P4 EE being referred to as the "Emergency Edition"

[Ticktanium2038]

I have seen what Intel has to offer and its not impressive. Even if prescott arrives the second half of next year at decent speeds its still not enough to overpower Opteron.

Intel has been putting pressure on places for SSE3 which will skew benchmark results becasue nothing has SSE3 in it and that its smoke and mirrors as far as real performance. Would not be surprised to see Prescott scrapped for a P4 with some optimizations. The prescott is not doing well at all. Those are not my words but a friends.

Intel needs to establish themselves with a 64 bit market presence before AMD and they wont have anything until 2005. Not good for those looking to make the move to 64.

I dont want to make any early predictions on Yamhill becasue this will get ugly. But as I hear Yamhill is some sort of Prescott 64. So if Prescott doesnt work then Yamhill wont as well. But that is significantly to early to tell and details are impossible to get on this right now.

 

[Jeff7181]

I have seen what Intel has to offer and its not impressive.

You have a P4EE? Well what are you waiting for? Post some real world benchmarks for us.

 

[Ticktanium2038]

I dont have it but a friend does in Korea of all places. He did testing of Prescott and was not impressed. In fact it died during the testing and replacement still has not arrived. I used to work with him when he was an engineer for lucent. Lets end this before things get ugly. But your good for 2-3 quarters like you suspect. I believe that it will go until 2005. Intel may turn prescott around but he doesnt see it as any time soon.

 

[User1001]

Originally posted by: Ticktanium2038
I will see you in quarter when AMD posts a profit.

Maybe then those magic P4EE's will be out. Do Intel chips come with Magic beans too?

Pre-schot and Itanic. Nice lineup. Wouldnt want to be holding Intel stock right now.

Actually, it has gone up in the last few months.

 

[User1001]

Originally posted by: Ticktanium2038
I dont have it but a friend does in Korea of all places. He did testing of Prescott and was not impressed. In fact it died during the testing and replacement still has not arrived. I used to work with him when he was an engineer for lucent. Lets end this before things get ugly. But your good for 2-3 quarters like you suspect. I believe that it will go until 2005. Intel may turn prescott around but he doesnt see it as any time soon.

Does he have a retail or Engineering sample? Just curious.

 

[jiffylube1024]

Originally posted by: Accord99

Originally posted by: Kell

Except that the P4C wasn't all that unexpected. It was in the works for months and had been out for months more, and its performance was quite well known. And since the Athlon64 fares quite well against it, I don't see why AMD would feel the need to frantically pull out the AthlonFX in response. (In fact, the more I think about it, the more I think the AFX was a response to a possibly-impending Prescott launch. So much for that, the Prescott seems to be tipping over on the launch pad.

)

It was quite unexpected, since it was assumed that the P4 would go to a 667MHz FSB only. And when it came out, it became obvious to AMD that their A64 would be competitive only, not dominating, which they could not afford given the large die size disparity between the two processors. So they hastily created the AFX, to win the all-important benchmarketing battle on launch day. If AMD was not frantic, why not wait 1-1.5 quarters to release the Socket 939 FX platform only. Or perhaps modify Socket 775 to implement dual-channel support. As it stands for 2004, AMD will have 4 sockets to support, 940 (split between Opteron and AFX), 939, 775 and a slowly deprecated 462. Not exactly what I call excellent strategic planning.

Well the P4-C was also a knee-jerk reaction by intel. Prescott was supposed to be out by now, and that was one of it's selling features (the 800MHz FSB) but since it's been delayed Intel had to ramp up the entire P4 line to 800MHz FSB to keep competitive.

 

[josedawg]

Originally posted by: Ticktanium2038
Wouldnt want to be holding Intel stock right now.

I would Intel not only has a steady hold on the CPU market as well as other markets with its 20+ years in business + nice 3 tone ring.
BTW, I'm an AMD fan all the way, but I won't rule out that Intel is not that far behind at the high end, and owning any Intel stock will always be a good thing. People buy from reliable, steady sources. Only the enthusiasts are in a frenzy about the paper launch of the Xeo....P4 EE. Joe Consumer could care less, and just want their P4 2.0ghz to run Word and Internet Explorer.

 

[Jeff7181]

My brother's wife's best friend's uncle's sister-in-law's dentist's nephew had an engineering sample of the Prescott... I forgot to ask him what his impressions of it were

 

[Ticktanium2038]

LOL. If/when he ever gets a replacement I will ask for some pics.

Maybe watch spaceballs tonight.

