Pakistan army victorious in Bajaur

[The Green Bean]

KHAR: Pakistani has cleared a troubled tribal district of Taliban militants near the border with Afghanistan after a military operation lasting nearly six months, a commander said Saturday.

Heavy artillery and gunship helicopters have pounded Bajaur, one of Pakistan's seven federally-administered tribal areas (FATA) along the Afghan border, in a bid to flush out militant bases, killing hundreds.

'We think that we have secured this agency,' said major general Tariq Khan, the commander of forces fighting in Bajaur, using a local word to refer to the district.

'They have lost. They have lost their cohesion out here,' he told reporters flown by helicopters from Islamabad.

Khan said some troops may be withdrawn from Bajaur but the bulk would remain for some time.

'There will be a gradual reduction of the army but the army is not going to pull out for some time,' Khan said and added that in other five tribal districts the forces would more or less finish military operations soon.

The operation has seen the deaths of 97 soldiers from the Pakistan army and the paramilitary Frontier Corps, while 404 troops were injured, he said.

Tariq said about 50 per cent of the militants were Afghans and some Sudanese and Egyptians had been killed in Bajuar in the initial stages of operation.

To prevent the cross-border movement of Taliban militants Khan recommended fencing the rugged and porous border between Pakistan and Afghanistan.

He described a unilateral ceasefire declared by Taliban on Monday as 'a face-saving statement.'

'We have not accepted that ceasefire. There was no question of ceasefire, the resistance has melted, dissolved. It is not there,' he said.

Shafirullah, the chief of the Bajaur civil administration, said 1,600 militants were killed and more than 2,000 were injured while some 150 civilians also died and about 2,000 were injured in the fighting.

The pitched battles and bombardment had destroyed about 5,000 homes in an area covering 80 per cent of the combat zone, Shafirullah said.

Pakistan's northwestern tribal belt has become a stronghold for hundreds of extremists who fled Afghanistan after the US-led invasion toppled the hardline Taliban regime in late 2001.

Islamabad says the Bajaur offensive is proof of its commitment to crushing insurgents, despite heavy criticism from US and Afghan officials who say Pakistan is not doing enough to stop militants crossing into Afghanistan.

Awesome. Now about time we build the fence to stop terrorists crossing over to our side.

http://www.dawn.com/wps/wcm/co...er-region-gen-khan--qs

from wikipedia

The battle is considered to be a deciding conflict in Pakistan's war against Taliban forces. Military officials have said the conflict "could decide the fate of other tribal areas" saying Bajaur could be the most important militant stronghold outside of Waziristan. An influx of Taliban fighters from Afghanistan, diverting resources from the battle there against the International Security Assistance Force (ISAF) has been seen as a further sign of the defining nature of the battle.[17]

 

[StageLeft]

 

[tvarad]

This is just for press. The Pakistani army will not kill their cash cow viz., the war on terror that has netted them billions in cash and weapons since 9/11. The best scenario for them is for both the Nato forces and Taliban to not lose. To that end, they will weaken whichever side is gaining the upper hand.

It's Machiavellianism at it's finest.

 

[Schadenfroh]

The operation has seen the deaths of 97 soldiers from the Pakistan army

While it is sad that so many lost their lives, I am happy that Pakistan was victorious in that battle and was able to crush those insurgents.

 

[DealMonkey]

:thumbsup:

Good job! Keep it up!

 

[Lemon law]

Originally posted by: tvarad
This is just for press. The Pakistani army will not kill their cash cow viz., the war on terror that has netted them billions in cash and weapons since 9/11. The best scenario for them is for both the Nato forces and Taliban to not lose. To that end, they will weaken whichever side is gaining the upper hand.

It's Machiavellianism at it's finest.

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Its some what humorous to see a reactionary deny the facts.

But the facts are that its Pakistan not Nato that has arrested more Al-Quida operatives and engaged more of the Taliban. And as a consequence, has taken
more army causalities than Nato. And because many Pakistani troops are inexperienced at these type of operations, there can be a leaning curve that six months of continuous combat tends to cure. Even though the Pakistani army is unlikely to ever match Nato's supply and resource level.

Yet here we have a situation where it looks like the Pakistani army, after a long campaign, has emerged with a victory, and immediately we get someone saying, say its not so Joe, their army can't possibly be good for anything.

Of course that a little problematical, when we consider, for all of Nato's military competence, they fall further and further behind every year. Its not that Nato is inept militarily, they are inept politically, and both Nato and Pakistan could benefit from better co-operation.

 

[yllus]

Sorry to hear about the deaths of those soldiers. They died fighting for a good cause.

 

[firewall]

Good work!

Fencing that portion of the border doesn't seems like that bad of an idea.

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

Originally posted by: The Green Bean

KHAR: Pakistani has cleared a troubled tribal district of Taliban militants near the border with Afghanistan after a military operation lasting nearly six months, a commander said Saturday.

