Palestinians Murder 4 Jewish Settlers, Wound 7 -- INCLUDING CHILDREN IN THIER BEDS

[Martin]

Wow.

I guess that month long attack did stop the paletinians after all.

 

[LaBang]

That is simply barbaric. But I must point out that the attack occured in an israeli settlement on palistinian land. It is these settelments that are IMO causing a lot of problems. Within the past 5 years there are probably 50 new settlements that have popped up on palestinian land. Now if that isn't an occupation i don't know what is.

This makes me sad. :frown: Simply fvcking HORRIBLE!

 

[Lucky]

<< That is simply barbaric. But I must point out that the attack occured in an israeli settlement on palistinian land. It is these settelments that are IMO causing a lot of problems. Within the past 5 years there are probably 50 new settlements that have popped up on palestinian land. Now if that isn't an occupation i don't know what is.

This makes me sad. :frown: Simply fvcking HORRIBLE! >>



And I've heard that israel pays its citizens 20K to live in them as well. :disgust:

 

[Texmaster]

<<

<< That is simply barbaric. But I must point out that the attack occured in an israeli settlement on palistinian land. It is these settelments that are IMO causing a lot of problems. Within the past 5 years there are probably 50 new settlements that have popped up on palestinian land. Now if that isn't an occupation i don't know what is.

This makes me sad. :frown: Simply fvcking HORRIBLE! >>



And I've heard that israel pays its citizens 20K to live in them as well. :disgust: >>



So they were asking for it right Lucky, LaBang, and Marty? :disgust:

Anything to justify it right?

 

[Martin]

<< So they were asking for it right Lucky, LaBang, and Marty? :disgust:

Anything to justify it right? >>




you love trying to extrapolate meaning from my words, don't you?



I didn't say it was justified, I merely pointed out how useless Israel's methods are.

 

[Lucky]

So they were asking for it right Lucky, LaBang, and Marty?

Anything to justify it right?




Nice to see you resorting to your old presumptuous ways.

 

[Texmaster]

<< So they were asking for it right Lucky, LaBang, and Marty?

Anything to justify it right?




Nice to see you resorting to your old presumptuous ways.

>>



Hey thats exactly what you did. You gave an excuse for the attack.

 

[Texmaster]

<<

<< So they were asking for it right Lucky, LaBang, and Marty? :disgust:

Anything to justify it right? >>




you love trying to extrapolate meaning from my words, don't you?



I didn't say it was justified, I merely pointed out how useless Israel's methods are. >>



Ok thats true about you, my apologies

I'll get ya next time.

 

[aLi]

Atleast they were able to evacuate the dead and wounded to a hospital in ambulances and choppers. Even Journalsts were allowed in the area to perform their duties.

Too bad I can't say the same for israeli-controlled-palestinian-areas. Israel's lame claim of 'terrorists using ambulances to escape' is a gross excuse to justify the cruelty and further oppress civilians. And you'd probably have to be a blind-patriot, a zionist, or just farking stupid to buy into their excuse for expelling all journalsts in the regions they invaded. "Close Military Zone; Too Dangerous to Report from there; Palestinians might shoot to kill you" That's just all a blatant lie that was easily proved time and time again. Just look at how IDF repeatdly threw stun grenades and EVEN SHOT western reporters.

 

[Lucky]

<<

<< So they were asking for it right Lucky, LaBang, and Marty?

Anything to justify it right?




Nice to see you resorting to your old presumptuous ways.

>>



Hey thats exactly what you did. You gave an excuse for the attack. >>




Wow, you must be going blind in your senility lil buddy. I posted above (in bold, in case your eyes are having a hard time)

No excuse for killing innocents (and especially children), no matter whether here or in the US.


Guess the alzheimer's has gotten the best of you, sorry to hear it. Say hello to Ronald Regan for me, will ya?

 

[Texmaster]

<<

<<

<< So they were asking for it right Lucky, LaBang, and Marty?

