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Sonikku

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So America doesn't get exposed as not having a squeaky clean record when it comes to finance? :hmm:
 

Miramonti

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Why won't they release the full thing?

WikiLeaks has been criticizing the management of the 2,4 terabytes of the so-called Panama Papers. The organization is particularly talking aim at the Washington-based International Consortium of Investigative Journalists (ICIJ).

WikiLeaks would like to see all the documents known as the “Panama papers” cache online for everyone to see and search; the ICIJ wants to what its Director has called “responsible journalism.”

In a Tweet, WikiLeaks speaks about “censorship” of 99% of the documents and is calling for full disclosure.

ICIJ’s Director, Gerard Ryle, told US magazine “Wired” that he would not like to expose sensitive information of private individuals, arguing that “we’re trying to show that journalism can be done responsibly.” Ryle argues that there are “innocent private people” that should not be exposed and that it is not about going crazy but revealing what is “in the public interest.”

Speaking to RT, WikiLeaks spokesman, Kristinn Hrafnsson, made clear he disagreed with ICIJ’s. The main aim is taken against ICIJ’s slower than justified revelation of 441 US-based clients. Hrafnsson notes there is a difference between stalling a release and selective release.

WikiLeaks points the fingers towards ICIJ funders with the implicit question being if they are implicated in any way. The explicit question is who decides what is in the public interest and on what criteria. Sensitive information on “innocent people” may a different context be considered leverage against individuals, which is problematic. And it provides “market share” expansion opportunity to competing firms in the offshore business of the famous Mossack Fonseca firm.
https://neurope.eu/article/panama-papers-wikileaks-calls-full-rather-selective-disclosure/
 
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gotsmack

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Where did the ICIJ get the data from and why can't wiki leaks get the information from that source?

If I had thar data I'd release it on BT all in 1 go.
 

Miramonti

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Where did the ICIJ get the data from and why can't wiki leaks get the information from that source?

If I had thar data I'd release it on BT all in 1 go.

Wikileaks apparently has the whole trove (obtained recently or from all along) but was letting the ICIJ manage the dissemination. However since the ICIJ is being a bunch of douchebags with something to hide, and not releasing most of it, wikileaks appears to be threatening to do this soon.

As for where it came from, Fonseca says they were hacked, but there hasn't been any supported confirmation of this.
 

Miramonti

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Speaking to RT, WikiLeaks spokesman, Kristinn Hrafnsson, made clear he disagreed with ICIJ’s. The main aim is taken against ICIJ’s slower than justified revelation of 441 US-based clients. Hrafnsson notes there is a difference between stalling a release and selective release.
from quote above
 

Linux23

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Some one needs to hack Bermuda and the Cayman islands. You'd find a shit load of Americans there.

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Some one needs to hack Bermuda and the Cayman islands. You'd find a shit load of Americans there.

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This, seems like the US guys were lucky not to have much involvement. I read there were around 200 US Citizens in this leak.
 

Jhhnn

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The ICIJ is too big for Wikileaks' conspiracy theory bullshit.

It's not illegal to have offshore corporations & accounts, not even for Americans. What's illegal is not divulging their existence & income to the IRS. Just because a person has offshore lawyers & accounts doesn't mean they're breaking the law.

Tax avoidance grading into tax evasion is sport for the world's financial elite. It's not like they need the money. They're just greedy.

Offshore anonymous entities can be exploited for other purposes as well, like insider trading & financial bug out bags for despots & charlatans.

This is just a pinhole view into the reality of international finance & banking. Mossack fonseca is just one of hundreds of firms catering to the desires of the financial elite in dozens of banking havens around the world. Hell- such arrangements don't even need to be hidden to be profitable-

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Double_Irish_arrangement#Dutch_sandwich

The only people who've done much at all to curb the excesses has been the Obama Admin. Using the tools Congress allows, it's kinda like trying to kill the Hydra with a salad fork.
 

Fern

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The only people who've done much at all to curb the excesses has been the Obama Admin. Using the tools Congress allows, it's kinda like trying to kill the Hydra with a salad fork.

Not really, efforts to curb secret offshore accounts go to the Clinton admin where it was beginning to be understood as a larger problem than previously known. The Bush admin had some success convincing other countries that we needed treaties/agreements to exchange info and, IIRC, they began the cases against the big Swiss banks. The Obama admin has built on this with more agreements among the G20 etc.

