Panasonic 42in EDTV Plasma $2029

[Venomous]

I own both, do you? I think i can tell the difference between PQ and which is a better bang for the buck. EDTV walks all over HDTV.

 

[Falloutboy]

Originally posted by: Venomous
I own both, do you? I think i can tell the difference between PQ and which is a better bang for the buck. EDTV walks all over HDTV.

well true thier are no good affordable HDtv plasmas but once you get into the 10K plus area HDTV plasmas look awsome.

 

[thenotebook]

Originally posted by: PCHPlayer

Originally posted by: wumpuskiller

Originally posted by: thenotebook
$2029 is a lot of money for a tv just to watch reruns of Seinfeld on tv. Why not just get a rear-projection tv for a lot less $$$$$?

Rear projection sets look like sh$t.....and take up WAY too much space.

Get a clue about about television displays, will ya......or don't trolls bother with those details?

What do you mean rear projections look like sh$t? Have you seen the latest DLP sets from Samsung or Mitsubishi? My 62" DLP set is only 20" deep and sits very tightly into a corner, so I don't get the space issue either.
Perhaps you need to get a clue about displays.

LOL Tell 'im PCHPlayer!

 

[wumpuskiller]

Originally posted by: thenotebook

Originally posted by: PCHPlayer

Originally posted by: wumpuskiller

Originally posted by: thenotebook
$2029 is a lot of money for a tv just to watch reruns of Seinfeld on tv. Why not just get a rear-projection tv for a lot less $$$$$?

Rear projection sets look like sh$t.....and take up WAY too much space.

Get a clue about about television displays, will ya......or don't trolls bother with those details?

What do you mean rear projections look like sh$t? Have you seen the latest DLP sets from Samsung or Mitsubishi? My 62" DLP set is only 20" deep and sits very tightly into a corner, so I don't get the space issue either.
Perhaps you need to get a clue about displays.

LOL Tell 'im PCHPlayer!

PCHPlayer -- do you REALLY think "notebook" was talking about DLP?? I'm afraid not.....neither of you can justify his "get a rear-projection set for a lot less $$$$" comment if you are talking about DLP. When people say DLP they mean DLP -- they don't say 'rear projection' by itself. To only say 'rear projection' and say that you can save $$$$ over EDTV means that "notebook" was talking about old technology rear-projection and NOT DLP. And the old technology rear projections DO look like sh%t and they DO take up way too much space.

But, if you can point me to a DLP dealer that'll save me lots of $$$$ over an EDTV, then please point the way. Everyone here would love to check out that dealer.

Notebook -- pls go back to your homework and don't forget to ask your mother for tomorrow's lunch money.

 

[thenotebook]

Originally posted by: wumpuskiller
Notebook -- pls go back to your homework and don't forget to ask your mother for tomorrow's lunch money.

Are you sure you're not the one going to high school? Because that comment sure sounds like something a little teenager would say.

 

[wumpuskiller]

Originally posted by: thenotebook

Originally posted by: wumpuskiller
Notebook -- pls go back to your homework and don't forget to ask your mother for tomorrow's lunch money.

Are you sure you're not the one going to high school? Because that comment sure sounds like something a little teenager would say.

Try using something a little original, huh, kid? I see you check the web before catching the school bus int he morning.

 

[RobsTV]

Originally posted by: Venomous
I own both, do you? I think i can tell the difference between PQ and which is a better bang for the buck. EDTV walks all over HDTV.

I do own both.
You've got to be kidding me.?.?.?.
All HDTV's also do EDTV!!!!!!!!!!

Match up the output with the input, and you will see no comparsion. HDTV kills EDTV.
Last year Fox NFL football was only available in crappy EDTV.
It was with great joy when Monday Night Football would come around, and we could see football as it should be seen, in HDTV.

This year Fox did Nascar the same way. Most broadcasts were crappy EDTV.
Sure, it gave you 16:9. And?
But when they did the rare race in HDTV, anyone could see instantly how much better it was.

Now of course if you are watching TV with a 30" screen, you may not notice much difference.
But with huge HDTV displays now common, (like my 96"), if you can't see a HUGE MAJOR improvement going from EDTV to HDTV, you are blind.

EDTV PQ is just like a DVD. No big deal.
HDTV is like being there, and is a big deal!