Anything to justify it right?




Nice to see you resorting to your old presumptuous ways.

>>



Hey thats exactly what you did. You gave an excuse for the attack. >>




Wow, you must be going blind in your senility lil buddy. I posted above (in bold, in case your eyes are having a hard time)

No excuse for killing innocents (and especially children), no matter whether here or in the US.


Guess the alzheimer's has gotten the best of you, sorry to hear it. Say hello to Ronald Regan for me, will ya? >>




First off, Leave Regan out of this. Making fun of someone with Alzheimer's disease is NOT funny. Make fun of me all you want, but thats like making fun of someone with cancer. :disgust:

And Little buddy is my line, get your own.

This is the excuse you used:

And I've heard that israel pays its citizens 20K to live in them as well.

 

[etech]

aLi

The settlers had not booby trapped the buildings. The Palestinians had booby trapped the buildings.

There were not firefights going on with terrorists at the time. The Israelis could not guarantee the safety of the journalists in Jenin, they could in the settlers camp.

The ambulance would not have been used to bring in more arms and ammo to the terrorists.

Try again.

 

[aLi]

<<

<< So they were asking for it right Lucky, LaBang, and Marty?

Anything to justify it right?




Nice to see you resorting to your old presumptuous ways.

>>



Hey thats exactly what you did. You gave an excuse for the attack. >>




Your ignorance is appaling. I hope it's not by choice.
Just like popular media, you tend to blur the words 'excuse' and 'cause' to mean the same thing. By defintion, they are not the same.

Here's what dictionary.com says:

Excuse:
1. To serve as justification for: Brilliance does not excuse bad manners.
2. To pardon, as a fault; to forgive entirely, or to admit to be little censurable, and to overlook; as, we excuse irregular conduct, when extraordinary circumstances appear to justify it.


Cause:
1. The producer of an effect, result, or consequence.
2. The one, such as a person, event, or condition, that is responsible for an action or result.
3. The interests of a person or group engaged in a struggle: ?The cause of America is in great measure the cause of all mankind? (Thomas Paine).

It seems all you pro-zionists-anti-orthodox-patriots are trying to do is discredit the very idea of terrorists actions being 'caused' by israeli actions, while justifying the same actions, if not worse, when carried out by the Zionist Israeli Army. A Palestinian kills an Israeli, he is a militant, or a terrorist, 'scum', and against peace. The events that caused him to kill an Israeli is NEVER addressed, and any attempt to address it is compared to an atempt to 'justify 9-11' Meanwhile, when an Israeli kills a Palestinian, he has killed a 'militant, terrorist, etc', and is an action of peace. Killings carried out by Israelis are almost ALWAYS 'justified' and/or 'excused' as being 'caused' by the Palestinians.

If this it not bias, then Al-Jazeera is objective.

 

[Lucky]

<<<blah blah blah...This is the excuse you used:
.And I've heard that israel pays its citizens 20K to live in them as well. >>>

Really? Geez, might want to make sure you took your medication because the last time I checked, that wasnt an excuse

Maybe you should visit rush limbaugh as well, perhaps his doctors can help in hearing this again:

No excuse for killing innocents (and especially children), no matter whether here or in the US.

 

[aLi]

<< aLi

The settlers had not booby trapped the buildings. The Palestinians had booby trapped the buildings.

There were not firefights going on with terrorists at the time. The Israelis could not guarantee the safety of the journalists in Jenin, they could in the settlers camp.

The ambulance would not have been used to bring in more arms and ammo to the terrorists.

Try again. >>



As Textmaster would say:

" So they were asking for it right? Anything to justify it right? "

 

[Texmaster]

<<

<< aLi

The settlers had not booby trapped the buildings. The Palestinians had booby trapped the buildings.

There were not firefights going on with terrorists at the time. The Israelis could not guarantee the safety of the journalists in Jenin, they could in the settlers camp.