The notable exception was the work of Hillary while in the Obama admin. See what a $600 million annual contribution to the Clinton Foundation buys you"

Hillary Clinton, having been sworn in as Secretary of State in January, traveled to Geneva to meet with the Swiss Foreign Minister to discuss the IRS suit. Within a few months, Clinton had arranged a tentative settlement in which the Swiss Financial Market Supervisory Authority (FINMA) would reveal information on 4,450 of the 52,000 accounts sought by the IRS, preserving the anonymity of more than 90 percent of the United States customers of UBS's cross-border business.[25][26]

Meanwhile, UBS provided generous support of the Clinton Foundation, whose contributions from UBS grew from less than $60,000 through 2008, to a cumulative total of around $600,000 through 2014; and supported a Foundation program with loans totaling $32 million. UBS also paid former President Bill Clinton $1.5 million to participate in a series of question-and-answer sessions with UBS executives.[25][27]

On August 12, 2009, UBS announced a settlement deal that ended its litigation with the IRS.[28] U.S. Senator Carl Levin (D-MI), who conducted Senate hearings into the UBS tax evasion scandal, described the settlement agreement (known as the "Annex") "disappointing."

[T]he tortured wording and the many limitations in this Annex shows the Swiss Government trying to preserve as much bank secrecy as it can for the future, while pushing to conceal the names of tens of thousands of suspected U.S. tax cheats. It is disappointing that the U.S. government went along.[29]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UBS_tax_evasion_controversy

Fern
 

alcoholbob

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I dont think wikileaks should be lecturing anyone on withholding documents when Julian Assange publically states they are withholding 2700 documents on Israel because it might be too sensitive for the Jewish community in the United States (in other words, AIPAC).
 

swamplizard

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Greetings,

The real robbers won't show up in these documents, they are ultra-wealthy and normally represent "old wealth." They control much more than they are technical owners.
 

TheSlamma

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What a bullshit headline. The panama papers have revealed absolutely nothing about the relationship between the Podesta Group & Sberbank. That's always been a matter of public record as the article points out.

It's a hatchet job.
Here comes the Hillary apologist, how much money do you make for each apology you make for her? If it's even just 10 cents you must be a millionaire.
 

norseamd

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What a bullshit headline. The panama papers have revealed absolutely nothing about the relationship between the Podesta Group & Sberbank. That's always been a matter of public record as the article points out.

It's a hatchet job.

Interesting, thankyou. The area where I got it meant that I was not so sure of the credibility, but I figured it would be worth posting, since if it was in the documents, then the connections would be worthwhile on their own.
 

Jhhnn

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Here comes the Hillary apologist, how much money do you make for each apology you make for her? If it's even just 10 cents you must be a millionaire.

Perhaps you can explain exactly what the Panama papers have to do with Podesta or Clinton? Where have either been mentioned at all?

Have at it.
 

TheSlamma

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Perhaps you can explain exactly what the Panama papers have to do with Podesta or Clinton? Where have either been mentioned at all?

Have at it.
Like when I called out shit appointments of Obama and instead of an actual retort it was just a call out for bullshit with zero substance?

I'll just take your route and just make claims that you are wrong and that is good enough just because. The Buffhhhnnnn tactic.

Since you probably can't remember since your mind is like a box of rocks. http://forums.anandtech.com/showpost.php?p=38149197&postcount=281
 
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Jhhnn

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Like when I called out shit appointments of Obama and instead of an actual retort it was just a call out for bullshit with zero substance?

It was scattershot bullshit with zero substance or supporting evidence. Deal with it. Don't make claims you're not prepared to back up.

I'll just take your route and just make claims that you are wrong and that is good enough just because. The Buffhhhnnnn tactic.

So there's no link between the Panama papers & Clinton as the headline alleges?
 

TheSlamma

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It was scattershot bullshit with zero substance or supporting evidence. Deal with it. Don't make claims you're not prepared to back up.



So there's no link between the Panama papers & Clinton as the headline alleges?
See, I knew your short term memory would fail as usual, read my edit.

If you want to see scattershot bullshit, you have made over 28,000 posts of it.


Podesta Group is another one of her many slimebag supporters. Almost all of her backers are slimebags, it's just proof of yet another one, do we see these bundlers supporting Sanders? nope and we probably know why.

I want what is worst for groups like Podesta. You want what is best for Wallstreet and Podesta.
 
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Jhhnn

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See, I knew your short term memory would fail as usual, read my edit.

If you want to see scattershot bullshit, you have made over 28,000 posts of it.


Podesta Group is another one of her many slimebag supporters. Almost all of her backers are slimebags, it's just proof of yet another one, do we see these bundlers supporting Sanders? nope and we probably know why.

I want what is worst for groups like Podesta. You want what is best for Wallstreet and Podesta.

Sooo.. still no link between Clinton & the Panama papers as the headline claims. Understood.

Archuleta was the Fall Girl wrt the data breach. Lynch's position on forfeiture is exactly what one would expect from any AG, sad to say. You failed to define your objections to any of the other nominees. Well, other than the fact that the uppity Kenyan usurper made them.
 
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