PA 18 Special Election Updates

[MomentsofSanity]

I know it's a high bar to set, but when a child molester / attempted rapist IS NOT on the GOP ticket, then Alabama has some pretty safe seats.

Is just hanging with child predators a step in the right direction for a candidate?

http://www.tampabay.com/florida-pol...a-lago-with-disgraced-congressman-mark-foley/

 

[allisolm]

Republican Rick Saccone concedes 8 days after Pennsylvania special election'

'bout time


https://www.cnn.com/2018/03/21/politics/lamb-saccone-concession/index.html

 

[Bitek]

I don’t believe in deities and I am not imposing anything. I am just curious how someone reconciles being pro choice and also believing life begins at conception.

It's really not that difficult if you take the time to listen to mainstream pro choice Dems.

Lamb is pretty mainstream Dem if conservatives park the dumb stereotypes and caricatures of liberals.

I remember Hillary even had a good argument/explaination in one of the debates.

I'm personally against abortion. I think it's morally reprehensible if it's used due to lack of responsibility in avoiding pregnancy. An acorn is not a tree, but it is a life you took due to your choices. There are people that get abortions due to this and have to live with it.

But that's not the only reason. There are actually some really difficult situations, and life can be really messy. Developmental defects, rape, incest, the physical toll on the mother, even broken relationships.

What we don't need is govt in the middle of this clumsily trying to dictate morality. I can choose for myself, and you can choose for you. How you decide is between you, your doctor, your conscience and your soul.

Keep govt and enforced religiously out of it.

 

[Starbuck1975]

I'm personally against abortion. I think it's morally reprehensible if it's used due to lack of responsibility in avoiding pregnancy. An acorn is not a tree, but it is a life you took due to your choices. There are people that get abortions due to this and have to live with it.

But that's not the only reason. There are actually some really difficult situations, and life can be really messy. Developmental defects, rape, incest, the physical toll on the mother, even broken relationships.

Well said. However. I see these two paragraphs as contradictory statements.

An acorn is not a tree. Neither an acorn nor a tree attain consciousness. Oddly enough, we have more laws in place protecting trees than we do the unborn.

At some point in the womb, a fetus becomes a human life, and science, not religion, will ultimately decide when we cross that line. For now, its a shifting standard of viability. Eventually, it will be the point of consciousness.

Life is messy. Society is imperfect. There are no perfect answers. The child born into a broken home and life of poverty, who gets hooked on drugs and then goes on to murder someone...who is the victim? Hard to say. Or the child molestor who suffered abuse as a child? If this was an easy conversation, we wouldn’t still be having it.

The government imposes morality on society everyday.

 

[jackstar7]

Well said. However. I see these two paragraphs as contradictory statements.

An acorn is not a tree. Neither an acorn nor a tree attain consciousness. Oddly enough, we have more laws in place protecting trees than we do the unborn.

At some point in the womb, a fetus becomes a human life, and science, not religion, will ultimately decide when we cross that line. For now, its a shifting standard of viability. Eventually, it will be the point of consciousness.

Life is messy. Society is imperfect. There are no perfect answers. The child born into a broken home and life of poverty, who gets hooked on drugs and then goes on to murder someone...who is the victim? Hard to say. Or the child molestor who suffered abuse as a child? If this was an easy conversation, we wouldn’t still be having it.

The government imposes morality on society everyday.

What makes you determine that the fetus becomes a human life in the womb?

 

[SMOGZINN]

Well said. However. I see these two paragraphs as contradictory statements.

An acorn is not a tree. Neither an acorn nor a tree attain consciousness. Oddly enough, we have more laws in place protecting trees than we do the unborn.

At some point in the womb, a fetus becomes a human life, and science, not religion, will ultimately decide when we cross that line. For now, its a shifting standard of viability. Eventually, it will be the point of consciousness.

Life is messy. Society is imperfect. There are no perfect answers. The child born into a broken home and life of poverty, who gets hooked on drugs and then goes on to murder someone...who is the victim? Hard to say. Or the child molestor who suffered abuse as a child? If this was an easy conversation, we wouldn’t still be having it.

The government imposes morality on society everyday.

Honestly, consciousness, if by that you mean self-awareness, probably does not come until some point after birth, in the first few months after birth.

 

[Starbuck1975]

What makes you determine that the fetus becomes a human life in the womb?

I don’t...but society is inconsistent in its determination as well. A woman who miscarries doesn’t mourn the loss of a parasite. If a person murders a pregnant woman, we charge that person with two murders.

Convenience or burden does not seem like a reasonable standard for the valuation of life. For now, viability is a reasonable standard. Science could conceivably change our understanding and interpretation of that standard.

 

[Starbuck1975]

Honestly, consciousness, if by that you mean self-awareness, probably does not come until some point after birth, in the first few months after birth.

I am not sure where to set that standard. However, as AI continues to expand, I suspect it will eventually challenge our current understanding of life itself.

 

[SMOGZINN]

I am not sure where to set that standard. However, as AI continues to expand, I suspect it will eventually challenge our current understanding of life itself.

The basic standard for consciousness is self-awareness. We have a set of behaviors that we can test for to see if a mind is self-aware or not, at least in humans these are highly reliable. We know that infants begin to show signs of self-aware behavior between 12-18 months.

I agree with you that as AI research continues we will come to a better understanding of just what consciousness is, as we will, hopefully, be able to examine new forms of consciousness develop and start to finally get a grasp on just how form and environment shape it.