Yep, at a higher rate than the US. And there is a lot of smuggling going on too, from what I've heard.
Originally posted by: ddjkdg
I heard that in England the tobacco tax makes packs cause $8+. People still smoke there, don't they?
Originally posted by: kip1124
Originally posted by: rickn
Originally posted by: m2kewl
I'm for it! At worst this will help save lives.
just what this overcrowded world needs, more people living longer than they should. If someone wants to kill themselves smoking, I say let em. Only thing I don't like is smoking in restaurants, otherwise smokers do not bother me one bit.
the thing is, it's our tax dollars that's treating smokers with COPD (chronic obstructive pulmonary disorder) such as emphysema. i'm talking about medicare and other federal/state healthcare system.
and there are too many smokers who start fires by throwing out butts during drought, fire in the residence,.....
the officials would much rather see people quit than make a few extra million per year
Originally posted by: AmusedOne
Originally posted by: ddjkdg
I heard that in England the tobacco tax makes packs cause $8+. People still smoke there, don't they?
Yep, at a higher rate than the US. And there is a lot of smuggling going on too, from what I've heard.
Originally posted by: Jerboy
Originally posted by: m2kewl
I'm for it! At worst this will help save lives.
I'm for it! At least it helps reduce second hand smoke somehow.
Cigarette is environmentally hazardous too, because many choose to litter them on ground.
Hey a quart of Trichlorotrifluoroethane goes for ~$150 because of heavy federal excise tax. Sounds just fair to impose heavy tax on cigarettes.
Originally posted by: Gaard
Originally posted by: AmusedOne
Originally posted by: ddjkdg
I heard that in England the tobacco tax makes packs cause $8+. People still smoke there, don't they?
Yep, at a higher rate than the US. And there is a lot of smuggling going on too, from what I've heard.
How much of a problem is their blackmarket over there? Compared to the major problem that you've said we'll have over here if cig taxes continue to rise I mean.
Originally posted by: Gonad the Barbarian
You guys that are appluading this will be crying foul when the government decides people are driving too much and auto-related injuries are causing tax-payers too much and start taxing the Hell out of gas. Or they decide people are drinking too much and do the same to alcohol. Or are eating too much fast food. Or are watching too much TV. Or surfing the internet too much. This is a dangerous path that not only limits your freedoms but encourages black markets and thus crime.
just what this overcrowded world needs, more people living longer than they should.
Originally posted by: Gaard
just what this overcrowded world needs, more people living longer than they should.
I agree with this guy. Raising taxes on cigs is bad because we don't want people to stop dying prematurely.
Originally posted by: AmusedOne
Originally posted by: Gaard
just what this overcrowded world needs, more people living longer than they should.
I agree with this guy. Raising taxes on cigs is bad because we don't want people to stop dying prematurely.
No, it's bad because it's none of your business if people want to shorten their lives with silly habits. It's also bad because laws like these invariably cause more crime, and cost more money than had they just left people thw hell alone. Tell me, how much is the war on drugs costing us?
I just posted because I thought what the other dude said was pretty stupid.
Originally posted by: Gaard
I'm not going to argue with that. I agree it's not any of my business (as long as they don't blow their smoke in my direction)...although, to be honest with you, I'm not going to get all up in arms over raised taxes on smokes. Should I be? Maybe. Will I be? No.
Just remember if you're not willing to stand up and oppose abuse of government power and the oppression of others, how can you expect anyone to help you when it's your turn to take it up the ass?
They're already taxing soda at a higher rate in some areas, and fast food is next. Remember, that's EXACTLY how it started with cigarettes.
BTW, I don't smoke. I haven't for nearly three years now. But abuse like this should outrage EVERYONE.
Originally posted by: AmusedOne
Originally posted by: kip1124
Originally posted by: rickn
Originally posted by: m2kewl
I'm for it! At worst this will help save lives.
just what this overcrowded world needs, more people living longer than they should. If someone wants to kill themselves smoking, I say let em. Only thing I don't like is smoking in restaurants, otherwise smokers do not bother me one bit.
the thing is, it's our tax dollars that's treating smokers with COPD (chronic obstructive pulmonary disorder) such as emphysema. i'm talking about medicare and other federal/state healthcare system.
and there are too many smokers who start fires by throwing out butts during drought, fire in the residence,.....
What the minority of smokers cost in expensive diseases, they SAVE in long term senior healthcare (Medicare) and Social Security. Dying sooner saves a heck of a lot of money.
The claim that they cost society more overall is bogus, and illogical.
As for the fire claimsI'll bet space heaters are more dangerous.
Originally posted by: AmusedOne
Originally posted by: Gaard
I'm not going to argue with that. I agree it's not any of my business (as long as they don't blow their smoke in my direction)...although, to be honest with you, I'm not going to get all up in arms over raised taxes on smokes. Should I be? Maybe. Will I be? No.
Just remember if you're not willing to stand up and oppose abuse of government power and the oppression of others, how can you expect anyone to help you when it's your turn to take it up the ass?
They're already taxing soda at a higher rate in some areas, and fast food is next. Remember, that's EXACTLY how it started with cigarettes.
BTW, I don't smoke. I haven't for nearly three years now. But abuse like this should outrage EVERYONE.
Wouldn't the best way for people to show their displeasure with this is be with their votes?
Have you ever thought of going into politics? Sincerely. You're very passionate in the workings of government.
Originally posted by: Gaard
Originally posted by: AmusedOne
Originally posted by: Gaard
I'm not going to argue with that. I agree it's not any of my business (as long as they don't blow their smoke in my direction)...although, to be honest with you, I'm not going to get all up in arms over raised taxes on smokes. Should I be? Maybe. Will I be? No.
Just remember if you're not willing to stand up and oppose abuse of government power and the oppression of others, how can you expect anyone to help you when it's your turn to take it up the ass?
They're already taxing soda at a higher rate in some areas, and fast food is next. Remember, that's EXACTLY how it started with cigarettes.
BTW, I don't smoke. I haven't for nearly three years now. But abuse like this should outrage EVERYONE.
Wouldn't the best way for people to show their displeasure with this is be with their votes?
Have you ever thought of going into politics? Sincerely. You're very passionate in the workings of government.
As we can see by the majority responses here, no one cares until it's their bull being gored. Not only that, but they somehow feel it's OK to violate the rights of people who do things they don't agree with. And no, I wont go into politics. It's not worth it. I may do something after I retire, but right now my business comes first.