The ambulance would not have been used to bring in more arms and ammo to the terrorists.

Try again. >>



As Textmaster would say:

" So they were asking for it right? Anything to justify it right? " >>



How is it justification by stating the facts?

The Israelis are NOT doing into homes at night and murdering children. Thats Palestinians.

What a failed attempt at an arguement.

The justification for the incrusion is 2 weeks of ZERO response by the Israelis and the Palestinian response of daily sucide bombings targeting civlians.

Nothing you can say or spin will change that.

 

[etech]

It seems all you pro-zionists-anti-orthodox-patriots are trying to do is discredit the very idea of terrorists actions being 'caused' by israeli actions, while justifying the same actions, if not worse, when carried out by the Zionist Israeli Army. A Palestinian kills an Israeli, he is a militant, or a terrorist, 'scum', and against peace. The events that caused him to kill an Israeli is NEVER addressed, and any attempt to address it is compared to an atempt to 'justify 9-11' Meanwhile, when an Israeli kills a Palestinian, he has killed a 'militant, terrorist, etc', and is an action of peace. Killings carried out by Israelis are almost ALWAYS 'justified' and/or 'excused' as being 'caused' by the Palestinians.


Let's see, would the Israelis be going into the Palestinian camps if the terrorist planning the sucide missions weren't hiding in them amoung the civilians like cowards.

Explain to me just how the Palestinian "freedom fighters"

are bringing peace to the region by blowing up themselves and women and children in Israel.

 

[Zebo]

And finally, while any death from an accident sucks, more kids drown in five gallon buckets each year than from unintentional shootings.

I guess we need to put Rubbermaid out of business then

 

[Amused]

<< Atleast they were able to evacuate the dead and wounded to a hospital in ambulances and choppers. Even Journalsts were allowed in the area to perform their duties.

Too bad I can't say the same for israeli-controlled-palestinian-areas. Israel's lame claim of 'terrorists using ambulances to escape' is a gross excuse to justify the cruelty and further oppress civilians. And you'd probably have to be a blind-patriot, a zionist, or just farking stupid to buy into their excuse for expelling all journalsts in the regions they invaded. "Close Military Zone; Too Dangerous to Report from there; Palestinians might shoot to kill you" That's just all a blatant lie that was easily proved time and time again. Just look at how IDF repeatdly threw stun grenades and EVEN SHOT western reporters. >>



1. Arab ambulances have been used more than just for transporting terrorists, they have been used as rolling suicide bombs. The Israelis are more than justified in keeping them out of the war zones and away from any Israeli soldiers and citizens. In this, the Arabs have made their bed, and now must lie in it.

2. No Western reporters were shot. Their ARMORED VEHICLE had a couple of RUBBER BULLETS pinged off of it after repeatedly ignoring orders not to enter the area of a fire fight. War zones aren't pretty. Don't expect the red carpet treatment when you don't follow instructions.

3. The Israelis were allowed to evacuate their wounded not only because they militarily controlled the area, but because they do NOT use their ambulances as rolling bombs and military transports. The Israelis have not tainted to symbol of the Red Cross or Star of David on their ambulances with violence. That honor belongs solely to the Arabs.

4. These were outright terrorists who plainly targeted SLEEPING CIVILIAN FAMILIES --INCLUDING CHILDREN-- IN THEIR BEDS. How you can even attempt to deflect blame or claim they had any just cause or valid excuse is beyond me.

 

[DigDug]

Here's an answer to all those who are crying about how depraved and evil those suicide bombers are. This answer comes from another thread where your fellow anandtech members have justified the attack upon Japan in WWII:


"War is hell. The point is to kill the other guy. Keep that in mind "

"so we have to stop them by stopping them, by any mean nescessary"

"The bombing of Japan was an atrocity, but very well may have been a necessary one."

"No, I don't think so. They had to be hit where it hurt, thier own people and industry. "

There you go. Have a nice day.

