Pale Moon switching engines!

[John Connor]

I sure hope this doesn't break my security/privacy addons like Noscript. If that goes I go back to crappy Firefox.

http://forum.palemoon.org/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=8607

 

[Berryracer]

half my addons and some sites don't work already since they went their own path after v24 and broke the browser I used to like the most. This is a disaster just waiting to happen.

 

[WT]

Ughh, great !!! Since updating to v25, I have had numerous issues with websites not working properly - dropdown boxes not opening, etc. This is on both my home and work PC, so it isn't limited to one or the other. In every occasion, I can copy the link and paste it into IE (I think I throw up in my mouth .. just a bit .. when forced to use IE) and damned if it doesn't work just fine.

Not sure if its the update to v25 or the few add-ons that I run in Pale Moon (carryovers from my early Firefox days like Forecastfox and Adblock Latitude) that are causing the issues.

I really started to like Pale Moon over the past year, and I dread having to abandon it to tweak yet another browser to my liking. Chrome can go to hell, along with IE. Unless they support the add-ons I have grown to need, they are not worth my time.

 

[sweenish]

I'm likely to switch to Edge fully when Windows 10 drops. The only thing stopping me from using IE since v10 was extensions.

 

[PliotronX]

I may be wrong, but it seems more like the engine change happened in previous releases and they are just going to change the user-agent to Goanna from Gecko.....? CMIW

 

[Berryracer]

I may be wrong, but it seems more like the engine change happened in previous releases and they are just going to change the user-agent to Goanna from Gecko.....? CMIW

Which is even worse. I cannot count the number of sites that don't work properly, ranging from not being to logon or not displaying stuff properly.

They killed the best FF alternative with the release of Pale Moon 25 trying to to their own path rather than being a Firefox fork and now they will destroy the browser completely.

To me, I like having only one browser that does everything, not having to rely on multiple browsers to view certain pages. That's why I'll stick to Firefox + Classic Themes Restorer + Classic Toolbars Buttons for now

 

[Ketchup]

So.... remind me why alternatives like PM are chosen over Firefox?

I have tried PM and some other alternatives. Found nothing I preferred over FF. And considering I have never had issues like those discussed in this thread, I still see no reason to consider changing.

So what is driving the desire to use a browser like this?

 

[lxskllr]

It's not exactly a new engine. It's a continuation of old gecko's code base.

 

[ninaholic37]

I have tried PM and some other alternatives. Found nothing I preferred over FF. And considering I have never had issues like those discussed in this thread, I still see no reason to consider changing.

So what is driving the desire to use a browser like this?

For me, I started using Pale Moon because it hanged less and was lighter on my Atom netbook, and the forums were very helpful (even for questions and customizations I wanted to know that applied to Firefox as well). That was around Firefox 12 when Mozilla started adding their sneaky background updates:

http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?p=33675867#post33675867

I kept trying Firefox again and was always disappointed about something, until I installed Firefox 24, which finally seemed just as stable and fast as Pale Moon overall. I then used Firefox 24 ESR to avoid Austalis for a while, and finally gave in to the newer versions when they had enough speed optimizations over 24ESR.

 

[blankslate]

Have you taken a look at Cyberfox?

https://8pecxstudios.com/

I used it for a bit after also trying palemoon.

Now I just use FF (with Noscript, classic theme restorer, and some of these about:config options) , Chrome, or rarely IE 11.

If I were to install a niche browser again for regular use I'd probably look at cyberfox first.


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[Berryracer]

Have you taken a look at Cyberfox?

https://8pecxstudios.com/

I used it for a bit after also trying palemoon.

Now I just use FF (with Noscript, classic theme restorer, and some of these about:config options) , Chrome, or rarely IE 11.

If I were to install a niche browser again for regular use I'd probably look at cyberfox first.


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I did, the reason I stopped using it is:

1) it offers nothing more than Firefox. Like with Pale Moon, we got that clean old classic look and no bloatware like FF, but with Cyberfox, it has everything that is in Firefox except yes it is easier to disable OneClick Search and stuff like that, but nothing worthy to note. It is the same old Firefox with a dark theme.

2) Until this date, they don't have a proper update, you have to download a separate tool for it to check for updates, and even then, you still have to let the tool download the new Cyberfox and then update manually by overwriting the old one, very old fashioned way of updating.

3) It has no proper backup/restore tool of the profile

 

[JEDIYoda]

ummm ok@!!@

 

[blankslate]

1) it offers nothing more than Firefox. Like with Pale Moon, we got that clean old classic look and no bloatware like FF, but with Cyberfox, it has everything that is in Firefox except yes it is easier to disable OneClick Search and stuff like that, but nothing worthy to note. It is the same old Firefox with a dark theme.