The artical linked to above is indeed very outdated, but they were smart enough to know this, and have since updated their story:
http://www.projectorcentral.com/hdtv_edtv.htm

"Therefore, you now have two reasons to get rid of the old television and step into the new world of high definition video. The first is broadcast HDTV, and the second is the excellent quality of DVD movies and other materials that can be viewed in EDTV. You get it all with the new digital televisions and digital projectors on the market today." and also in reference to EDTV " If you never cared a lick about HDTV but you like to see DVD movies and music videos at their best,...."

Even the above is outdated in this fast moving field. Now, cable and sat are giving away free HDTV boxes to customers, and soon to be popular HDTV PVR boxes. You are not tied to broadcast HDTV any longer. Even PPV movies are now available in HDTV, and look amazing compared to normal PPV flicks.

If you buy an EDTV now, you are practically throwing your money away.
Sure, it is good for DVD's, but that's it.
For cable, sat, or broadcast TV, and soon HD DVD's, HDTV is mandatory.
Might as well buy a VHS VCR.
I remember when PC VGA cards first appeared, and some "experts" were stating, "VGA. who needs it when EGA will do just as good, and EGA is where it's at" (Computer Shopper). 6 months later, the suckers that took that advice were crying the blues, as everything was geared toward VGA not EGA.

EDTV is the hot seller this Christmas, and I get asked all the time which one to get.
Same answer every time. None! Do not waste your money on EDTV. It is outdated. HDTV is now.
If you need cheap, go DLP.
Heck even if you have ton's of cash DLP still has it's advantages over most other methods.
You can get into HDTV now for under $750.

I think everyone knew this already, because it wasn't mentioned, but just in case:
You can NOT watch HDTV programming with an EDTV in anything other than SDTV.
EDTV will not down convert the HDTV to EDTV. Most EDTV's will convert SDTV to EDTV's 16:9 format.
You can however watch EDTV programming with any HDTV.
Therefore, the only way some of the above posters like the EDTV over the HDTV was when they were both doing EDTV, such as when playing a DVD. It was not a comparison of EDTV Vs HDTV, but EDTV on an EDTV Vs. EDTV on an HDTV.

 

[wumpuskiller]

RobTV,

Fox's broadcasts last year were in what THEY called widescreen. They broadcast an SD image (standard definition resolution) in a 16:9 format. You are right, this CLEARLY looks inferior to HDTV. BUT, it is also CLEARLY inferior to watching an HDTV signal on a quality EDTV display like the Panny. The Panny EDTV displays are truly amazing. They do a superior job of down-rezzing HDTV content and displaying an exceptional image.

Some of the posters DID say they were comparing the same HDTV broadcasts side-by-side on both EDTV (quality Panasonic unit) and an HDTV display. I've done the same comparison, even adjusting both sets to good settings (I didn't have a setup DVD for proper config). Most sets in stores are setup way too bright and look very glary. If you get up close, say within 3-4 feet, then yes, HDTV is clearly offering more detail than an EDTV display (EDTVs are notorious for their 'screeen door' effect). Depending on where you plan to sit and watch your display, the images will be indistinguishable (for most people) starting at an 8-10 foot distance.

So, if your seating area is up-close, you will certainly be disappointed by an EDTV display. But if your seating is 8-10 feet or greater, then EDTV IS a better VALUE than HDTV. But each buyer needs to see these displays, do a comparison, and make a purchase based on what THEIR EYES see, their viewing habits, and what their WALLETS can handle.

A good source of information on EDTV/HDTV displays can be found at www.avsforum.com in the appropriate forum.

 

[thenotebook]

Originally posted by: wumpuskiller

Originally posted by: thenotebook

Originally posted by: wumpuskiller
Notebook -- pls go back to your homework and don't forget to ask your mother for tomorrow's lunch money.

Are you sure you're not the one going to high school? Because that comment sure sounds like something a little teenager would say.

Try using something a little original, huh, kid? I see you check the web before catching the school bus int he morning.

According to your logic, I shouldn't be able to write this message since I am "supposed" to be in school. Grow up.

 

[kki000]

Originally posted by: wumpuskiller
RobTV,
If you get up close, say within 3-4 feet, then yes, HDTV is clearly offering more detail than an EDTV display (EDTVs are notorious for their 'screeen door' effect). Depending on where you plan to sit and watch your display, the images will be indistinguishable (for most people) starting at an 8-10 foot distance.

So, if your seating area is up-close, you will certainly be disappointed by an EDTV display. But if your seating is 8-10 feet or greater, then EDTV IS a better VALUE than HDTV. But each buyer needs to see these displays, do a comparison, and make a purchase based on what THEIR EYES see, their viewing habits, and what their WALLETS can handle.

