lifetime, runs on inexpensive mainstream memory, was pre-announced for ages, and is apparently in good supply.

I'd categorize Athlon64 as a measured response, and AthlonFX as a preemptive response in case Intel was able to pull a rabbit out of a hat.* Intel's rabbit kind of got stuck halfway out, though, so AthlonFX is kind of alone on the top of a mountain right now.

*(Or maybe AMD just heard all the geeks lusting hard for Opteron-like features in a uniprocessor workstation package. Hmph...naaah...)

 

[jiffylube1024]

Originally posted by: Accord99

Originally posted by: Mardeth

Originally posted by: Accord99
Just like the AFX was a frantic response to the P4c.

Not quite...

If thats your theory isnt every processor after the first an "frantic response"?

-Short lifespan before being replaced by a new Socket design
-High costs and non-mainstream memory requirements
-Supply in the few tens of thousands
-Only announced a few months ago
-Remarked server CPU

Your analogy puts the AFX in comparaison to the Socket 423 P4, not the P4 2.4C.

 

[Accord99]

Originally posted by: jiffylube1024
Your analogy puts the AFX in comparaison to the Socket 423 P4, not the P4 2.4C.

I don't recall using an analogy at all. I was presenting evidence for the AFX being hastily developed in order to counter the unexpected 800MHz Pentium 4. Most of which are similar to the evidence used to argue that the P4EE is a frantic response to the AFX.

 

[Kell]

Originally posted by: Accord99

Originally posted by: jiffylube1024
Your analogy puts the AFX in comparaison to the Socket 423 P4, not the P4 2.4C.

I don't recall using an analogy at all. I was presenting evidence for the AFX being hastily developed in order to counter the unexpected 800MHz Pentium 4. Most of which are similar to the evidence used to argue that the P4EE is a frantic response to the AFX.

Except that the P4C wasn't all that unexpected. It was in the works for months and had been out for months more, and its performance was quite well known. And since the Athlon64 fares quite well against it, I don't see why AMD would feel the need to frantically pull out the AthlonFX in response. (In fact, the more I think about it, the more I think the AFX was a response to a possibly-impending Prescott launch. So much for that, the Prescott seems to be tipping over on the launch pad.

)

OTOH, we didn't really know all that much about how the Athlon64/AthlonFX would perform until it came out. Our only indicator was the Opteron, which wasn't an absolute showstopper for desktop apps. Then a few more up-to-date "preview" bits came out--especially AMD64's killer gaming benchmarks--and caught a lot of people by surprise. :Q

Next thing we know, everyone's seeing a P4EE ES being shown off at IDF with marks-a-lot residue on it, and it's due to paper launch on the same day as the Athlon64. Paper launch, indeed! We haven't seen so much paper launched since the AthlonXP 2800+...

Add to that, no one--and I mean NO ONE, not even TheInq--knew about the part until then. Seems to me like Intel caught wind of the Athlon64 gaming benchmarks at about the same time as everyone else, and it had them sweating bullets.

 

[Accord99]

Originally posted by: Kell

Except that the P4C wasn't all that unexpected. It was in the works for months and had been out for months more, and its performance was quite well known. And since the Athlon64 fares quite well against it, I don't see why AMD would feel the need to frantically pull out the AthlonFX in response. (In fact, the more I think about it, the more I think the AFX was a response to a possibly-impending Prescott launch. So much for that, the Prescott seems to be tipping over on the launch pad.

)

It was quite unexpected, since it was assumed that the P4 would go to a 667MHz FSB only. And when it came out, it became obvious to AMD that their A64 would be competitive only, not dominating, which they could not afford given the large die size disparity between the two processors. So they hastily created the AFX, to win the all-important benchmarketing battle on launch day. If AMD was not frantic, why not wait 1-1.5 quarters to release the Socket 939 FX platform only. Or perhaps modify Socket 775 to implement dual-channel support. As it stands for 2004, AMD will have 4 sockets to support, 940 (split between Opteron and AFX), 939, 775 and a slowly deprecated 462. Not exactly what I call excellent strategic planning.

 

[WarCon]

Personally I think Accord is probably close to being right.
The big question is, why do you really care?

Competition is good. Cache is good. 64 bit processing is good. High prices suck.
Did I miss anything? (Does it really matter if you drink Coke or Pepsi? To each his own.)

 

[User1001]

sigh, does anyone remeber when slapping a small low rpm on a cpu without goo or an hsf was reguarded as high end cooling?

 

YAWN.........

 

[Yourself]

Originally posted by: Ticktanium2038
Doesnt the processor have to exist on the market before its determined to be Emergency Edition.

Not a good looking year for Intel.

Prescott Delayed until the second half of next year.
Itanic not selling well at all. (Opteron outsold it in 3 months)
Yamhill is not comming out next year (Keep Dreaming) Also Microsoft may not support it.

I think AMD can enjoy an easy breazy 2004 with no competition. 5-6 Very good Quarters.

Lol, 5 or 6 very good quarters....wake me when they have 1 or 2 average/good quarters in a row. That would be a good starting point....and I think the 64/FX will help, but it's way too early to start predicting a year and half of prosperity.

Self

 

[Ticktanium2038]

I will see you in quarter when AMD posts a profit.

Maybe then those magic P4EE's will be out. Do Intel chips come with Magic beans too?

Pre-schot and Itanic. Nice lineup. Wouldnt want to be holding Intel stock right now.

 

[Yourself]

Originally posted by: Ticktanium2038
I will see you in quarter when AMD posts a profit.

Maybe then those magic P4EE's will be out. Do Intel chips come with Magic beans too?

Pre-schot and Itanic. Nice lineup. Wouldnt want to be holding Intel stock right now.

But will you see me in 6 quarters? I own AMD stock and it has been a bumpy ride(things looking better since July though). I have no doubt the next quarter will be a bit better, but to start spouting predictions a year a half in the future in one of the most turbulent sectors of our economy is silly.


Self