Pandemic Flu Thread:3-11-07 Bird Flu deaths increasing

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JEDIYoda

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Originally posted by: dmcowen674
This has to be God's work, right?

Why would Bush and the Republicans develop a plan that goes against God's wishes???

Many have said the Hurricanes down here was a way God used to cleanse the sin and decadence out.

Well all the recent population control hasn't been enough so get ready for 2 million Americans to be killed:

10-8-2005 U.S. Developing Plan for Flu Pandemic

WASHINGTON - A super-flu could kill up to 1.9 million Americans, according to a draft of the government's plan to fight a worldwide epidemic.

Officials are rewriting that plan to designate not just who cares for the sick but who will keep the country running amid the chaos, said an influenza specialist who is advising the government on those decisions.

"How do you provide food, water ... basic security for the population?" asked Michael Osterholm of the University of Minnesota, a government adviser who has a copy of the draft plan and described it for The Associated Press.

"This is a much more comprehensive view than has previously been detailed," he said in an interview Saturday.

The Bush administration has spent the last year updating its plan for how to fight the next flu pandemic. While it is impossible to say when one will strike, the fear is that the bird flu in Asia could trigger one if it mutates to start spreading easily among people.

If the next pandemic resembles the birdlike 1918 Spanish flu, as many as 1.9 million could die, Osterholm said. Millions more would be ill, overwhelming hospitals.

The government has on hand enough of the anti-flu drug Tamiflu to treat 4.3 million people. Manufacturing of $100 million worth of a bird flu vaccine just began.

Also being considered is the possibility that Tamiflu will not be powerful enough to treat someone already sick, but could protect against illness if given beforehand.

So who would get the 4.3 million doses?

Health and Human Services Secretary Mike Leavitt recently met with Cabinet secretaries to get other federal agencies to determine their role in stemming rioting at vaccine clinics; when to close schools; how to keep gasoline, electricity, food and water supplies running; and how to manage the economic fallout.
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I haven't been a loyal Republican so I know I won't be getting a vaccine shot.

Just another attempt at fear mongering.....with no reputable links to back up the supposed hypothesis.
 

Abraxas

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Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Originally posted by: Feldenak
Originally posted by: dmcowen674
The Day has arrived:

5-1-2006 Bird Flu Found At live Bird Market In New Jersey

Authorities have discovered a mild form of avian influenza at a live bird market in New Jersey, but it is not the deadly H5N1 strain governments around the world are trying to contain, the state's agriculture department said.

"The strain was found in a live bird market in Camden County. None of the birds in the market died from this virus, which is an indicator that the virus was low pathogenic and not harmful to humans," said a statement by New Jersey's Agriculture Secretary Charles Kuperus which was posted on Friday.
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Of course it won't mutate.

Dave, I know you aren't big on reading but did you at least skim over what you posted?

You know 100% sure it will not mutate???
You know 100% for sure that one of the countless strains of the common cold will not mutate into an uber-deadly pathogen that will destroy humanity? We already have a billion strains of virus that could mutate into something lethal at the drop of a hat, worrying about one more because it has "bird" in its name is senseless.

Personally, I'm still waiting to die of SARS.
 

dmcowen674

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Originally posted by: JEDIYoda
Originally posted by: dmcowen674
This has to be God's work, right?

Why would Bush and the Republicans develop a plan that goes against God's wishes???

Many have said the Hurricanes down here was a way God used to cleanse the sin and decadence out.

Well all the recent population control hasn't been enough so get ready for 2 million Americans to be killed:

10-8-2005 U.S. Developing Plan for Flu Pandemic

WASHINGTON - A super-flu could kill up to 1.9 million Americans, according to a draft of the government's plan to fight a worldwide epidemic.

Officials are rewriting that plan to designate not just who cares for the sick but who will keep the country running amid the chaos, said an influenza specialist who is advising the government on those decisions.

"How do you provide food, water ... basic security for the population?" asked Michael Osterholm of the University of Minnesota, a government adviser who has a copy of the draft plan and described it for The Associated Press.

"This is a much more comprehensive view than has previously been detailed," he said in an interview Saturday.

The Bush administration has spent the last year updating its plan for how to fight the next flu pandemic. While it is impossible to say when one will strike, the fear is that the bird flu in Asia could trigger one if it mutates to start spreading easily among people.

If the next pandemic resembles the birdlike 1918 Spanish flu, as many as 1.9 million could die, Osterholm said. Millions more would be ill, overwhelming hospitals.