A good source of information on EDTV/HDTV displays can be found at www.avsforum.com in the appropriate forum.

This is right on the money. The key factor between hd and ed in 42in plasma sets is viewing distance. With hd 42in plasmas, which isnt real hd anyway since most max out at 1024 vertical pixels, you are going to get much finer detail on hd material. But since the panel is small anyway, you lose that detail the further away you are from the set, say 7+ft. If you will be that far away, you will be throwing your money away on the "hd" plasma panel in 42 in.
Honestly, in the 42in size the ed res sets are fine. If i were gonna get an hd set, bump up to 50, the 42in hd set doesnt do real hidef justice since its so small.
just my 2 cents.

Oh btw, the panny plasmas kick much ass. Id rather have this 42in ed set with deep blacks and awesome contrast to some no name 1024x768 hd 42in panel.

K

 

[jasonja]

Originally posted by: RobsTV

Originally posted by: Venomous
I own both, do you? I think i can tell the difference between PQ and which is a better bang for the buck. EDTV walks all over HDTV.

I do own both.
You've got to be kidding me.?.?.?.
All HDTV's also do EDTV!!!!!!!!!!

Match up the output with the input, and you will see no comparsion. HDTV kills EDTV.
Last year Fox NFL football was only available in crappy EDTV.
It was with great joy when Monday Night Football would come around, and we could see football as it should be seen, in HDTV.

This year Fox did Nascar the same way. Most broadcasts were crappy EDTV.
Sure, it gave you 16:9. And?
But when they did the rare race in HDTV, anyone could see instantly how much better it was.

Now of course if you are watching TV with a 30" screen, you may not notice much difference.
But with huge HDTV displays now common, (like my 96"), if you can't see a HUGE MAJOR improvement going from EDTV to HDTV, you are blind.

EDTV PQ is just like a DVD. No big deal.
HDTV is like being there, and is a big deal!

The artical linked to above is indeed very outdated, but they were smart enough to know this, and have since updated their story:
http://www.projectorcentral.com/hdtv_edtv.htm

"Therefore, you now have two reasons to get rid of the old television and step into the new world of high definition video. The first is broadcast HDTV, and the second is the excellent quality of DVD movies and other materials that can be viewed in EDTV. You get it all with the new digital televisions and digital projectors on the market today." and also in reference to EDTV " If you never cared a lick about HDTV but you like to see DVD movies and music videos at their best,...."

Even the above is outdated in this fast moving field. Now, cable and sat are giving away free HDTV boxes to customers, and soon to be popular HDTV PVR boxes. You are not tied to broadcast HDTV any longer. Even PPV movies are now available in HDTV, and look amazing compared to normal PPV flicks.

If you buy an EDTV now, you are practically throwing your money away.
Sure, it is good for DVD's, but that's it.
For cable, sat, or broadcast TV, and soon HD DVD's, HDTV is mandatory.
Might as well buy a VHS VCR.
I remember when PC VGA cards first appeared, and some "experts" were stating, "VGA. who needs it when EGA will do just as good, and EGA is where it's at" (Computer Shopper). 6 months later, the suckers that took that advice were crying the blues, as everything was geared toward VGA not EGA.

EDTV is the hot seller this Christmas, and I get asked all the time which one to get.
Same answer every time. None! Do not waste your money on EDTV. It is outdated. HDTV is now.
If you need cheap, go DLP.
Heck even if you have ton's of cash DLP still has it's advantages over most other methods.
You can get into HDTV now for under $750.

I think everyone knew this already, because it wasn't mentioned, but just in case:
You can NOT watch HDTV programming with an EDTV in anything other than SDTV.
EDTV will not down convert the HDTV to EDTV. Most EDTV's will convert SDTV to EDTV's 16:9 format.
You can however watch EDTV programming with any HDTV.
Therefore, the only way some of the above posters like the EDTV over the HDTV was when they were both doing EDTV, such as when playing a DVD. It was not a comparison of EDTV Vs HDTV, but EDTV on an EDTV Vs. EDTV on an HDTV.

This is the classic example of a HDTV snob. First off, EDTV is BETTER than DVD quality. It has more horizontal resolution and anything I watch on 1080i programming HDNet looks far superior the best DVD movie I've ever seen on the same Plasma. When you make blanket statements that HDTV is better than EDTV I think you need to specify brands. Sure I'd rather have a 7UY HDTV Panasonic Plasma over the 7UY EDTV Panasonic if all the money was the same, but I'd much rather have my Panasonic 7UY EDTV plasma over some no name HDTV plasma or even a Samsung HDTV plasma. The number of pixels doesn't tell the whole story.

