P4P800 Deluxe Vs. P4C800 Vs. IC7

[bjc112]

Just wondering on voltages and what not..

I know Abit tends to undervolt and im worrying i might need a little extra Vdimm on this Buffalo...

Looking for a nice overclock with a hopeful m0 stepping..

Opinions?

Any issues with a 9700/9600 Pro boards?



Thanks!

 

[jdogg707]

I like my IC7 system, very good motherboard when overclocking, or at any other time too.

 

[THUGSROOK]

IC7

 

[zShowtimez]

I liked my IC7.. Good board. I do however prefer my P4C800-E. Only downside to the P4C is the vcore starts to get a little jumpy past 250FSB. Other than that, awesome board.

 

[Duvie]

What about the AI7??? It is supposed to have all the overclocking features of the IC7 Max3 but just the i865chipset like the p4p800....

Check it out I think the price is more affordable then the asus mobos....

 

[bjc112]

Sounds good Thugs, looks like it has been good to you..

Duvie the AI7 looks good to but, do you think for the exrta $10 the IC7 would be better overall?

Thanks for the quick replies..

 

[Jojo1971]

ive had the 3, the IC7 is the best choice for price/performance..

 

[Duvie]

Originally posted by: bjc112
Sounds Thugs looks like it has been good to you..

Duvie the AI7 looks good to but, do you think for the exrta $10 the IC7 would be better overall?

Thanks for the quick replies..

It sure the heckis if it has the vdimm voltage controls up to 3.1v and the tighter voltaes across the board like the IC& Max3....

I will find the reviw on it but I think it has the same better cooling setup as the IC7 Max 3 as well....

10 bucks...OH YEAHHHHHHHH!!!!!

 

[Duvie]

I checked it out and while the cooling is no better then the IC7 the board does have the tighter voltages across the mobo and more importantly the VTT and VDDQ...It also has vdimm options up to 3.2v so that should be plenty to take and hold ram speeds and timings with 250+ fsbs.....

Also this boad according to eva2000 at bleedinedge.com siad the board can populate all 4 dimm slots and hold much longer and with better timings...I think he was comparing it to his past mobos of IC7 and ASUS boards...

 

[drewdogg808]

i just got the ai7 this week, and so far the voltages are awesome. very tight, almost no fluctuation. i haven't gotten a chance to push the vdimm yet....i'll have more time when i get back from going home for the holidays.

 

[bjc112]

Originally posted by: Duvie
I checked it out and while the cooling is no better then the IC7 the board does have the tighter voltages across the mobo and more importantly the VTT and VDDQ...It also has vdimm options up to 3.2v so that should be plenty to take and hold ram speeds and timings with 250+ fsbs.....

Also this boad according to eva2000 at bleedinedge.com siad the board can populate all 4 dimm slots and hold much longer and with better timings...I think he was comparing it to his past mobos of IC7 and ASUS boards...

Well the AI7 is ten cheaper than the IC7... I'm willing to the P4C800, but if the voltages are strong, I'm going for a AI7 / IC7

Keep me posted on the new system Drew

 

[Mikewarrior2]

my new AI7 arrived at the local distribution center this morning... hasn't left on a truck for delivery, so i just may need to force my way over there and pick it ... Provided I have the time, of course.


Mike

 

[bjc112]

Originally posted by: Mikewarrior2
my new AI7 arrived at the local distribution center this morning... hasn't left on a truck for delivery, so i just may need to force my way over there and pick it ... Provided I have the time, of course.


Mike

Let me know how it works out.. I'll be ordering in a day or so...

Up!!

 

[Mikewarrior2]

Well, i got it today ... need to "repair" windows to get my USB back, so i'll do that in a few...

First off, if you get an Ai7, I would strongly advise against an Zalman CNPS 7000 (alcu or all cu unit, doesn't really matter), because i am missing at least 33% of the core contact area that isn't sitting on the CPU. I will post a picture later when i get my camera back from my sister. Another good chunk of the IHS is sitting on the aluminum "block" area's of the zalman, and that isn't even really a part of the heatsink.

I suppose i could rip off my IHS, in which case i'm sure it would fit fine...but no, i'm not going to that extreme.. i'd rather get another heatsink...

As far as ram/voltages are concerned, they are MUCH tigher than the is7. I have my hyperX running a good 10mhz in raw fsb higher than the is7 so far, tahnks to 2.9V versus 2.8V on the is7. Will let you know more as soon as i pick up another heatsink.


Mike

 

[Tates]

First off, if you get an Ai7, I would strongly advise against an Zalman CNPS 7000 (alcu or all cu unit, doesn't really matter), because i am missing at least 33% of the core contact area that isn't sitting on the CPU.

