PA246Q worth $500 ?

Soulkeeper

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I'm considering buying the ASUS PA246Q Tomorrow.

here is a list of other LCDs I was looking at:
27" 2560 x 1440
SAMSUNG S27A850D
HP ZR2740w
24" 1920 x 1200
Dell UltraSharp U2412M
HP ZR24w

Prices range from about $300-$900 on these monitors
The Asus one is the only 16:10 that is in stock at any local stores.
If I buy online I could get the Dell the cheapest for around $300
or the higher res 27" ones for $900 or $700
This will be a workstation monitor (reading, programming, mild gaming).

What's important to me in order:
resolution
power usage (led backlighting)
color accuracy
connectors (dvi, hdmi, vga, dp), USB or other stuff is useless to me.
stand, build quality, osd, etc.

Any reason I shouln't get this ASUS and instead pick one of the above online ?
 

djsb

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I was going to say that the ASUS's wide color gamut would turn me off, but apparently it's a 10-bit screen so you probably won't get inaccurate colors when you swich it to standard gamut mode. That's the only thing I can think of, really.

As the satisfied owner of a HP ZR24w, I can say that I feel just the slightest touch of envy. The only reason you'd go for that is to save around 100 dollars, but it has an intensely bright CCFL backlight and you do have to calibrate it out of the box (and it doesn't have 10 bit color or wide gamut, if you need them).
 
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Tookie123

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The Asus's backlight isn't a led backlight. Mine uses about 50w at 14 brightness setting and in srgb mode.
 

Soulkeeper

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The Asus's backlight isn't a led backlight. Mine uses about 50w at 14 brightness setting and in srgb mode.

I think none of the pure IPS panels have led backlighting
I guess it's a tradeoff
completely incompatible maybe ?
This is another way in which the DELL is appealing

I like how my 21.5" led backlit samsung only uses about 20W when active
I don't think i'm gonna get that kind of performance on the desktop(16:10) unfortunately
 
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ViRGE

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I think none of the pure IPS panels have led backlighting
I guess it's a tradeoff
completely incompatible maybe ?
This is another way in which the DELL is appealing
If you want a wide gamut you need a light source that can generate it in the first place, and for that you need CCFL. WLED is narrow gamut, and I don't think RGB LED is at a point where it can match CCFLs yet.

Anyhow, I have a PA246Q and it's pretty good. However for some reason I seem to be really susceptible to the red fringe/shadow illusion, and I'm not sure whether that's just me or if it's exacerbated by how Asus laid out their pixels. I'd almost suggesting trying to actually see one before buying it.
 

Soulkeeper

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you're kinda scaring me with this "wide gamut" talk

I really know nothing about that
fortunately the ASUS is on display at the store, and one of the sales guys says he owns it.
I didn't take a hard look at it, just wrote down the model number and figured i'd research it a bit at home before buying.
 

DarkRogue

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It really depends on what kind of "color accuracy" you want.

Will you be using color managed applications?

The major reason I went for my LCD is because it was sRGB - I didn't want to deal with the wide gamut stuff.

All monitors also drift over time. Will you invest in a colorimeter as well to keep it calibrated?
 

ViRGE

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you're kinda scaring me with this "wide gamut" talk

I really know nothing about that
fortunately the ASUS is on display at the store, and one of the sales guys says he owns it.
I didn't take a hard look at it, just wrote down the model number and figured i'd research it a bit at home before buying.
Wide gamut just means it's a monitor capable of displaying more than the usual 16.7mil (2^24) colors; usually it's 1.07B (2^30). If you don't know what wide gamut is that's fine, it just means it's not something you'll use. Most users will want to stick to sRGB mode anyhow (which uses the normal gamut) as the wide gamut modes can cause cause colors to show up wrong in applications that don't use the operating system's color correction methods.
 

C1

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Ive had the PA246Q for a couple months now and really like it. You can see my write up of it on the LCD Sticky. Dont worry about wide gamut as ASUS did a good job of both factory color calibration as well as provided the needed alternate modes (eg, sRGB, AdobeRGB, Standard, User, Scenery, Theater) to allow you to get whatever you want/need.