Heavy artillery and gunship helicopters have pounded Bajaur, one of Pakistan's seven federally-administered tribal areas (FATA) along the Afghan border, in a bid to flush out militant bases, killing hundreds.

'We think that we have secured this agency,' said major general Tariq Khan, the commander of forces fighting in Bajaur, using a local word to refer to the district.

'They have lost. They have lost their cohesion out here,' he told reporters flown by helicopters from Islamabad.

Khan said some troops may be withdrawn from Bajaur but the bulk would remain for some time.

'There will be a gradual reduction of the army but the army is not going to pull out for some time,' Khan said and added that in other five tribal districts the forces would more or less finish military operations soon.

The operation has seen the deaths of 97 soldiers from the Pakistan army and the paramilitary Frontier Corps, while 404 troops were injured, he said.

Tariq said about 50 per cent of the militants were Afghans and some Sudanese and Egyptians had been killed in Bajuar in the initial stages of operation.

To prevent the cross-border movement of Taliban militants Khan recommended fencing the rugged and porous border between Pakistan and Afghanistan.

He described a unilateral ceasefire declared by Taliban on Monday as 'a face-saving statement.'

'We have not accepted that ceasefire. There was no question of ceasefire, the resistance has melted, dissolved. It is not there,' he said.

Shafirullah, the chief of the Bajaur civil administration, said 1,600 militants were killed and more than 2,000 were injured while some 150 civilians also died and about 2,000 were injured in the fighting.

The pitched battles and bombardment had destroyed about 5,000 homes in an area covering 80 per cent of the combat zone, Shafirullah said.

Pakistan's northwestern tribal belt has become a stronghold for hundreds of extremists who fled Afghanistan after the US-led invasion toppled the hardline Taliban regime in late 2001.

Islamabad says the Bajaur offensive is proof of its commitment to crushing insurgents, despite heavy criticism from US and Afghan officials who say Pakistan is not doing enough to stop militants crossing into Afghanistan.

Awesome. Now about time we build the fence to stop terrorists crossing over to our side.

http://www.dawn.com/wps/wcm/co...er-region-gen-khan--qs

from wikipedia

The battle is considered to be a deciding conflict in Pakistan's war against Taliban forces. Military officials have said the conflict "could decide the fate of other tribal areas" saying Bajaur could be the most important militant stronghold outside of Waziristan. An influx of Taliban fighters from Afghanistan, diverting resources from the battle there against the International Security Assistance Force (ISAF) has been seen as a further sign of the defining nature of the battle.[17]

The Taliban are pushed between a rock and a hard place, there is still a lot to do IN Pakistan before a securing border force would be a good idea, a fence isn't going to work for obvious reasons.

Remember that the Taliban still have strongholds inside of Pakistan and these people aren't like any enemy troops you'll ever come across, they will die before they surrender, every single one.

But good job Pakistan! The taliban needs to be killed, each and every single one of them.

 

[TechBoyJK]

Yea this is awesome. Sounds like Pakistan ( a client of mine) has been stepping it up. Hopefully Obama's Surge in afghanistan will have the two sides playing tennis with the taliban going between Pakistan and Afghanistan. With Pakistan still pegging at the other five provinces and the US kicking it up in Afghanistan, the Taliban will have nowhere to hide except in the mountains (which we can carpet bomb).

 

[palehorse]

Originally posted by: JohnOfSheffield
The Taliban are pushed between a rock and a hard place, there is still a lot to do IN Pakistan before a securing border force would be a good idea, a fence isn't going to work for obvious reasons.

Remember that the Taliban still have strongholds inside of Pakistan and these people aren't like any enemy troops you'll ever come across, they will die before they surrender, every single one.

But good job Pakistan! The taliban needs to be killed, each and every single one of them.

This.

However, unless we better coordinate our efforts, on a much grander scale, we'll simply end up playing an eternal game of whack-a-mole with the little fuckers. After all, the Taliban still own Peshawar and most of Swat.

And that fence idea is simply ridiculous...

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

Originally posted by: TechBoyJK
Yea this is awesome. Sounds like Pakistan ( a client of mine) has been stepping it up. Hopefully Obama's Surge in afghanistan will have the two sides playing tennis with the taliban going between Pakistan and Afghanistan. With Pakistan still pegging at the other five provinces and the US kicking it up in Afghanistan, the Taliban will have nowhere to hide except in the mountains (which we can carpet bomb).

1. A surge wouldn't work in Afghanistan, a tactical change would, i'm not in charge and i can't fix it but we need to round them up and basically kill all of them, not just go after camp after camp after camp.

2. No, you can't carpet bomb those areas, if you could it would already be done, there have to be troops on the ground to guide airforce.

The Taliban needs to be eradicated, we can agree on that.

