The guy just heard so much when the P4S533 and the Northwood 1.6A was comming out that he said that was what he wanted but after seeing it run he said he couldn't see putting that much money in one right now and that he would just keep his old one a little longer so I could go ahead and sell it to someone else, He wanted all the bells Burner, DVD, GeForce 3, Santa Cruz, Custom case with side window, Well to tell the truth I don't care about benck mark numbers if the computer runs good but everyone else does so I use the 3DMark 2000, But you can tell this isn't a fast computer without the bench marks, I live out in the country in a small town that doesn't have anything but 56K so the 2001 would be to big of a download to mess with and yes I used the same video card for all the test, I have been building computers for people around here for about five years now and I would keep the computer before I would want someone that is not happy with what they got, I know you can get a not so great board so I hope they are all not like that and then again maybe it is if you want the big numbers go AMD if you want a good running stable computer go with one of the new P4's