 

[Texmaster]

<< <<<blah blah blah...This is the excuse you used:
.And I've heard that israel pays its citizens 20K to live in them as well. >>>



<< Really? Geez, might want to make sure you took your medication because the last time I checked, that wasnt an excuse

>>



You can try and spin it now but that was your response to someone else making an excuse for the muderers.

Digging back in a thread for a general quote wont change what you said in raction to.



<< Maybe you should visit rush limbaugh as well, perhaps his doctors can help in hearing this again:

No excuse for killing innocents (and especially children), no matter whether here or in the US.


>>



boy you really like going after people with disabilities don't you? I thought liberals were the tolerant ones

Once again, dragging up some tired general statement and think it blankets the inital response to the subject wont change it.

 

[aLi]

<<
The settlers had not booby trapped the buildings. The Palestinians had booby trapped the buildings.
>>



It's THEIR Building. The soldiers shouldn't be bull-dozing it in the first place. Would it be justified if Palestinians somehow got a bull-dozer and leveled your home because you 'booby trapped' it?



<<
There were not firefights going on with terrorists at the time. The Israelis could not guarantee the safety of the journalists in Jenin, they could in the settlers camp. >>



Nice 'excuse', but it's lame. Couldn't guarantee their safety? That's politically correct bull-shit. The IDF were SHOOTING the reporters.
So who are they trying to protect them from -- Themselves?



<<
The ambulance would not have been used to bring in more arms and ammo to the terrorists.
>>



Neither would have it been in the areas under military occupation. Nice try to justify a crime against humanity.



<< Try again. >>



Likewise.

 

[Amused]

<< Here's an answer to all those who are crying about how depraved and evil those suicide bombers are. This answer comes from another thread where your fellow anandtech members have justified the attack upon Japan in WWII:


<EM>"War is hell. The point is to kill the other guy. Keep that in mind "

"so we have to stop them by stopping them, by any mean nescessary"

"The bombing of Japan was an atrocity, but very well may have been a necessary one."

"No, I don't think so. They had to be hit where it hurt, thier own people and industry. "

<EM>There you go. Have a nice day. >>



No comparison whatsoever.

 

[aLi]

<< It seems all you pro-zionists-anti-orthodox-patriots are trying to do is discredit the very idea of terrorists actions being 'caused' by israeli actions, while justifying the same actions, if not worse, when carried out by the Zionist Israeli Army. A Palestinian kills an Israeli, he is a militant, or a terrorist, 'scum', and against peace. The events that caused him to kill an Israeli is NEVER addressed, and any attempt to address it is compared to an atempt to 'justify 9-11' Meanwhile, when an Israeli kills a Palestinian, he has killed a 'militant, terrorist, etc', and is an action of peace. Killings carried out by Israelis are almost ALWAYS 'justified' and/or 'excused' as being 'caused' by the Palestinians.


Let's see, would the Israelis be going into the Palestinian camps if the terrorist planning the sucide missions weren't hiding in them amoung the civilians like cowards.

Explain to me just how the Palestinian "freedom fighters"

are bringing peace to the region by blowing up themselves and women and children in Israel. >>




There wouldn't be any terrorists theres if Israel wasn't busy giving them reasons to exist.

 

[Lucky]

boy you really like going after people with disabilities don't you? I thought liberals were the tolerant ones

Once again, dragging up some tired general statement and think it blankets the inital response to the subject wont change it.


And once again Tex refuses to admit he's wrong! <clap clap clap!> I knew he'd do it again someday.

Hey lil' buddy, how bout next time just admit you stretched what I said, instead of trying to cover your ass by claiming a specific condemnation of violence against innocents is some "tired general statement". Maybe then you'd have a bit more credibility.

BTW (as I can see you are still blind), that specific condemnation of violence against innocents of mine came BEFORE I commented on Israel's policy of paying family's to live in settlements. Not before, as you attempt to claim by saying " think it blankets the inital response ".

Just cant admit when you are wrong can ya?