Pakistani Politics - Musharraf might be impeached

The Green Bean

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Coalition decides to impeach Musharraf ISLAMABAD, Aug 7: The Co-chairperson of Pakistan Peoples Party Mr Asif Zardari said the ruling coalition had decided to start proceeding to impeach President Musharraf, a local tv channel reported. Mr Zardari was addressing a press conference in Zardari House in Islamabad. The PMl-N chief Mr Nawaz Sharif was sitting alongside Mr Zardari when he made the announcement. Mr Zardai said General Musharraf?s policies had weakened the federation of Pakistan and brought the economy to an impasse. Mr Zardari said the coalition believes it has become imperative to remove General Musharraf as President and will initiate proceedings under Article 47 of the constitution. AFP adds: The landmark agreement came after three days of marathon talks between coalition leaders Asif Ali Zardari and Nawaz Sharif. ?We have good news for democracy,? Zardari said at a joint news conference with Sharif in Islamabad. ?The coalition believes it is imperative to move for impeachment against General Musharraf.? The government had summoned the National Asembly to sit on August 11 and could begin the impeachment proceedings then, a senior coalition official said. (First Posted @ 18:54 PST Updated @ 19:32 PST)

ISLAMABAD, Aug 6: A beleaguered President Pervez Musharraf held consultations with his political loyalists and constitutional and legal aides on Wednesday in what appeared to be an effort to prepare himself to fight off the ruling coalition in its move to impeach him.

?I will defeat those who try to push me to the wall,? sources quoted the president as saying. ?If they use their right to try to oust me I have the right to defend myself.

?I will go down fighting but will not give in to those who are doing so to create more political divisions,? he said.

He said he was an elected president and would continue to serve the nation as long as the Constitution allowed him.

Pakistan Muslim League-Q president Chaudhry Shujaat Hussain, Leader of Opposition in the National Assembly Chaudhry Pervaiz Elahi and party leader Hamid Nasir Chattha were the first to meet him. They assured him of their party?s unwavering support ?through thick and thin?.

Later, the governors of Punjab and Sindh met the president to discuss the political situation.

Sindh Governor Dr Ishratul Ibad is said to have renewed support for President Musharraf on behalf of the Muttahida Qaumi Movement.

The president had decided in the morning not to visit China as a state guest for the Olympics opening ceremonies but he was persuaded by his allies to review the decision. It was decided that he would leave for Beijing on Thursday morning, accompanied by Punjab Governor Salman Taseer.

Before the rescheduling of the visit, the Chinese ambassador in Islamabad called on the president.

Reports of a meeting of constitutional and legal advisers with the president were not confirmed by the presidential spokesman Rashid Qureshi.

The sources said that the PML-Q leaders had asked the president to defend himself in person in parliament. They also convinced him not to call off his visit to China which was a tested strategic friend of Pakistan. Private TV channels also reported a meeting between Chief of the Army Staff Gen Ashfaq Parvez Kayani and the president but it was denied by Inter-Services Public Relations director general Maj-Gen Athar Abbas.

Chaudhry Shujaat told reporters after his two and half an hour meeting at the president?s camp office that the impeachment bogie was aimed at diverting the attention of the people from real issues.

Ways of countering the impeachment move were discussed at the meeting and the PML-Q assured the president that its legislators would defend him in parliament and outside it.

Chaudhry Pervaiz said: ?Gen (retd) Musharraf is an elected president who has the credit of holding free and fair elections. He does not deserve this treatment and we will stand by him in case of any effort to oust him.?

He warned against any move which could sabotage political harmony and create instability at this critical juncture in national history.

It angers me that the idiots in Islamabad care more about their respective seats than the unstable economy, high prices, inflation and security. But then I stop when I realize I can't do anything about it. I'll just enjoy the show while I watch my country ripped apart by traitors Nawaz Sharif and Zardari.

I hope Musharraf doesn't desolve the assembly. Corruption even at the level it is now is way better than international isolation.

 

StageLeft

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It angers me that the idiots in Washington, DC care more about their respective seats than the unstable economy, high prices, inflation and security.
Me, too.

On topic, though, I wondered when Mushy left that position as head of the military if this would make him too vulnerable. They just don't make dictators like they used to, do they? It's a dying breed. I cannot think of any good, new dictators who've come up in recent times.
 

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My reaction is that its an internal Pakistani matter and therefore I will keep any opinions to myself. My sole worry is that it could lead to another basic military coup in Pakistan. Or it could alternately result in a strengthening of Pakistani civilian rule.