Does mozilla still maintain a 64-bit version of FF? I've seen comments saying the 64-bit version of Cyberfox is nice for a modern system.


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[.vodka]

https://www.waterfoxproject.org/

Waterfox is a nice 64b alternative to vanilla FF that doesn't stray much from its path. Tried both pale moon and cyberfox these past few months, ended up staying with waterfox. It updates just fine, thankfully.

 

[blankslate]

https://www.waterfoxproject.org/

Waterfox is a nice 64b alternative to vanilla FF that doesn't stray much from its path. Tried both pale moon and cyberfox these past few months, ended up staying with waterfox. It updates just fine, thankfully.

thanks I'll take a look at it.


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[Berryracer]

Does mozilla still maintain a 64-bit version of FF? I've seen comments saying the 64-bit version of Cyberfox is nice for a modern system.


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they do but it's still in BETA.

I don't use x64 browsers because my favorite plugin which is IE TAB which I use a lot doesn't work on Flash Based websites if you had a 64 bit browser so I stick to x86

 

[John Connor]

https://www.waterfoxproject.org/

Waterfox is a nice 64b alternative to vanilla FF that doesn't stray much from its path. Tried both pale moon and cyberfox these past few months, ended up staying with waterfox. It updates just fine, thankfully.

Looks like it's using the same UI crap as FF.

 

[Berryracer]

Looks like it's using the same UI crap as FF.

just like Cyberfox. I don't get it with these FF alternatives, if I were to use one and have headaches in installing addons because its an unsupported browser, at least it should give me a great out of the box user experience that's worth switching like Pale Moon. If they hadn't switched engines since v24 which was compatible with every addon and every site I visited, I wouldn't have left it

 

[TeknoBug]

I used to like Pale Moon but not anymore, back to Chromium (in Linux) and Firefox, I haven't seen the need to use a 64bit browser (although they're 64bit in 64bit Linux distribution), but I do use Waterfox on my low end laptop which seems to run more responsive than Firefox does.

 

[pyjujiop]

So.... remind me why alternatives like PM are chosen over Firefox?

I have tried PM and some other alternatives. Found nothing I preferred over FF. And considering I have never had issues like those discussed in this thread, I still see no reason to consider changing.

So what is driving the desire to use a browser like this?

Personal preference. I use Pale Moon all of the time, because I don't want to use a corporate browser, and Firefox, to me, is just plain awful these days. The new UI looks like a half-baked clone of Chrome and works even worse. Pale Moon isn't perfect, but it's the best alternative.

 

[John Connor]

just like Cyberfox.

Negative. You have an option on install to have the UI or not. For the most part it isn't there. I have Cyberfox installed as well.

 

[Berryracer]

Negative. You have an option on install to have the UI or not. For the most part it isn't there. I have Cyberfox installed as well.

I know I always choose the classic UI by using the Classic Theme Restorer which is built in to Cyberfox, but in order to get that FF 28 and older look, you have to also install the Classic Toolbars Buttons add-on and do a lof of customization to the UI moving things around like the home button to the far most left, getting back the stop and reload icons, moving the new Bookmarks icon and hiding it then bring back the classic one, etc...... there is a lot of work to do it's NOT a classic FF as Pale Moon is.

 

[ninaholic37]

I started again fresh with Pale Moon v25.5.0 for Linux instead of Firefox yesterday. The base files take up only 62MB (Firefox 38 took up around 90MB) and it still has all the same functionality so far, from what I can tell, and seems a little snappier than FF38 on my Dell Latitude D410. Both the extensions I use Stylish and uBlock Origin (occasionally) worked out-of-the-box. I imagine that if they don't work in v26, their forums will eventually have some kind of workaround, maybe. I think that the author (MoonChild) sometimes seems to bad mouth the people/software he gets to use and edit for free a little more than he should ( :awe: ), but I don't see any reason to install the "chrome" Firefox instead again on this machine yet. According to Firefox Addons, it identifies Pale Moon as Firefox 24.9.

Ughh, great !!! Since updating to v25, I have had numerous issues with websites not working properly - dropdown boxes not opening, etc. This is on both my home and work PC, so it isn't limited to one or the other. In every occasion, I can copy the link and paste it into IE (I think I throw up in my mouth .. just a bit .. when forced to use IE) and damned if it doesn't work just fine.

Not sure if its the update to v25 or the few add-ons that I run in Pale Moon (carryovers from my early Firefox days like Forecastfox and Adblock Latitude) that are causing the issues.

I really started to like Pale Moon over the past year, and I dread having to abandon it to tweak yet another browser to my liking. Chrome can go to hell, along with IE. Unless they support the add-ons I have grown to need, they are not worth my time.

I would like to test out the drop-down menus functionality on your problematic pages as well, maybe it just because of Adblock incompatibility with PM or non-Australis Firefox like you mention.