No one seems to mention the significant important implementations ASUS has done with this monitor (which really is a modified DELL U2410 - same LG panel and basic electronics). For example, the SIX axis color correction has all the degrees of freedom to adjust color in a way you should ever need or want and the ASCR option in Theater mode renders great blacks with movies. The powerful CCFL effortlessly is able to provide rich/luxurious colors. If you dont want the wide gamut then just choose sRGB, Standard mode or just calibrate your own preference in User mode. No one ever mentions that this monitor is custom calibrated at the factory, comes with a calibration report for YOUR SERIAL NUMBER AND INCLUDES THE UNIQUE "INI" FILE FOR YOUR SERIAL NUMBER DERIVED AT THE FACTORY DURING THE CUSTOM CALIBRATION (file is on included CD for use with your photo shop application).

Over all Im satisfied.

In terms of display quality/imperfection, probably the weakest area of this monitor might be IPS glow. In a dark room, the glow can be quite noticeable. (The old no longer available expensive IPS "WXI" NECs used a TW polarizer to suppress this effect.) In normally lighted room/office the ASUS's glow is effectively unnoticeable or irrelevant.

If you decide to purchase this monitor, be sure to use the DVI option as I found that text was perceptibly crisper than with VGA. (Use of VGA seemed to result in text having a slight shadow or reflection like artifact, but cleaned up with instead using DVI.)
 
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Soulkeeper

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thanks for the detailed response.
as this is the only 16:10 display I can purchase locally it's extremely tempting

I just noticed NEC EA243WM-BK
This is a standard gamut that apparently just came out last month
the power usage numbers they are claiming are the best i've seen of anyone in this size/res

so it comes down to a personal choice for me now :/
 

cantholdanymore

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If you decide to purchase this monitor, be sure to use the DVI option as I found that text was perceptibly crisper than with VGA. (Use of VGA seemed to result in text having a slight shadow or reflection like artifact, but cleaned up with instead using DVI.)

I have this monitor and higly recommended for anyone interested in photo editing. As mentioned, the only downside is the very high black level ( I mean black should be blacker) but this seem to be a general characteristic of current IPS monitors AFAIK.

To C1, dude you had this monitor hooked to the VGA? :hmm: I'm using DVI; good think all the cables are in the box
Edit: BTW I don't see any red shadow in mine
 
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imaheadcase

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Why not the Dell U2410? Its better than the ones you listed. Its 1900x1200, gets fantastic reviews. Its great for all the things you listed. Its the middle ground of the price you want. Better than the asus, cheaper dell monitor you listed.
 

C1

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No red shadow observable with mine either. In fact, one of the comments regarding my unit is the ability to display/matrix an effective perfect black-white PIX.

re:use of VGA
Whenever you purchase any electronic device, be sure to check/inspect ALL of its features/capabilities to ensure that they are functional (ie, you got what you paid for). Dont know how many times, for example, saw in a forum that someone found out a year or more later that a display port couldnt be made to work after they finally got around to or in a situation in which they needed it or decided to try it.

This monitor allows simultaneous connection of multiple ports (eg, both DVI & VGA ports for the PIP) or switching plus my video card allows use of dual simultaneous monitors (thru VGA & DVI).
 

C1

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Why not the Dell U2410? Its better than the ones you listed. Its 1900x1200, gets fantastic reviews. Its great for all the things you listed. Its the middle ground of the price you want. Better than the asus, cheaper dell monitor you listed.

PA246Q is a modified DELL U2410 and displays equivalent performance. See:
http://www.prad.de/en/monitore/review/2011/review-asus-pa246q.html


My view is that ASUS has taken care of putting more effort into the customization of its units.

Any issues about an individual panel will always be there and is one of the reasons people have difficulty with buying an LCD via mail order. For example, the unit I obtained in a new box from FRYs is better (uniformity) than what I observed on the floor/demo model in the store.
 

AdamK47

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Why not the Dell U2410? Its better than the ones you listed. Its 1900x1200, gets fantastic reviews. Its great for all the things you listed. Its the middle ground of the price you want. Better than the asus, cheaper dell monitor you listed.

What are the specs that make the Dell better?
 

DarkRogue

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Ive had the PA246Q for a couple months now and really like it. You can see my write up of it on the LCD Sticky. Dont worry about wide gamut as ASUS did a good job of both factory color calibration as well as provided the needed alternate modes (eg, sRGB, AdobeRGB, Standard, User, Scenery, Theater) to allow you to get whatever you want/need.