But my viewpoint as a US citizen is another case where poorly planned US intervention in a given region resulting in all kinds of regional instabilities, hardly productive for the US when its a status quo nation and basically rolls the dice.

All too often, when the dice quits rolling and the dice are summed, we get a lower score than we had before.
 

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Originally posted by: Skoorb
It angers me that the idiots in Washington, DC care more about their respective seats than the unstable economy, high prices, inflation and security.
Me, too.

On topic, though, I wondered when Mushy left that position as head of the military if this would make him too vulnerable. They just don't make dictators like they used to, do they? It's a dying breed. I cannot think of any good, new dictators who've come up in recent times.

Here you go.

or did you mean the big brother Kim Jong Ill types?

 

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Originally posted by: neodyn55
Originally posted by: Skoorb
It angers me that the idiots in Washington, DC care more about their respective seats than the unstable economy, high prices, inflation and security.
Me, too.

On topic, though, I wondered when Mushy left that position as head of the military if this would make him too vulnerable. They just don't make dictators like they used to, do they? It's a dying breed. I cannot think of any good, new dictators who've come up in recent times.

Here you go.

or did you mean the big brother Kim Jong Ill types?
Mugabe is fine, but he's too old and has been around the block a few times.
 

m1ldslide1

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Originally posted by: Skoorb
Originally posted by: neodyn55
Originally posted by: Skoorb
It angers me that the idiots in Washington, DC care more about their respective seats than the unstable economy, high prices, inflation and security.
Me, too.

On topic, though, I wondered when Mushy left that position as head of the military if this would make him too vulnerable. They just don't make dictators like they used to, do they? It's a dying breed. I cannot think of any good, new dictators who've come up in recent times.

Here you go.

or did you mean the big brother Kim Jong Ill types?
Mugabe is fine, but he's too old and has been around the block a few times.

Yeah, Mugabe definitely isn't the sexy pick for dictator anymore.
 

The Green Bean

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Originally posted by: Skoorb
It angers me that the idiots in Washington, DC care more about their respective seats than the unstable economy, high prices, inflation and security.
Me, too.

On topic, though, I wondered when Mushy left that position as head of the military if this would make him too vulnerable. They just don't make dictators like they used to, do they? It's a dying breed. I cannot think of any good, new dictators who've come up in recent times.

He still has the backing of the army. It'll be interesting to see who comes out on top. The traitors, Musharraf or the army. Whatever the result we're screwed in the end. People really want a revolution - an Iranian style one. With the way things are that's not the worst that can happen.
 

m1ldslide1

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Originally posted by: The Green Bean
Originally posted by: Skoorb
It angers me that the idiots in Washington, DC care more about their respective seats than the unstable economy, high prices, inflation and security.
Me, too.

On topic, though, I wondered when Mushy left that position as head of the military if this would make him too vulnerable. They just don't make dictators like they used to, do they? It's a dying breed. I cannot think of any good, new dictators who've come up in recent times.

He still has the backing of the army. It'll be interesting to see who comes out on top. The traitors, Musharraf or the army. Whatever the result we're screwed in the end. People really want a revolution - an Iranian style one. With the way things are that's not the worst that can happen.

Isn't that the idea - when things get bad enough, there's always extremism? Very sad.
 

fskimospy

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Kim Jong Il is a good enough dictator to give just about anyone a run for their money. He lives in fabulous wealth while his population starves, he has a huge network of gulags and work-you-till-you-die camps. He's got a pretty rockin' personality cult going on, and he has funny hair.

Now sure he inherited a bunch of this from his father, but he's picked up the mantle of the prophet pretty well I think.
 

The Green Bean

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Originally posted by: m1ldslide1
Originally posted by: The Green Bean
Originally posted by: Skoorb
It angers me that the idiots in Washington, DC care more about their respective seats than the unstable economy, high prices, inflation and security.
Me, too.

On topic, though, I wondered when Mushy left that position as head of the military if this would make him too vulnerable. They just don't make dictators like they used to, do they? It's a dying breed. I cannot think of any good, new dictators who've come up in recent times.

He still has the backing of the army. It'll be interesting to see who comes out on top. The traitors, Musharraf or the army. Whatever the result we're screwed in the end. People really want a revolution - an Iranian style one. With the way things are that's not the worst that can happen.

Isn't that the idea - when things get bad enough, there's always extremism? Very sad.

Iran is less extremist than the USA. How many wars have they started in the last 10 years?
 

tvarad

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Originally posted by: The Green Bean
Iran is less extremist than the USA. How many wars have they started in the last 10 years?

Is it because they know they're going to get their a*ses kicked if they start one?
 
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