The government has on hand enough of the anti-flu drug Tamiflu to treat 4.3 million people. Manufacturing of $100 million worth of a bird flu vaccine just began.

Also being considered is the possibility that Tamiflu will not be powerful enough to treat someone already sick, but could protect against illness if given beforehand.

So who would get the 4.3 million doses?

Health and Human Services Secretary Mike Leavitt recently met with Cabinet secretaries to get other federal agencies to determine their role in stemming rioting at vaccine clinics; when to close schools; how to keep gasoline, electricity, food and water supplies running; and how to manage the economic fallout.
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I haven't been a loyal Republican so I know I won't be getting a vaccine shot.

Just another attempt at fear mongering.....with no reputable links to back up the supposed hypothesis.

What are you babbling about, there are links to front page Yahoo News articles.

You have something against Yahoo???
 

Meuge

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STOP THE ****** FEAR-MONGERING.

There IS NO HUMAN-TO-HUMAN form. It's been a couple of weeks since this family became ill, yet nobody else has come down with the disease. Since the incubation period for the flu is about 36-60 hours, depending on the strain, it is safe to say they haven't passed it on to anyone.
 

NeoV

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despite all of the partisan garbage in here, from both sides, the story reported today about the cluster of outbreaks in one family is worth watching

I work in the infectious disease testing industry, our main scientist is part of the CDC's advisory board, and I can tell you they are taking this very seriously...SARS was a curiosity for the CDC, this strain is much higher on their radar than SARS ever was.
 

dmcowen674

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Pretty obvious the mass genocide has begun. :thumbsup:

Human to Human transmission while the birds are not affected.

5-27-2006 WHO puts Tamiflu maker on bird flu alert

KUBU SIMBELANG, Indonesia - The World Health Organization put the maker of the global stockpile of the anti-bird flu drug Tamiflu on alert for the first time after human-to-human transmission was suspected in Indonesia, officials said Saturday.

All five had earlier tested positive for the H5N1 virus in a local laboratory.

Bird flu has now infected 48 people in Indonesia, and 36 of them have died.

The latest confirmed deaths were a 39-year-old man from Jakarta, a 10-year-old girl from West Java and the 32-year-old man in the North Sumatra cluster.

None of the poultry in the village have tested positive for the virus.
 

Meuge

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Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Pretty obvious the mass genocide has begun. :thumbsup:

Human to Human transmission while the birds are not affected.

5-27-2006 WHO puts Tamiflu maker on bird flu alert

KUBU SIMBELANG, Indonesia - The World Health Organization put the maker of the global stockpile of the anti-bird flu drug Tamiflu on alert for the first time after human-to-human transmission was suspected in Indonesia, officials said Saturday.

All five had earlier tested positive for the H5N1 virus in a local laboratory.

Bird flu has now infected 48 people in Indonesia, and 36 of them have died.

The latest confirmed deaths were a 39-year-old man from Jakarta, a 10-year-old girl from West Java and the 32-year-old man in the North Sumatra cluster.

None of the poultry in the village have tested positive for the virus.
Less than 10 people have died in like 3 weeks, thus the "mass genocide" has begun. :roll:

Kinda curious that a virus that has an incubation period of less than 36 hours and one of the lowest ID50 requirements and is now human-to-human transmissible (according to Dave of course), managed to avoid infecting anyone else. It's almost like it wasn't transmitted from human to human at all.

Dave, stop posting this garbage. I swear you should take your righful place next to the same people whom you claim to hate so much, because you're full of just as much ******.
 

dmcowen674

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Originally posted by: Buck_Naked
http://money.cnn.com/2005/10/31/news/newsmakers/fortune_rumsfeld/

Rumsfeld's growing stake in Tamiflu
Defense Secretary, ex-chairman of flu treatment rights holder, sees portfolio value growing.
October 31, 2005: 10:55 AM EST
By Nelson D. Schwartz, Fortune senior writer

NEW YORK (Fortune) - The prospect of a bird flu outbreak may be panicking people around the globe, but it's proving to be very good news for Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld and other politically connected investors in Gilead Sciences, the California biotech company that owns the rights to Tamiflu, the influenza remedy that's now the most-sought after drug in the world.

Rumsfeld served as Gilead (Research)'s chairman from 1997 until he joined the Bush administration in 2001, and he still holds a Gilead stake valued at between $5 million and $25 million, according to federal financial disclosures filed by Rumsfeld.