No one seems to mention the significant important implementations ASUS has done with this monitor (which really is a modified DELL U2410 - same LG panel and basic electronics). For example, the SIX axis color correction has all the degrees of freedom to adjust color in a way you should ever need or want and the ASCR option in Theater mode renders great blacks with movies. The powerful CCFL effortlessly is able to provide rich/luxurious colors. If you dont want the wide gamut then just choose sRGB, Standard mode or just calibrate your own preference in User mode. No one ever mentions that this monitor is custom calibrated at the factory, comes with a calibration report for YOUR SERIAL NUMBER AND INCLUDES THE UNIQUE "INI" FILE FOR YOUR SERIAL NUMBER DERIVED AT THE FACTORY DURING THE CUSTOM CALIBRATION (file is on included CD for use with your photo shop application).

Over all Im satisfied.

In terms of display quality/imperfection, probably the weakest area of this monitor might be IPS glow. In a dark room, the glow can be quite noticeable. (The old no longer available expensive IPS "WXI" NECs used a TW polarizer to suppress this effect.) In normally lighted room/office the ASUS's glow is effectively unnoticeable or irrelevant.

If you decide to purchase this monitor, be sure to use the DVI option as I found that text was perceptibly crisper than with VGA. (Use of VGA seemed to result in text having a slight shadow or reflection like artifact, but cleaned up with instead using DVI.)

The problem, again, with factory calibration, or ANY calibration for that matter, is that it does, and WILL drift over time. For color-critical applications it's recommended you re-calibrate weekly, or before starting work on a big project. Otherwise, on my NEC at least, I've measured the drift becoming apparent (dE > 2) in about 3 months time.

Another thing is that "sRGB" modes on most of these wide gamut monitors typically only try to emulate it, and are unable to be calibrated very well, if at all. Of course, my research is a few years out of date at this point, so I don't know if that specific monitor has improved on it. To my understanding, the best case is to actually have the LCD itself do hardware gamut-conversion, and allow for calibration of the new gamut.

The A-TW polarizer is nice, but the side effect is that you do get a slight magenta and green hue when viewed at extreme angles against darker colors.

Finally, never use VGA with LCD's if you can help it. VGA provides an analog signal, which was great for a CRT, but not so much for an LCD, where its pixels are of a fixed size. Feed it with only digital signals (DVI, HDMI, etc.) when at all possible.
 

Johnny Doe

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I think none of the pure IPS panels have led backlighting
I guess it's a tradeoff

It's not. LED is a gimmick. All top-end panels are fluorescent backlit, which is a more natural light source than LED.

The PA246Q has a real 6-bit panel. None of that overexaggerated 12-bit crap we see on say Hazro panels. It covers Adobe RGB, and is a great panel.

Alternatively, you can look at the DoubleSight 24' which is cheaper, and is a solid, IIRC, S-IPS panel.
 

Soulkeeper

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It's not. LED is a gimmick. All top-end panels are fluorescent backlit, which is a more natural light source than LED.

The PA246Q has a real 6-bit panel. None of that overexaggerated 12-bit crap we see on say Hazro panels. It covers Adobe RGB, and is a great panel.

Alternatively, you can look at the DoubleSight 24' which is cheaper, and is a solid, IIRC, S-IPS panel.

That's what I said, cept the PA246Q is a 10bit panel. Probably the only good thing and the main benefit of the LED backlighting is power usage.
 
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Soulkeeper

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I went ahead and purchased the PA246Q
It's sitting on my desk now.
I'll update later on how it works
 

C1

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It's not. LED is a gimmick. All top-end panels are fluorescent backlit, which is a more natural light source than LED.

The PA246Q has a real 6-bit panel. None of that overexaggerated 12-bit crap we see on say Hazro panels. It covers Adobe RGB, and is a great panel.

Alternatively, you can look at the DoubleSight 24' which is cheaper, and is a solid, IIRC, S-IPS panel.

LED Monitors, besides energy efficiency, are also lighter and thinner. They also should not have the warm up time to full brightness CCFL requires.

In general, Im not overly impressed with the LED units I survey in FRYs. I think, though, LED is fine for an economy class TN panel. However, when it comes to building a display for more serious graphics/photo work (like the ProArt), CCFLs seem preferred. That may change eventually with OLED becoming mainstream.
 

Johnny Doe

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I think, though, LED is fine for an economy class TN panel.

LED + TN = garbage. That's what they're shoving off since it's cheap to make.

However, when it comes to building a display for more serious graphics/photo work (like the ProArt), CCFLs seem preferred. That may change eventually with OLED becoming mainstream.

I'd prefer a quality CCFL over any LED. Most LED's they use in panels are cheap, they aren't up there with the majority of CCFL's. That's why CCFL is most the time better.
 
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