"You can NOT watch HDTV programming with an EDTV in anything other than SDTV."

What? That's BS... it downscales the HDTV to EDTV. The native format is 853x480. SD is not wide screen and is interlaced. Big difference. If your logic were true then HDTV would look no better on my set than the digital SD signals and that's BS. Anybody watching could clearly see a difference when the networks "throw the HD switch" at primetime. You must own the most pathetic EDTV plasma on the planet to make such obviously ignorant statements.

Then of course I could say that regular SD TV and DVD's looks better on a EDTV because it doesn't require as much stretching. Sure real HDTV signal may look slightly better than on EDTV but at the 10 feet I can't tell the difference. In my opinion if I were to follow your logic and pay 2x the price for the equivalent branded HDTV plasma for improvement that I can't see, only then would I be throwing away my money.

Your VGA and EGA example doesn't hold here... EGA and VGA were not only different resolutions but also a color depth difference ( a HUGE color difference). An EGA monitor also could not take a VGA signal. A better comparison would be that EDTV is a 800x600 monitor while a HDTV is a 1024x768 monitor. Obviously a 800x600 monitor is still a useful thing today.

Go cheap Go DLP? Some people see rainbows and may think the blacks on DLPs suck ass (I do). I like the PQ of plasma, I like it's sleek shape and it fits into my furniture cabinet, no DLP could do that. Suggesting to someone to buy some crap ass Akai RP HDTV for $750 is better than buying a nice EDTV plasma is just stupid. Again, resolution doesn't tell the whole story, and your advice doesn't either.

 

[JSt0rm]

I just want to say that we have about 7 of the early pannny plasma models (cant recall the exact model) at my work that have been running about 16 hours a day since may 02'. I've been watching them closely but they don't seem to be going bad. This monitors lifespan is 2x that ones so it should be great for a long time to come.

 

[MoboMojo]

Originally posted by: thenotebook
According to your logic, I shouldn't be able to write this message since I am "supposed" to be in school. Grow up.

Looks like you have study hall or early lunch break and can access a PC :disgust:

Give it a rest, notebook.

 

[GreenMonkey]

If you get up close, say within 3-4 feet, then yes, HDTV is clearly offering more detail than an EDTV display (EDTVs are notorious for their 'screeen door' effect). Depending on where you plan to sit and watch your display, the images will be indistinguishable (for most people) starting at an 8-10 foot distance.

So, if your seating area is up-close, you will certainly be disappointed by an EDTV display. But if your seating is 8-10 feet or greater, then EDTV IS a better VALUE than HDTV. But each buyer needs to see these displays, do a comparison, and make a purchase based on what THEIR EYES see, their viewing habits, and what their WALLETS can handle.

A good source of information on EDTV/HDTV displays can be found at www.avsforum.com in the appropriate forum.

Right on the money. An AVSforum plasma forum reader, I see. Indeed, beyond a certain viewing distance the extra pixels do little good for most people (some eagle eyed folks can tell the difference).

I've got a DLP projector myself due to budgetary constraints, and wouldn't ever want to give it up. But my secondary display at some point will be one of these ED plasmas (my original display was going to be the Panny 42" ED). I'll take the superior black levels and black level detail over resolution. That's exactly why I am running a 480p DLP projector rather than a 720p LCD projector.

If you do a little research in the projector forums you will see that many HT folks choose 480p DLP over 720p LCD for this very reason, and many folks choose QUALITY ED plasma over HD DLP for the same reason.


There's more to an image than resolution.

 

[duuuma]

just go read AVSforums, i think everyone raves about this screen...

this is a great price since shipping is so cheap. i was considering this guy from plasma concepts but shipping is $200~

good find OP

 

[Thoreau]

Originally posted by: wumpuskiller
But, if you can point me to a DLP dealer that'll save me lots of $$$$ over an EDTV, then please point the way. Everyone here would love to check out that dealer.

Notebook -- pls go back to your homework and don't forget to ask your mother for tomorrow's lunch money.

I just bought a 44 inch DLP HDTV for $2000. Similarly, a 42 inch Panasonic EDTV (Plasma) was going for nearly $500 more at the same store and other stores when I was comparison shopping.

Edit: The EDTV I'm referring to is NOT the same one mentioned at the beginning of this thread...