The forms don't reveal the exact number of shares Rumsfeld owns, but in the past six months fears of a pandemic and the ensuing scramble for Tamiflu have sent Gilead's stock from $35 to $47. That's made the Pentagon chief, already one of the wealthiest members of the Bush cabinet, at least $1 million richer.

Rumsfeld isn't the only political heavyweight benefiting from demand for Tamiflu, which is manufactured and marketed by Swiss pharma giant Roche. (Gilead receives a royalty from Roche equaling about 10% of sales.) Former Secretary of State George Shultz, who is on Gilead's board, has sold more than $7 million worth of Gilead since the beginning of 2005.

Another board member is the wife of former California Gov. Pete Wilson.

"I don't know of any biotech company that's so politically well-connected," says analyst Andrew McDonald of Think Equity Partners in San Francisco.

What's more, the federal government is emerging as one of the world's biggest customers for Tamiflu. In July, the Pentagon ordered $58 million worth of the treatment for U.S. troops around the world, and Congress is considering a multi-billion dollar purchase. Roche expects 2005 sales for Tamiflu to be about $1 billion, compared with $258 million in 2004.

Rumsfeld recused himself from any decisions involving Gilead when he left Gilead and became Secretary of Defense in early 2001. And late last month, notes a senior Pentagon official, Rumsfeld went even further and had the Pentagon's general counsel issue additional instructions outlining what he could and could not be involved in if there were an avian flu pandemic and the Pentagon had to respond.

As the flu issue heated up early this year, according to the Pentagon official, Rumsfeld considered unloading his entire Gilead stake and sought the advice of the Department of Justice, the SEC and the federal Office of Government Ethics.

Those agencies didn't offer an opinion so Rumsfeld consulted a private securities lawyer, who advised him that it was safer to hold on to the stock and be quite public about his recusal rather than sell and run the risk of being accused of trading on insider information, something Rumsfeld doesn't believe he possesses. So he's keeping his shares for the time being.

Wow... Amazing how this administration is profiting from world events...

 

dmcowen674

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6-23-2006 WHO says bird flu virus mutated

JAKARTA, Indonesia - A World Health Organization investigation showed that the H5N1 virus mutated slightly in an Indonesian family cluster on Sumatra island, but bird flu experts insisted Friday it did not increase the possibility of a human pandemic.

The virus that infected eight members of a family last month ? killing seven of them ? appears to have slightly mutated in a 10-year-old boy, who is then suspected of passing the virus to his father, the WHO investigative report said.

It is the first evidence indicating that a person caught the virus from a human and then passed it on to another person, said Tim Uyeki, an epidemiologist from the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. He said the H5N1 virus died with the father and did not pass outside the family.

Schaffner said it is remarkable that scientists were able to discover a mutation that occurred in a remote village in Indonesia. That's the result of intense surveillance linked with "21st-century laboratory virology," he said. "That's awesome."

WHO concluded in its report that human-to-human transmission likely occurred among seven relatives infected with the H5N1 virus.
 
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Quick, seal your house up with plastic so no air can get in!

Please post your date of completion for this task, as well as your address so we can come by and loot the place before your corpses get too rank. :evil:
 

XZeroII

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It has been 2 days now since Dave posted this and I surrounded my house with saran wrap and locked myself inside. I figure that I can hold out a few weeks in here while most of you suckers croak out there. Hopefully by then I'll be able to venture out in a bio-hazard suit and do some looting for more food and supplies.

It's been nice knowing you all. Good luck in the coming days...
 

dmcowen674

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8-14-2006 White House announces Lesser bird flu may be here

WASHINGTON - Scientists have discovered the possible presence of bird flu in the United States ? in wild swans near the banks of Lake Erie ? but it does not appear to be the worrisome strain that the government has long feared.

Routine tests on two seemingly healthy wild mute swans in Michigan suggest they might have the H5N1 virus; confirmatory tests are under way.

The low-pathogenic H5N1 requires monitoring, because it has the potential to mutate into the highly pathogenic form ? the kind that rapidly kills birds, especially poultry.
 

Vic

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USDA says bird flu case no risk to humans

USDA says bird flu case no risk to humans

By Christopher Doering 2 hours, 59 minutes ago

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The bird flu virus has been found in a pair of wild swans in Michigan, but U.S. officials said on Monday the birds have not contracted the deadly H5N1 strain that has spread through birds in Asia, Europe and Africa, killing more than 135 people.

Routine tests conducted in a Michigan gaming area found two of 20 swans have what government officials believe is likely a low-pathogenic strain of H5N1. Confirmatory test results are underway and will be available in about two weeks, but officials stressed there is no threat to human health.