 

[chsh1ca]

Originally posted by: Jeff7181
My brother's wife's best friend's uncle's sister-in-law's dentist's nephew had an engineering sample of the Prescott... I forgot to ask him what his impressions of it were

That reminds me too. I know a guy who knows a guy who once spoke to a guy who may have talked to someone at Intel support who happened to know an engineer, who just so happens to have a Prescott sample.

LMAO. Convenient that the processor had to be returned to Intel.

/me waits patiently for the monkeys to start flying...

 

[Acanthus]

i think its funny that after 6 or 7 core revisions now no AMD chip has thermal throttling. Failed fan = $700 of pain.

 

[DivideBYZero]

Originally posted by: Acanthus
i think its funny that after 6 or 7 core revisions now no AMD chip has thermal throttling. Failed fan = $700 of pain.

Not correct. See BIOS and Kernel Developer's Guide for AMD AthlonTM 64 and AMD OpteronTM Processors for detail on throttling.

See this page, too.

 

[jiffylube1024]

Originally posted by: Acanthus
i think its funny that after 6 or 7 core revisions now no AMD chip has thermal throttling. Failed fan = $700 of pain.

Wrong. I have a 1700+ Tbred B that the fan died on; my sister called me one day and said "the computer just turned off for no reason when I was on it". Turns out the fan was dead and when I opened up the case a couple days later after they were using it that morning I noticed the CPU fan was off and the HSF was hot as hell! It does basically what the P3 does - it freezes. Except the Athlon also cuts the power and turns the whole machine off (or perhaps it's the motherboard).

Either way, AMD does have thermal protection.

 

[zephyrprime]

Wrong. I have a 1700+ Tbred B that the fan died on; my sister called me one day and said "the computer just turned off for no reason when I was on it". Turns out the fan was dead and when I opened up the case a couple days later after they were using it that morning I noticed the CPU fan was off and the HSF was hot as hell! It does basically what the P3 does - it freezes. Except the Athlon also cuts the power and turns the whole machine off (or perhaps it's the motherboard).

Either way, AMD does have thermal protection.

but is that thermal protection on the chip or is it part of the MB?

 

[WarCon]

Motherboard

 

[aka1nas]

Well no, it's actually a bit off both now. originally it was limited to an onboard thermistor, which wasn't fast enough to accurate enough in measuring temps to shutdown the chip before it fried. Newer athlons have a thermal diode on-die that , when used with a supporting motherboard, can shutdown the system without damage.

 

[LawrenceHeffernan]

It is likely that the Prescott 3.2GHz will be slower than the Extreme Edition 3.2GHz. The extreme edition is an expensive bitch though, at $1000...

http://www.tomshardware.com/site/videos/index.html See Video 10, FX51's and Athlon 64's have thermal protection

 

[Soulkeeper]

are they going to be making any of these in the 100 to 200 dollar price range ??

 

[LawrenceHeffernan]

Probably when they move to 0.09Micron

 

[stevennoland]

If you don't like what Intel has to offer, just be glad you have an alternative. So what if AMD and it's FX-51 is king of the hill right now. The 51 is also wickedly expensive, has limited mobo choices (right now anyway), and requires registered DIMM's. The price drops of Intel's stuff makes them a really good choice right now. You can get a P4 2.8C for $215 @ Newegg. I have been watching this chip since 17 Jun 03 (it was $272 then). The 3.0 is now around that price! The 64 bit argument is mute at this piont in time. As with all things computer, price drops are inevitable. Some day (if Intel actually produces enough of the EE's), you'll be able to get them cheap. But then something faster will be avaliable. The EE is geared towards those with $$$. If the price is right, I'll get one. Call me crazy, but poeple with money are just a little crazy anyway (not saying I have a boatload of jimmy). Later. AMD fans can now rip me a new one.

 

[pspada]

Originally posted by: stevennoland
If you don't like what Intel has to offer, just be glad you have an alternative. So what if AMD and it's FX-51 is king of the hill right now. The 51 is also wickedly expensive, has limited mobo choices (right now anyway), and requires registered DIMM's. The price drops of Intel's stuff makes them a really good choice right now. You can get a P4 2.8C for $215 @ Newegg. I have been watching this chip since 17 Jun 03 (it was $272 then). The 3.0 is now around that price! The 64 bit argument is mute at this piont in time. As with all things computer, price drops are inevitable. Some day (if Intel actually produces enough of the EE's), you'll be able to get them cheap. But then something faster will be avaliable. The EE is geared towards those with $$$. If the price is right, I'll get one. Call me crazy, but poeple with money are just a little crazy anyway (not saying I have a boatload of jimmy). Later. AMD fans can now rip me a new one.

Your points are moot, you should have stayed mute.