Keep in mind the actual CPU core is dead center under the heat spreader. Just because the socket has been rotated so the entire heat plug isn't covered doesn't mean the Zalman is not effective. On my AI7, my Zalman CNPS7000 keeps my P4 2.6C @ 3300MHz a cool 27C at idle and tops out at 40C load. You need more proof? Just check out Arctic Silver 5 installation instructions for the P4. Arctic silver says not to cover the entire heat spreader, only a small amount is needed, about the size of an uncooked grain of short-grain white rice or 1/2 of a BB. The location of the actual CPU core is the source of the heat, and the Zalman cools this very well.

I highly recommend the Zalman CNPS7000 for the AI7.

 

[Mikewarrior2]

well, the reason i'm "not" recommending it is i've lost roughly 200mhz of o/c versus my is7...

So.. while it is the center of the core that matters... something is making me lose some o/c... and i dunno what it is yet...


Mike
P.S. My opinion on this is likely to change within hte next few days as i get some more time to play with the system

 

[SpeedFreak03]

I have a P4P800 Deluxe (and 2.6C, Kingston HyperX 1GB kit PC3200) and I love it! It is stable, fast, and I really couldn't be more happy with it. This weekend I will try my luck at overclocking the beast, and I will report back (but I am using the stock retail Intel HSF so that may limit me, but Im not buying a new HSF any time soon - no money!).

-Josh

 

[Duvie]

Originally posted by: Mikewarrior2
well, the reason i'm "not" recommending it is i've lost roughly 200mhz of o/c versus my is7...

So.. while it is the center of the core that matters... something is making me lose some o/c... and i dunno what it is yet...


Mike
P.S. My opinion on this is likely to change within hte next few days as i get some more time to play with the system

mike what fsb number are we talking about here??? 300fsb...You have that 2.4 that does 3.6ghz right?? check that northbridge cooling on that board....

 

[Intelman07]

I like my p4p800 deluexe. Nice features stable and fast!

 

[Mikewarrior2]

Hey Duvie,

Already checked it... and swapped it out for my IS7 nbridge heatsink just in case it was an AI7 heatsink problem (they were identical heatsinks). Used AS Ceramique on the nbridge heatsink, but i think i've found my problem.. i can do 285ish 5:4, but for some reason, not with 3:2..

Anyone have any ideas?



Mike

 

[bjc112]

285 doesn't sound all that bad... I can easily pull 3.2 - 3.3... ( This system is for my previous Boss back in PA )

AI7 it is ?

 

[Mikewarrior2]

well... after a few days of dealing with the Ai7 (two of them, in fact), i am less than satisfied.. .my IS7 did significanly better in o/c... the AI7 could only take my 2.4C M0 chip to 3.325ghz or so (prime stable for 6 hours, didn't wait to let it go longer), and the 2.8C m0 chip to 3.3ghz, whereas my is7 and p4c800 (picked one up when i returned the second ai7 to test it out) both got it to 3.6ghz or so...

So the AI7 is a nice board, and maybe it just has teething issues, but if you're looking for a high o/c... i'd personally say no to it.. if you're looking at a reasonable overclock, i see no reason not to recoommend it.


Mike

 

[Duvie]

Thanks for the review MIke...I think I will run with IC7 for my ocing rigs I am building for others....The voltage may be an issue but it only seems to be with the ddr and does not seem to limit me too much on my oc...I have 292fsb stable at 1.58v and have had stability in my testing of 295fsb at 1.63v....I think near 300fsb on any NB chipset is damn fine....

How is the asus p4p800 on vdimm options and compatability with geil sticks which may or may not have CH-5 chips on them....I was thinking maybe since I can't run 5:4 past 255fsb fully stable but can run 3:2 no problem with now 2,3,2,7 with Gat on Auto...I think with that mobo I can get my ram (Geil Ultra PC3500) which did 466fsb with my 2.6c chip at 233 and 1:1 with cas 2.5,3,3,8 but 2.8v...

 

[Mikewarrior2]

Duvie,

Not a problem... probably would have posted sooner if i didn't have so much "real" work this weekend .

I don't have any geil ram at the moment, so i don't know how well it works on the p4p800. The p4p800 seems to work well with my hyperx p3200 (nonA) stuff at the moment... ). After i play with this 2.8, i'll probably stick the 2.4 back in here.

The Vdimm goes up to 2.85, and i havne't installed the asus probe yet to see waht hte actual voltages are.. i guess i'll do that now...


Mike

 

[fdisk2003]

p4p800 deluxe, very happy w/it. not one single problem since the second i installed it.

had a msi neo 2 board previously, nothing but problems. rma'd it and a 2nd one came back and was messed up also. random crashes, overheating etc. ---> ,,|,, -_- ,,|,, MSI

bought my asus and haven't looked back

looking forward to overclocking it eventually.