"We can definitely say this is not the H5N1 highly pathogenic virus that's been found in Asia and other parts of the world," said the U.S. Agriculture Department's Ron DeHaven, head of the Animal and Plant Health Inspection Service. "It's not the introduction of that virus into North America."

The swans had shown no sign of sickness and test results indicate this is low pathogenicity avian influenza.

Pathogenicity refers to the ability of the virus to produce a disease. A low-pathogenic strain produces less disease and mortality in birds than does a high-pathogenic version.

Health officials and industry analysts said they do not believe the infected swans came in contact with U.S. commercial poultry.

Shares of Tyson Foods Inc. and Pilgrim's Pride Corp. shrugged off the news as the country's No. 1 and No.2 largest U.S. chicken companies, respectively, were both up at the
New York Stock Exchange.

"This is a nonissue because it is not the bad flu and because it is not in chickens," said Paul Aho, an economist with Poultry Perspective, a consulting firm for the poultry industry.

The National Chicken Council said this showed the monitoring and surveillance program is working and could detect the Asian bird flu strain if it reached the United States.

The low-pathogenic strain of H5N1 has been found before in wild birds in the United States -- in 1975 and 1986. A similar low-pathogenic strain was found in Canada last year. It is common for mild and low pathogenic strains of bird flu to appear in the United States and other countries.

The infected swans were found as part of an increased surveillance program put in place after Congress approved a $29 million request by the Bush administration in December. So far, more than 10,000 wild birds have been tested.

Just last week, the program was expanded beyond Alaska -- targeted because of its close proximity to the Pacific Flyway with Asia -- to the rest of the country.

"We see no cause for public health and medical authorities to take any special actions as a result of this information," said Bill Raub, science advisor to the
Department of Health and Human Services.

The latest H5N1 bird flu strain in Asia, Europe and Africa is known to have killed 138 people and forced hundreds of millions of birds worldwide to be destroyed. It has yet to be found in the United States.

Some experts believe the H5N1 virus could mutate and spread easily from person to person, potentially killing millions.
 

moshquerade

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thanks Vic for clearing up the FUD which started with the title of this thread, and then continued throughout.
 

extra

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Quick! Everyone panic!!!

/rolls a d20 to see why gas prices will rise today.

"oil prices rise today over fears that bird flu could rampantly spread throughout the world and cause a sudden rise in demand. more at 11."
 

dmcowen674

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Here it is, the killer mutation:

10-30-2006 New bird flu strain in China infecting humans and poultry, resistant to vaccine

Scientists have discovered a new strain of bird flu that appears to sidestep current vaccines. It's infecting people as well as poultry in Asia, and some researchers fear its evolution may have been steered by the vaccination programs designed to protect poultry from earlier types of the H5N1 flu.

Public health authorities fear that the virus will mutate into a form that can spread easily among people, raising the potential for a worldwide pandemic like the one that killed millions in 1918.
 

dmcowen674

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12-21-2006 New flu pandemic could kill 81 million

A flu virus as deadly as the one that caused the 1918 Spanish flu could kill as many as 81 million worldwide if it struck today, a new study estimates. By applying historical death rates to modern population data, the researchers calculated a death toll of 51 million to 81 million, with a median estimate of 62 million.

That's surprisingly high, said lead researcher Chris Murray of Harvard University. He did the analysis, in part, because he thought prior claims of 50 million deaths were wildly inflated.

"We expected to end up with a number between 15 and 20 million," Murray said. "It turns out we were wrong."

The new work is published in Saturday's issue of the journal The Lancet.

Despite the tens of millions of deaths the 1918 flu caused, the death rate among those infected was approximately 2 percent. The fatality rate for the H5N1 virus is about 60 percent.
 

Genx87

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I guess it is that time of year for the media to toss out the Sars WestNile Bird Flu Pandemic that is about to hit us.

They are hurting because there wasnt a storm a week to scare us into a frenzy this Fall.

The new work is published in Saturday's issue of the journal The Lancet.

I am curious how this publication has any credibility left? They are constantly throwing out these terribly designed and polled death estimates of 7,000 to 23 million people dead in Iraq. Is it any surprise they are tossing out more fear and hysteria with this report?
 

jrenz

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Originally posted by: Genx87
I guess it is that time of year for the media to toss out the Sars WestNile Bird Flu Pandemic that is about to hit us.

And for Dave to play up the fear mongering in his usual fasion.
 
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