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

Originally posted by: palehorse

Originally posted by: JohnOfSheffield
The Taliban are pushed between a rock and a hard place, there is still a lot to do IN Pakistan before a securing border force would be a good idea, a fence isn't going to work for obvious reasons.

Remember that the Taliban still have strongholds inside of Pakistan and these people aren't like any enemy troops you'll ever come across, they will die before they surrender, every single one.

But good job Pakistan! The taliban needs to be killed, each and every single one of them.

This.

However, unless we better coordinate our efforts, on a much grander scale, we'll simply end up playing an eternal game of whack-a-mole with the little fuckers. After all, the Taliban still own Peshawar and most of Swat.

And that fence idea is simply ridiculous...

Yup, but they are getting decimated in both locations though.

Courtesy of the RAF (SAS) and the USAF, here, have a missile for breakfast Mr Taliban.

 

[Lemon law]

Where does this kill each and every Taliban idea come from??????????????

They are still human beings, not wild animals, and the Taliban is an idea which cannot be killed. The idea is to give the Taliban a better way of achieving what they regard as better governance.

For what its worth, before 911, the Taliban stood four square against opium production, public corruption in government, and had nearly stopped a raging civil war that had been decimating Afghanistan for better than a decade. Granted, the Taliban have some wacky ideas and used some brutal tactics, but its does not mean that anyone exposed to Taliban ideas embrace them 100%,, that they are 100% evil, and were not better than the rats and thugs that were in charge of Afghanistan before. And USA blunder #1, was to ally with the totally brutal, thuggish, and corrupt Northern alliance that justified the Taliban's rise to power in the first place.

And now in the US and Nato's zeal to kill kill kill, we have totally forgotten to do anything to provide any standard of good governance even equal to what the thuggish and corrupt Northern Alliance offered in 1995.

And now we wonder why we are losing to the Taliban?

It was Al-Quida and not the Taliban who attacked us on 911, and when we set up a metric that the Taliban should be shot on sight, to some extent, the Taliban is justified in assuming US and Nato troops should be shot on sight. And when we decide that its justified killing 30 innocent Afghan civilians to kill one Taliban,
its the swiftest way to lose the war.

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

Originally posted by: Lemon law
Where does this kill each and every Taliban idea come from??????????????

They are still human beings, not wild animals

This is where you are wrong, these are not human beings, human beings don't blow up shool classes because the students are female, they don't rape, torture and mutilate girls because they believe it's their god given right.

These are not human beings, they have given up every right that i would ever apply to a human being, these are worse than wild animals, they don't do it for food or fun either, they do it because they believe it's the will of their god.

If people are ever going to be safe in the area, they will all need to die, you don't get this and i get that you don't get this because if you did, you would know, a Taliban that you agree with wouldn't argue with you, he'd torture you slowly to death regardless of what you had to say and a Taliban never gives up, he'll rather die than be captured.

There is only one solution to this problem and everyone who has ever been involved knows that, why do you think the Generals are claiming this is a no-win situation? Because to win we will need support from the likes of you and you'd rather see schoolgirls burned to death than the Taliban defeated the only way they can be defeated.

 

[palehorse]

Originally posted by: Lemon law
Where does this kill each and every Taliban idea come from??????????????

They are still human beings, not wild animals, and the Taliban is an idea which cannot be killed. The idea is to give the Taliban a better way of achieving what they regard as better governance.

For what its worth, before 911, the Taliban stood four square against opium production, public corruption in government, and had nearly stopped a raging civil war that had been decimating Afghanistan for better than a decade. Granted, the Taliban have some wacky ideas and used some brutal tactics, but its does not mean that anyone exposed to Taliban ideas embrace them 100%,, that they are 100% evil, and were not better than the rats and thugs that were in charge of Afghanistan before. And USA blunder #1, was to ally with the totally brutal, thuggish, and corrupt Northern alliance that justified the Taliban's rise to power in the first place.

And now in the US and Nato's zeal to kill kill kill, we have totally forgotten to do anything to provide any standard of good governance even equal to what the thuggish and corrupt Northern Alliance offered in 1995.

And now we wonder why we are losing to the Taliban?

It was Al-Quida and not the Taliban who attacked us on 911, and when we set up a metric that the Taliban should be shot on sight, to some extent, the Taliban is justified in assuming US and Nato troops should be shot on sight. And when we decide that its justified killing 30 innocent Afghan civilians to kill one Taliban, its the swiftest way to lose the war.

/yawn

try to stay on topic... we've heard all of your other drivel before. In this thread, we're discussing Iran's covert material support of our enemies.

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

Originally posted by: Lemon law
Where does this kill each and every Taliban idea come from??????????????

They are still human beings, not wild animals, and the Taliban is an idea which cannot be killed. The idea is to give the Taliban a better way of achieving what they regard as better governance.

For what its worth, before 911, the Taliban stood four square against opium production, public corruption in government, and had nearly stopped a raging civil war that had been decimating Afghanistan for better than a decade. Granted, the Taliban have some wacky ideas and used some brutal tactics, but its does not mean that anyone exposed to Taliban ideas embrace them 100%,, that they are 100% evil, and were not better than the rats and thugs that were in charge of Afghanistan before. And USA blunder #1, was to ally with the totally brutal, thuggish, and corrupt Northern alliance that justified the Taliban's rise to power in the first place.

And now in the US and Nato's zeal to kill kill kill, we have totally forgotten to do anything to provide any standard of good governance even equal to what the thuggish and corrupt Northern Alliance offered in 1995.

And now we wonder why we are losing to the Taliban?

It was Al-Quida and not the Taliban who attacked us on 911, and when we set up a metric that the Taliban should be shot on sight, to some extent, the Taliban is justified in assuming US and Nato troops should be shot on sight. And when we decide that its justified killing 30 innocent Afghan civilians to kill one Taliban,
its the swiftest way to lose the war.

So...how do we win?

 

[firewall]

Originally posted by: Lemon law
Where does this kill each and every Taliban idea come from??????????????

Either it comes from an intense fear of the Taliban or else, irrational fundamentalism. Ironically, the latter makes perpetrators of this idea equal to the very entity they fight. The couch generals here, on ATP&N, think that disproportionate use of might is the answer to every question. The results inside Afghanistan are in front of everyone to see. Victories like those mentioned by the OP are few and far in between. We shouldn't be committing more troops for Afghanistan. Instead, it is time to pull them all back out of Afghanistan to home (or other bases abroad).

We have enough on our hands as it is with this economic crisis.

 

[palehorse]

Originally posted by: firewall

Originally posted by: Lemon law
Where does this kill each and every Taliban idea come from??????????????

Either it comes from an intense fear of the Taliban or else, irrational fundamentalism. Ironically, the latter makes perpetrators of this idea equal to the very entity they fight. The couch generals here, on ATP&N, think that disproportionate use of might is the answer to every question. The results inside Afghanistan are in front of everyone to see. Victories like those mentioned by the OP are few and far in between. We shouldn't be committing more troops for Afghanistan. Instead, it is time to pull them all back out of Afghanistan to home (or other bases abroad).

We have enough on our hands as it is with this economic crisis.

Please select the "couch Generals" from the following list:

a. Palehorse
b. JohnOfSheffield
c. Lemon Law
d. firewall
e. All of the above
f. None of the above

Thanks ahead of time!

 

[Arkaign]

Originally posted by: palehorse

Originally posted by: firewall

Originally posted by: Lemon law
Where does this kill each and every Taliban idea come from??????????????

Either it comes from an intense fear of the Taliban or else, irrational fundamentalism. Ironically, the latter makes perpetrators of this idea equal to the very entity they fight. The couch generals here, on ATP&N, think that disproportionate use of might is the answer to every question. The results inside Afghanistan are in front of everyone to see. Victories like those mentioned by the OP are few and far in between. We shouldn't be committing more troops for Afghanistan. Instead, it is time to pull them all back out of Afghanistan to home (or other bases abroad).

We have enough on our hands as it is with this economic crisis.

Please select the "couch Generals" from the following list:

a. Palehorse
b. JohnOfSheffield
c. Lemon Law
d. firewall
e. All of the above
f. None of the above

Thanks ahead of time!

lol that is all. Carry on, good sir.

 

[dphantom]

I wouldn't get your hopes up this will last. Pakstan has claimed victory before only to have the Taliban regain control later or have to settle with some truce accord ceding control to the Taliban.

 

[OCGuy]

Our hellfires have been claiming victory in Pakistan for a while now.

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

Don't worry, we got this regardless of what Pakistan does or doesn't do, we got this one.

You have my word.

 

[Zebo]

Originally posted by: JohnOfSheffield
Don't worry, we got this regardless of what Pakistan does or doesn't do, we got this one.

You have my word.

Sure we do they are just taking root in UK and laying low. Two steps forward one step back is all thats happening here.
https://tiscali.co.uk/media/im...k-britain-cartoons.jpg
http://mypetjawa.mu.nu/archive...e_who_insult_islam.jpg
http://img.dailymail.co.uk/i/p...liceES1807_468x369.jpg

 

[Lemon law]

Now JOS and his kill kill kill policies he advocates now claims, "Don't worry, we got this regardless of what Pakistan does or doesn't do, we got this one.

You have my word.


JOS, you might have an iota of credibility in making that claim if you ever delivered the bacon, but all you have to show for it is seven years of continuous dis improvement. At least you are consistent, each and every year, victory is further and further away. At least Obama is coming up with more troops for Afghanistan, what about you Brits?